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Could you specify what exactly you mean by that? Like what exactly do you think will cause an issue when adults and minors interact?

I mean there are the obvious stuff like discussing detailed NSFW acts with minors and NSFW about the minors themselves. Which shouldn't be done.

But I don't think talking about people's experiences within NSFW spaces is inherently a bad thing as long as you're not talking about their private sexual life? If it's spoken about with respecting language and all it's even similar to sex-ed in my opinion. Which is meant to prevent people especially minors from being (for example) groomed because they can tell the signs.

So I guess what I'm saying is people talking about these topics doesn't inherently create an NSFW space? Like I don't think telling a minor "hey be careful reblogging art like [X] because it is actually a fetish piece and you're inserting yourself in adult spaces" creates a sexual environment, despite being a talk about NSFW content experiences somewhat. Actually I can think of a blog that does this while not being inappropriate. And this can be applied to anti vs proship discussions as long as it's well-monitored.

Unless there is something I'm missing?

I think my oddness with the proship/antiship minors is that they often bring up the nsfw content in communities. Many social media platforms have made it so those under the age of 18 are private or are unable to access mature content. Not to mention that most adults in fan base communities are uncomfortable with engaging with minors in an nsfw setting. So, when proship discussions take a hard turn into nsfw discussions, it’s hard to keep everyone in a safe environment. With their being so many minors in the proship community, how do I also learn about their experiences while also keeping the adults comfortable when it takes that inevitable turn?

Literally no proshipper who isn't actually an abuser using an online community would ever say these things. These are just your bad faith mocking interpretations of actual statements.

Celebrities have every right to feel uncomfortable with 'violent incest porn.' That's why the people who write it do, and should do, their best to ensure that it never leaves fandom spaces. With any RPF there's a general rule of not directly involving the people it pertains to. So for example; writing RPF on AO3, where the celebrity would actively have to look for it to find it. We already have statements from multiple celebrities recognising that content exists, but also that it exists within certain spaces and the celebrities voluntarily stay out of those spaces.

Minors having sexual fantasies is literally part of sexually maturing. The difference is that no adult should be personally, physically involved in these. Every single person with the capacity to has had sexual fantasies as they approach or go through puberty and learn more about sex. As a thirteen year old I used to have fantasies about Big Time Rush. As an adult I now have fantasies about aliens and monsters and fictional men and famous people who don't even know I exist. Its normal. Thoughts are normal. The only actual concern is when minors announce them in public spaces where adults are present or when adults try to engage with minors about their thoughts and fantasies. Literally any psychologist will tell you that its both normal and healthy for minors to have sexually-oriented thoughts and curiosity.

I would absolutely, without question, rather that a person writes porn on a fanfiction website than that person trying to make actual contact with a minor or creates that content in spaces less equipped to ensure the minor does not see it. For example; if someone writes it on AO3, the minor physically has to go looking for it. If someone writes it on Twitter, there are next to no functions that properly separate that content from the minor. Again, that minor has every single personal right to feel uncomfortable with the concept of that content existing. But it will always exist, and its both better and safer for it to be given separate spaces to exist than for it to just float about in the wild. If that minor is a public presence, the adults in their life need to take on better responsibility for safeguarding them.

People like you will make posts like yours and also think you're in the right.

And you have the right to think that. But it doesn't mean you are.

Proshippers will be like:

"yeah it makes celebrities uncomfortable that people write extremely violent porn of them and their relatives but that doesn't mean it hurts them 🥺 sexual fantasies are good for minors even when it's grooming/incest fetish content 🥺 you're such a puritan 😡 if the real life minors people are writing porn of are uncomfortable then they should just get over it 😡 it doesn't hurt them 😡"

And genuinely think they're in the right

CW : Explicit Sexual Conversations with Minors

Chipspeech and TF2 fandom be careful of @xxcherenkov-gremlinxx because of her repeated explicit sexual conversations with minors.

Her behaviour is beyond uncomfortable, her, and people like her, put minors at risk and normalise the idea that it's ok for adults to talk about their kinks with minors.

While I and others involved have no belief she was or is intentionally grooming minors, she's still old enough to know better.

24 years old is too old to claim ignorance, you are old enough to understand this is wrong. Some of these people were/are under sixteen.

Mavis is active in both the TF2 community and the Chipspeech fandom, however this all occurred in a TF2 server.

"Why did you wait so long to make this?" I did not know it was happening there until today, I was looking for a cover of something in the server and fell down a rabbit hole.

Be warned this talks about a lot of adult content.

While the server owner wishes for everything to remain anonymous, I have made sure to check ages of those involved. Only one person had no indication of age at all. I have also color coded the screenshots, each color represents a person.

Incident one ⬆️

Incident 2 ⬆️

Incident 2 ⬆️