The Estrangement Especially Gets Confusing When Ellie Is Just, Like, Living Her Life. Fully. She Doesn't

The estrangement especially gets confusing when Ellie is just, like, living her life. Fully. She doesn't go out to try and find someone else to use her for a cure, doesn't wallow in a loss of this so-called purpose. She lives and is happy. While being mad that her purpose of existing--dying--was "taken from her." Which could've made for a very interesting complex mix of emotions to explore with her character-wise but they don't so it just makes the estrangement feel forced.

yes!! we shake hands, anon!! I really hope the show explores their estrangement more. because what did it? what was the final straw that made ellie stop trying to be friendly with him? and for her to give up completely on making a cure? did she somehow find out that all the fireflies are gone? and that that group doesn't exist anymore? cause that's established in the second game - the fireflies don't exist anymore (except underground) and that's started other groups to pop up. we know ellie knew he was lying through his teeth, but what made her give up completely? she thought that was her life's purpose. and then she tried once, joel lied to her, and that's it? you're not trying again? I wonder if it's because she went through So Much the first time, that she just didn't want to go through it again. especially cause all that happened with another person. she probably didn't want to do it solo, but if she made joel go with her again, would he do the same thing? would he let them get to the hospital just to take her back to jackson? cause that's what it looked like for ellie. she got to the hospital with him, was knocked out, then woke up in the backseat of a car with him. she's not aware, fully, of what happened and then joel just isn't telling her? I think in the game, she was able to figure it out? a little bit, right? cause she went back to the hospital and found a recorder; did she find all the bodies? I don't remember, gonna have to watch a playthrough again (aw, shucks /sarc)

once again thinking about "everyone I have ever cared for has either died or left me. everyone - fucking except for you"

oh we also have deltarune now too, so its a question between 3 games actually

having finished undertale, the brain goblins are demanding the last of us now

been thinking about this more, and she moved out immediately, didn't she? cause when the second game started, she was about 14 or 15 when joel had come back with tommy, right? so it had to have been immediate. that hurts, man. I wonder if she was thinking about that on the way back from the hospital :( like, we obviously don't know how immediate it was, so it could've been immediately after getting back :( if she did it to get some space from joel, she could've had tommy help her make the garage live-able, though. again, he did construction, he could've helped fix it up instead of joel. I keep forgetting how quickly she moved out/in, I keep thinking it was around 18/19 and that one makes sense. she probably wants to feel like a normal kid, so moving out around that age would make sense. but she didn't. she moved out at like 15? I think it was just to get away from joel :(

This is a little random but what are your thoughts about Ellie living in Joel’s garage and not in the house with him?

you're good!

and mmmmm I have Many A Thought. it makes sense for her to move out to that garage so she can be more independent / kinda get away from joel / get some soace from him, but the fact it's not finished is what deals me in :( like, joel is a contractor, he could've fixed it! that is your daughter, sir! fix it! please! I think that's really my biggest thing about it, like, it makes sense (and the fact joel can see when she gets home from one of the windows in his house? more devastation), but it is not finished. we know jackson can do construction-y things, I'm sure that could've been dealt with, y'know?

if you're bad at something when you're first starting out, just know your younger self is trying to help you :) they want to join! it looks fun! (you're doing great)

one of my friends just said the last of us was my "little special show." nobody hit me up, I will be inconsolable for the next 24 hours