Oh We Also Have Deltarune Now Too, So Its A Question Between 3 Games Actually

oh we also have deltarune now too, so its a question between 3 games actually

having finished undertale, the brain goblins are demanding the last of us now

What are your thoughts about Joel and Ellie’s estrangement in part 2?

I'm so glad you ask!

I actually have many thoughts about it. I totally get why ellie would ignore joel for that. she feels as though her life is only important because she's immune, so him taking away her choice to save the world is the biggest betrayal to her. and then him lying to her about it? just makes it worse, honestly. she basically put her life in joel's hands, and yeah, he did save her, but that wasn't what she wanted. that's not what she thought her life was meant for. she was willing to die for that, but joel took that choice away from her. and then when she asked about it, he just lies? she very clearly knew he was lying to her, but she had nowhere else to go (among other reasons), so she stayed with him.

so, knowing why she's mad at him, I can't see her being mad at him for 2+ years? like, yes, he did betray her trust and took away what she thought she was meant for, but 2 years? after he told her about sarah? and after he told her about his attempt? I know the latter was more in the show, but it was implied in the game. I just can't see her being mad for 2 years. yes, ignore him, make him feel bad for what he did. but that's your father figure? that's the person you traveled the country with? I know it was for the cure and then the cure never happened, but I'm sure ellie saw where he was coming from. she had to of. they got pretty close traveling the country. she had to have realized he barely survived losing his first daughter, and that he wouldn't have survived the second. especially when it was all on a whim??? marlene said the doctors THOUGHT that taking her brain would be the cure. that's not definitive. that's a possibility. so, if joel didn't kill the doctor and didn't save ellie, there's no reason to believe it would've equaled the cure. and I'm sure he could've explained that to her, but no, he wanted to protect her from the truth. which I can kind of get, but she thought the cure was her life's purpose and then you won't even explain what actually happened?

I can totally see where ellie's coming from, but if they just SAT DOWN and had a conversation, maybe it would've been okay. cause I do think, after time (not 2 years worth), she would've been able to see where he was coming from. yes, she probably would've resented him after finding out the truth, but she would've understood. at least a little bit, I think.

so long explanation short, I get why they drifted but I don't enjoy it. I don't think it was worth like 2 years of drifting when ellie probably would've understood if joel had just told her what happened

It honestly all just feels like lazy writing. They wanted to make Joel's death as tragic and sad as possible so they had the two be estranged and not reconcile to really punch you in the gut. But it falls flat for me because I'm so busy being confused as to why it happened the way it did to fully feel the emotions they wanted us to.

yeah, I can see where you're coming from!

could you imagine how much more that scene would've hurt if they were talking, though? like, it already destroyed us, but I imagine it would've been even more gut wrenching if they were talking.

I feel like the second game did a lot of things for shock value, but after a certain point, it was just repetitive. like, the constant death. as ellie, it just feels like you're killing people to progress the plot - because you are - but as abby, there is just so. much. death. and killing jesse?? that one hurt. but also all the pregnancy? seemed a bit repetitive, too. the zebra was fine, I think. but it seemed like a cycle of oh, this person's pregnant or oh, this person's gonna die. or both. sorry, mel. after a certain point, it just felt bland, you know? I'm sure there's a reason for it. you know, symbolism purposes, but I haven't figured that out yet. other than rebirth and the brutality of death, but I imagine there's more to it than that.

his death definitely was incredibly tragic and sad, though. it did not need to be that brutal. and also could a conversation not have cut that? abby was mad and seeking revenge for 4 years, she didn't ever stop to think about how she would just be passing that same grief? she wasn't there for her dad's death, but ellie was there for joel's. ellie was able to stop after a certain point and realize it would be a constant cycle of death and grief (yes, a bit late, but she realized it none the less) and the game didn't last those 4 years. it was maybe a year? maybe a year and a half. so you're telling me abby never once realized that maybe it was too much? I get that grief changes a person, but she had to have realized it at some point, right?

once again thinking about "everyone I have ever cared for has either died or left me. everyone - fucking except for you"

something about joel being mad at ellie (for saving his ass????) yet still grabbing comics for her :( he loves her so much D:

doesn’t sound very faithful to me