This Is So Gorgeous. I Want One, But Do Probably Not Want To Pay For That One.

This is so gorgeous. I want one, but do probably not want to pay for that one.

But to be fair I already have a few including this one (and the matching earrings), a wonderful gift from by finace.

But this is more Euron Style.

Chainmail Octopus Headpiece by Vanessa Walilko, made by connecting over 12,000 rings by hand

I just remembered everybody being dissapointed with Best Jeanist being alive because it ment that Hawks didn’t sacrifice him and that made Hawks ark more boring.

Besides the fact that he just murdered Twice by literally backstabbing him, after claiming he wanted to help him and we can clearly see Hawks beeing deeply flawed if helping to him means: the way he wants to help and only the way he wants to help.

But also later when we see Hawks and Jeanist interact we see that Hawks wants to be like Twice, he wants to be such a good person like Twice was, which is deeply disturbing. He just killed the man he himself sais he aspires to be like.

Because he didn’t want to capture him, because Twice didn’t want Hawks screwed up version of help.

And Beast Jeanist is part of this whole scam to get behind the PLF and the Commisson would not have gained anything if Hawks actually killed him. The commisson might sacrifice people, but their current no 3 top hero? He’s too valuable for that and he was currently not in his best state anyways, so the solution to use him for the scam is actually very logical and it gives us a lot about his character.

Jeanist is willing to spend months in a coma for the commission, showing how deep he is in the system and how deeply flawed the lone fact that the commission and Hawks came up with this is. But he doesn’t even realize this.

You can see this on one side as a heroic act, of giving so much to make sure a dangerous organization is being monitored and lastly defeated but on the other end it is complelty horrifying that the no 2 pro hero suggests that someone should go through dangerous medical treatments to do this.

And Jeanist doesn’t even seem to see it that way because he is just too caught up in the system to come up with the fact that no one should ever ask you for something like this.

Just like they should not let a bunch of teenagers fighting a group of terrorists, which by the hero commission the PLF are. Just like Endevour should not get away for abusing his family. Just like Hawks should be accountable for Twice murder.

I think of all the big 3 Jeanist is the best example of someone who so far hasn’t actually commited any crime (I am not counting the suffocation right now, because he could have let loose, we just don’t know if he would have) and got away with it, but he still defends and supports those who do. He is so deep in the system he doesn’t even realize that he is part of the problem and he is a great example of:

“You are not outside the problem. You are not objective.“

“If you’re part of the system, you’re part of the problem.“

@diva35801 @watersho3s Please reblog if you want answer just for practicality, it makes things easier to read and discuss. Because I’d love to see different view points of this. So @diva35801 you said: We gotta stop seeing microaggressions as anything less than what they are. We don't touch people without permission. When dollar store Cap touched Ago, it was an act of aggression. He did so because of his perceived position of power. He got exactly what he deserved. Let's also note that being bested by women (Black no less) were what pushed him over the edge. What does that say? 

And @watersho3s You added: exactly!!!! People forget all the bs the Wakandans have dealt with. The fact that Zemo (a terrorist) was allowed to serve time in prison instead of paying with his life was already more than generous. They also help Bucky, a killing machine that could have been activated at any time who also worked for a white supremacist organization. He is sheltered and treated in their country, as a favor for a man that opposed the same legislation that their country supported. Even after decades

Of having their most valued natural resources stolen, they freely give this same person a new prosthetic/weapon of the same material. He uses his freedom, which they helped him achieve, to free the man who ended up destabilizing their country. AND THEN THEY GAVE HIM 8 HOURS TO RETURN HIM TO CAPTIVITY (this is compromise #2). Zemo’s crime was against Wakanda, primarily, so they were right to try taking him into custody. The Dora Milaje, as non-super powered guards to a king, have diplomatic 

Immunity. Everyone else, does not; including Walker. As soldiers in the US military, Walker and Hoskins would be very aware that touching a armed force member of another country is considered engagement, when you don’t have permission; this should go doubly since they are also opposing each other.

Anyways, Bucky took up arms against the Dora Milaje, stopping them from putting away the terrorist that killed their King and destabilized their country, and they rightfully stopped him. 

And I’d like to answer to that. @diva35801

You did not in any way contridict anything I said by mentioning Walkers micro agressions, that is completly correct, but I suppose I didn’t make it clear enough. It was touching without permission and it was an act of agression and he did it to showcase power. BUT the spear throw before that came unprovoced at HIM. If the spear was thrown at Bucky or Zemo that would have been different, but the DM and Walker had zero interactions with each other before this and they just threw a spear at him. I don’t like Walker either, but he wasn’t the one that escalated the fight. Ayo could have just pushed him back or even if she did fight him they tried to spear both Walker and Hoskins (who they had even less reason to fight, because the only thing he did in the whole scene was helping his friend and getting instantly his ass beaten). And they came down with the spear when both were on the ground already.

