Feeling Extra Messy Today So Another Rant

Feeling extra messy today so another rant

But like. U don’t have to like wincest but what do u mean “why is it so common”???

Did we not watch the same show?? Wincest is possibly the spn ship with the MOST subtext. I don’t rlly feel the need to even name all the reasons wincest makes sense cuz they’re so obvious and naming them all would take a while and that’s not rlly the point of this post.

Also why r u acting like wincest is a plague or invasive species in the spn fandom. Like the spn fandom was BUILT on wincest. It makes sense that a prominent part of the fandom are wincest shippers.

It’s like going to the ocean and seeing a sign warning of sharks and being like “aw:( why do sharks have to ruin the beach I just wanna swim” as if sharks aren’t an important and natural part of the ocean ecosystem. Like that’s their HOME. They’ve been here longer than YOU (the you is destiel shippers in this fuck ass analogy) if u don’t wanna risk being around sharks at the ocean you can go to a pool or lake (other fandoms) and if ur adamant on the ocean remember sharks aren’t bloodthirsty and horrible like they are in movies, and if you stay away from ocean areas that are prominent with sharks you should be ok. And even if you come across a shark on a beach that usually dosent have sharks don’t panic! You can get out of the water. Sharks won’t attack you unless you antagonize them.

Did that analogy make sense?? Probs not but fuck it we ball

Just. Tired of ppl acting like shipping fictional incest is the worst possible thing in fandom.

Yessss but also think about it

Can you imagine all the lives that could be saved just by conspiracy theorists and social media influencers and teenage trend followers who start salting their doors and windows, getting anti-possession tattoos, carving protection symbols into their desks at school?

Watching it spread to the wider population as graffiti artists and taggers start picking up the symbology and spraying it in subway tunnels and graveyards, abandoned buildings, community lots?

As YouTube crafters go viral with cutesy little make-your-own protective hex bags to hand out at Halloween instead of candy (bonus: you'll finally have something to make with that teetering pile of fabric remnants!) and Etsy sellers start pumping out pieces of pure silver jewellery to identify skinwalkers and werewolves (they won't suspect a thing!), and small metalworks businesses ride the trend by designing wrought iron wall-hangings and custom pieces for gardens to ward off witches and fairies?

Ah! The possibilities!

Ignoring for a moment the potential to be caught as a murderer or arrested for frequent impersonation of federal agents, more hunters in the future could probably turn to vlogging and days in the life (both to educate other hunters and drum up funds) and it would be consumed and dismissed by the general public as an elaborate found footage gimmick.

Just throwing some thoughts on the pile.

Are we using 'problematic ship' as longhand for proship? Because if we are, or if anyone in these threads is, please know that's not what proship stands for. Proship is just 'pro', as if 'for', shipping. As in, 'in support of shipping'. It's another version of Ship And Let Ship. You enjoy your thing and let other people enjoy theirs.

I don't know if this is a fandom-generation thing, but as far as I've ever seen and known and used the term from back in early 2000s, 'shipping' has always been a way to refer to pairing characters sexually or romantically (neither of which has ever excluded general interest/fascination/exploration of other themes involving the pair, for the record. All of that can be explored within the scope of sex and romance. But if they're explored exclusive of it, it wouldn't quite be considered shipping to me). If that's evolved over time, then so be it, but taking everything the previous posters said into account, I have to wonder if it could also be a response to the anti movement, where reasonable people are (subconsciously or otherwise) distancing themselves from the traditional meaning of the word so as to avoid the ire of the roving anti brigade.

Regarding the point that antis have started using 'shipping' to mean 'want to see in canon', that tracks with what I've been noticing lately. In SPN fandom, there's this bizarre need among hellers to insist to all and sundry (despite lack of actual evidence) that their ship is canon, and demand confirmation from involved parties (actors, writers, etc.) that it is so (despite repeated denials from all but one, who's a known attention-seeking shit-stirrer) as if their ship is somehow invalidated or disallowed if it's not, which explains why they're so rabid about it. They seem not to understand that shipping has nothing to do with canon (although you can ship canon relationships, of course). It's purely a fanonical venture and that's fine. That's good. It's allowed. It's expected. It's been done since the very beginning of fandom, and you hold no moral superiority over another based on whether your ship goes canon or not.

I guess that's the bit that mystifies me the most. We're all in here watching our dumb little shows for our dumb little blorbos. They often have weird, extreme, gross or, yes, problematic themes or behaviours exemplified within them. That's what makes them interesting, for crying out loud. We like them anyway, antis included.

So quit trying to make it a morality contest.

Although I mean, let's be honest, you lost the first time you told someone to be less alive about it.

i think what’s generally more acceptable now isn’t shipping problematic ships. it’s shipping “problematic” ships the way an anti would, meaning you are only meant to focus on how abusive, horrible, unhealthy something is. you are not allowed to have empathy for the characters or discuss the LOVE involved at all to the point where a lot of complex relationships get flattened and shipping gets reduced to "analyzing the abuse”, making it so that no one’s allowed to find beauty in dark content at all.

The Paternal Trifecta | Sam Winchester [x.] [Dean version]

dean bit him.

sorry to whoever made the wrong version of this for plagiarizing but fixing it was soothing to my soul