It Honestly All Just Feels Like Lazy Writing. They Wanted To Make Joel's Death As Tragic And Sad As Possible

It honestly all just feels like lazy writing. They wanted to make Joel's death as tragic and sad as possible so they had the two be estranged and not reconcile to really punch you in the gut. But it falls flat for me because I'm so busy being confused as to why it happened the way it did to fully feel the emotions they wanted us to.

yeah, I can see where you're coming from!

could you imagine how much more that scene would've hurt if they were talking, though? like, it already destroyed us, but I imagine it would've been even more gut wrenching if they were talking.

I feel like the second game did a lot of things for shock value, but after a certain point, it was just repetitive. like, the constant death. as ellie, it just feels like you're killing people to progress the plot - because you are - but as abby, there is just so. much. death. and killing jesse?? that one hurt. but also all the pregnancy? seemed a bit repetitive, too. the zebra was fine, I think. but it seemed like a cycle of oh, this person's pregnant or oh, this person's gonna die. or both. sorry, mel. after a certain point, it just felt bland, you know? I'm sure there's a reason for it. you know, symbolism purposes, but I haven't figured that out yet. other than rebirth and the brutality of death, but I imagine there's more to it than that.

his death definitely was incredibly tragic and sad, though. it did not need to be that brutal. and also could a conversation not have cut that? abby was mad and seeking revenge for 4 years, she didn't ever stop to think about how she would just be passing that same grief? she wasn't there for her dad's death, but ellie was there for joel's. ellie was able to stop after a certain point and realize it would be a constant cycle of death and grief (yes, a bit late, but she realized it none the less) and the game didn't last those 4 years. it was maybe a year? maybe a year and a half. so you're telling me abby never once realized that maybe it was too much? I get that grief changes a person, but she had to have realized it at some point, right?

This is a little random but what are your thoughts about Ellie living in Joel’s garage and not in the house with him?

you're good!

and mmmmm I have Many A Thought. it makes sense for her to move out to that garage so she can be more independent / kinda get away from joel / get some soace from him, but the fact it's not finished is what deals me in :( like, joel is a contractor, he could've fixed it! that is your daughter, sir! fix it! please! I think that's really my biggest thing about it, like, it makes sense (and the fact joel can see when she gets home from one of the windows in his house? more devastation), but it is not finished. we know jackson can do construction-y things, I'm sure that could've been dealt with, y'know?

“everyone I have ever cared for has either died or left me. everyone - fucking except for you"

All she ever wanted was for someone to care about her??? And then you mean to tell me she cut him off for two years??? If the bar scene hadn’t of happened would she of ever talked to him again???

EXACTLY!!! she just wanted someone to care for her and then for her to ignore joel for 2+ years??? doesn't line up for me. if the bar scene didn't happen, I seriously doubt she would've talked to joel again. if we act like the golfing didn't happen, maybe a few years down the line, they would've talked. but I doubt they ever would've been as close as they were in the first game. and the conversation would've been incredibly strained.

was talking to someone about it and I really hope they change it for the second season. show ellie and game ellie are two different people to me. show ellie loves joel and actively wants a father figure. I mean, look at how affectionate she was from the start, when joel wanted absolutely nothing to do with her. show joel and ellie just seem to be closer. I.e. it wasn't time that did it. I can see show ellie being mad for a couple months, but 2 years???? mm-mm, not in the show. game ellie wants a father figure, sure, but it's not a necessity for her. yes, it would be nice, but oh, her father figure lied, guess I don't need one anymore. game joel and ellie just don't seem that close, so the 2 year estrangement kinda makes sense. I still hate it, but it makes sense

something about joel being mad at ellie (for saving his ass????) yet still grabbing comics for her :( he loves her so much D:

doesn’t sound very faithful to me