Did Walker deserve his ass beaten? Sure. Does he have underlying issues of sexism and racism? Absolutly. But that wasn’t what this discussion was about, it was about Bucky and Ayo and not Captain Fakemericas issues that led to this fight. I only put it in it make it clear that no act of aggression came from Bucky in this scene but from Walker and the way Ayo handled the situation with him.

If this wasn’t Walker but some character we liked we wouldn’t be like: well for putting his arm in a condescending way on her should without her permission he deserves to get scewered. I am not saying that Ayo does have no reason to beat his ass, but to kill/seriously injure? Definitly not. And again that first spear throw was completly unprovoked by Walker. @watersho3s

I thought I made it clear that Ayo and the DM were completly within their right to come for Zemo and take him and Ayo agreed to the 8 hours, after which they came to take him, but apperently that wasn’t the case. But you are absolulty correct with the reasoning behind that and everything, I just didn’t bother writing down Wakandas recent history because I figured that it was obvious that the DM are right by wanting Zemo back imprisoned. Sam and Bucky told Walker they weren’t going to hand Zemo over to him but they never said anthing to the DM about not handing Zemo over to them. They probably wanted to keep him and discuss this, which isn’t ok after Ayo already agreed to letting them keep Zemo for now, but again the DM did not know about this.

So I couldn’t find anything right away about the thoughts on death pentality in Wakanda, but T’challa himself let Zemo live and be imprisoned. Not some American white guy out of nowhere, but their king whose wishes they surely accept even if they probably do not like them whatsoever.

I am not sure why you said: “this same person” when it came to stolen Vibranium, because while both the Vibranium of the shield and the original arm got stolen it wasn’t Bucky that was part of either of that (neither was Walker, who definitly does not get the issue behind that anyways). Bucky had a perfectly fine arm until Hyrda cut it off and gave him the Vibranium arm. And neither is Bucky at fault for getting brainwashed from Hydra or had anything to do with T’Chaka’s death other than being Zemos scape goat.

And as I already said in my original post: the DM have every right and reason to take Zemo. That wasn’t even up for discussion for every reason you mentioned.

And diplomatic immunity gives you right to free passage and makes you not suspectible for lawsuits and prosecution but it doesn’t make you in charge where you are.

My militariy knowledge about touching armed forces from another country are not good enough to deny or agree to the laws about that and I couldn’t find anything about it, so I’m just going to believe you because it sounds very reasonable (but if you’ve got a source, I’d love to know, I am interested in this) to push Walker back on those grounds, but not to try to kill/seriously injure Hoskins, who had to be saved by Sam and only engaged in Combat AFTER the DM started fighting physically.

“Anyways, Bucky took up arms against the Dora Milaje, stopping them from putting away the terrorist that killed their King and destabilized their country, and they rightfully stopped him. “ So this is where my whole issue about my op comes up.

-Bucky did nothing but defend himself and Walker (after Sam told him to)

-They have every right to put Zemo away.

-Bucky did not stop them from putting Zemo away from their perspective. They came, wanted Zemo, Walker made a mess and Zemo escaped, none of that was Buckys involvement.

-They rightfully stopped him

-> This is exactly what my op was about: he didn’t need to be stopped because he didn’t attack. Walker attacked verbally and touched Ayo, the DM threw a spear at Walker and tried to kill/main Walker and Hoskins and then Bucky and Sam went in to stop that. Both didn’t attack the DM and Bucky in his fight with Ayo used nothing but self defense. Stopping to attack Bucky would have stopped Bucky from that.

That dis-arm-ing discussion

Just a quick reminder of what actually happend in TFATWS Episde 4 before you jump to conclusions. The following thing happend:

-Ayo and Bucky made a deal, Bucky has 8 hours until they have to hand over Zemo, they both agreed to said deal. -Walker invites himself over and demands Zemo. He’s willing to talk about it and puts the shield down. -Right then one of the Dora Milaje throws a spear towards Walker, who they have no buisness with in the first place and that could have killed Walker. -Ayo rightfully demands Zemo back. -Walker demands they disarm and talk about this, Sam a little more sensible interveens. -Walker starts the whole discussion about who’s jurisdiction this is and Ayo says the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction whereever they are. -Walker with his very offputting way does this ment to be friendly hand to shoulder move and is still talking about having a rough start when Ayo attacks him. And not just slightly push him back or take his hand of, she straight up attacks him and throws him around. -The fight between Walker, Hoskins and the Dora Milaje starts and the other 3 do not inverveen at the beginning. -Bucky only gets involved after Sam asks him to and then he uses his vibranium arm to stop the spear that Ayo was about to put into Walker. She either tried to kill or seriously injure him in a fight she started with him. -Bucky uses his flesh arm to stop Ayo from attacking him and asks her to talk about this.

-Hoskins gets his ass beaten by the DM and Sam only gets in after one of them tries to spear Hoskins and Sam not once attacks the DM, only defends himself against her attacks.

-Zemo being smart uses this to get away.

-One DM traps Walker and stops him from fighting.

-Bucky and Ayos fight consists only of him blocking with his vibranium arm against her vibranium weapon and using no super strenght to attack her. And then she disables his arm. My thoughts about it are under the cut:

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That dis-arm-ing discussion

Just a quick reminder of what actually happend in TFATWS Episde 4 before you jump to conclusions. The following thing happend:

-Ayo and Bucky made a deal, Bucky has 8 hours until they have to hand over Zemo, they both agreed to said deal. -Walker invites himself over and demands Zemo. He’s willing to talk about it and puts the shield down. -Right then one of the Dora Milaje throws a spear towards Walker, who they have no buisness with in the first place and that could have killed Walker. -Ayo rightfully demands Zemo back. -Walker demands they disarm and talk about this, Sam a little more sensible interveens. -Walker starts the whole discussion about who’s jurisdiction this is and Ayo says the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction whereever they are. -Walker with his very offputting way does this ment to be friendly hand to shoulder move and is still talking about having a rough start when Ayo attacks him. And not just slightly push him back or take his hand of, she straight up attacks him and throws him around. -The fight between Walker, Hoskins and the Dora Milaje starts and the other 3 do not inverveen at the beginning. -Bucky only gets involved after Sam asks him to and then he uses his vibranium arm to stop the spear that Ayo was about to put into Walker. She either tried to kill or seriously injure him in a fight she started with him. -Bucky uses his flesh arm to stop Ayo from attacking him and asks her to talk about this.

-Hoskins gets his ass beaten by the DM and Sam only gets in after one of them tries to spear Hoskins and Sam not once attacks the DM, only defends himself against her attacks.

-Zemo being smart uses this to get away.

-One DM traps Walker and stops him from fighting.

-Bucky and Ayos fight consists only of him blocking with his vibranium arm against her vibranium weapon and using no super strenght to attack her. And then she disables his arm. My thoughts about it are under the cut:

-The eascalation did come from Ayo and the DM, who attacked Walker twice! He was being an ass as usual, but it did not deserve such a strong attack and definitly not the first speer throw at the beginning, when they only came to take Zemo and had nothing to do with Walker whatsoever (they didn’t even know that Walker wanted Zemo too).

-Also they tried to either kill or seriously injure both Walker and Hoskins (who only got involved after they attacked Walker). -All of them are not in their actual countries jurisdiction, which Walker already saw in Episode 2, but apperently no one told the Dora Milaje.

-Walker is still an ass, who acts like he’s in charage and thinks that people should listen to him, which does not help any situation he’s in.

-Buckys arm can be used as a weapon to attack people, but aside from being very hard to destroy we have seen no evidence that it is stronger than his flesh arm.

-Not telling Bucky about the arm is understandable to a degree, but it shows nonetheless that they have no trust in him about this information.

-There are a lot of practical reasons for the arm to be detachable, but if that was the sole reason it was detachable they could have just told him.

-The fact that Bucky did not know about it just shows that they did install it as a failswitch to stop him if needs be. -This happend AFTER they broke his coding. So either they weren’t sure it worked, were afraid someone might control him again with something else (but then who stops any other person from being mind conrolled with super powers) or they simply do not trust Bucky himself. -Bucky definitly thinks that they do not trust him and that Ayo, who he has a history with does not trust him, because she disabled the arm.

- Bucky has a history of not having control over his body, which Ayo knew very well about. The history of those two is literally Ayo training with Bucky to break his control, meaning he trusts her with complete control over his body. And Ayo took control over his body in a moment where it was not necessairy whatsoever.

-Ayo was the one that told Bucky he was free and she was the one that showed he technically wasn’t by controlling part of his body when she could.

-Bucky did not use his arm as a weapon in this fight even once, he only used it as a defense against the vibranium spears, so Ayo had to reason to disarm him like that. Once the Walker situation was handled (a situation Ayo escalated) she could have just stopped attacking and Bucky would have stopped, he did not want to fight her.

-Ayo literally had no reason to disarm him in this situation. There is no discussion necessairy about taking his weapon away because he never used it as one against her in the first place. -He didn’t even use his super strenght against her, he made it clear he did not want to fight her and she kept attacking.

I think scrubbing wasn’t mycintital take on the comission, more of a whenever we see - we delete thing, but after I re-read some chapters, you are right it is unlikely. But because it is a video of someone getting killed social media will most likely delete it right away anyways, so you could still find it, but not without searching and because of your mentioned naivete from Deku he’d believe Hawks words on it.

He was in the hospital for a while and a comatose state for a bit, which would have given the social medias time to take down most of that, which would have left sides that allow murder clips on going and I don’t think Deku would use those wihout rason.

And as you mentioned Deku has Hawks words on this and believes them, so he has no reason to look it up. And I thought of this Jeanist moment:

This is obviously about Toya/Dabi, but we can see the mindset of someone in the system and an adult, not a 16 year old, where a bit naivete is normal.

The way Jeanist obviously doesn’t get the connecting between Dabi saying he was horribly abused and Toya becoming Dabi a man who wants the hero society gone because heros get away with everything because he is so deep into the system it doesn’t even seem an option is a mindset after both living and working in the system.

Which i think is also Dekus sort of reaction of:” this can’t be it. Hawks had to have a good reason to kill Twice. He probably was that dangerous to be left no other option for Hawks. He probably tried his best, but then Dabi attacked him. Yada yada yada.”

Okay but really, this here? This seems like such a weird development for Izuku considering the new direction his character is headed.

And I’m mostly not even talking about Endeavor this time; because as troublesome as it is that heroes keep helping him instead of holding him accountable for any of the things he’s done, we’ve no reason to think he’d do anything that bad right now besides maybe not go along with Deku’s villain saving plan. Plus they have already worked together before so this isn’t surprising.

No; I’m talking about Deku, who is trying to reason with/save notorious villain Shigaraki and specifically not kill him, working with notorious villain killer Hawks, a man who in all possibility (and if he has his quirk back by then) would go for the kill against Shigaraki without hesitation.

(Or possibly worse, threaten Shigaraki’s life to surrender and go to jail for life & then immediately going for the kill when he refuses; thus allowing his fans to claim “see, he doesn’t want to be saved so he needs to die” as though not responding to threats against your life is equivalent to not wanting to better yourself.)

That’s just seems like supremely bad planning on his part, and really highlights to me how he still doesn’t really seem to think heroes and the society they represent can do any wrong. I guess in retrospect that major character flaw of his, the toxic hero worship, hasn’t really been addressed at all yet, has it?

I think his planning here is mostly based on the escapees causing chaos all over the country and the heros being to preoccupied with them (and on top of that with the chaos Dabi caused) to actually search for him right now. And AFO isn’t that much of a teamplayer, he uses people like chess pieces and throws them away if he doesn’t need them (he even left Maschia behind one of his own most loyal). But it does say a lof about him. Tomura is a real leader and a pretty good one when it comes to being compassinate with the LoV who support each other. That is a huge strenght on the battlefield something AFO doesn’t seem to understand, considering he left both Compress and Toga behind as a punishment for Tomura, because as I said: he doesn’t see people, he sees chess pieces and they can be replaced.

That being said: it does make him way easier to fight if you mange to find and outnumber him. But it does rely on enough strong fighers to find him, fight him and him not knowing about it. Since he took the search quirk he has a huge advantage on sneek attacks, you’d need an unknown attacker, strong enough to take him on for him to get a supprise attack now. 

Overall I think it is mostly his own issue regarding himself and viewing others as both chess pieces and below him. He’s underestimating the strenght a strong group has, because he is incredibly powerful ans doesn’t rely on them. That is in stark contrast with both Tomura and Deku who value their friends and teammates and know to use resources to become stronger in a fight. But AFO lacks the understanding of use in loyalty, which is funny considering he has Maschia, but I doubt that AFO sees him as anthing more than a guard dog.

You know it’s things like this why I say I can’t take AFO seriously as an endgame threat. Not only did he lose one army, he then gained another (much smaller but debatably more dangerous) army, only to then apparently tell them to screw off and do crime stuff.

Like, you bald fool, you are fighting against a country and you have maybe 3 or 4 men and some Nomu. You had more men & Nomu at the end of the Jaku battle, wherein you ran away from around 12 heroes. Why do you keep throwing away your resources? Do you even have an endgame plan, and if so, what could that plan possibly be that would be better than either the PLF or the prison escapees?