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how do you feel abt klaroline? i always hated them together; i love the them both but i hate them as a couple

Short answer? I hate them.

Long answer? Well, apart from the fact that they're obviously a screwed up ship made only to please fans (Candice literally confirmed it) and that made Klaus and Caroline incredibly ooc, they just don't make sense and their personalities are too different. And their fans are a big no, the most I've encountered are so toxic and the major problematic part of the fandom (not all of them, before anyone starts crying).

Klaus wasn't in love with Caroline, he just had a weird obsession with her and Caroline was attracted to him in a sexual way, but she was in love with Tyler. They were never "romantic", they had a physical relationship that revolved about Klaus wanting to fuck her.

And once he did, he never bothered to check on her or even give her his condolences after her mother's death. If Klaus loved Caroline, as their shippers assure and swear, he wouldn't have treated her like shit. I mean, even when Stefan asked him if he was still in love with her, Klaus looked close to laughing imo and that should answer everything. And yeah, he asked him if he was gonna do the right thing by her, but that doesn't mean he's in love with Caroline: caring about someone doesn't equal romantic love.

And once more, after that, Klaus forgot about her again. If they were in love, one of them would have seeked the other at least in those seven years Klaus had the hollow inside, or they would have, idk, said "I love you" when he was literally dying. But they didn't, because Klaus was still in love with Cami, the woman he said he'll carry with him forever, and Caroline still wore her wedding ring and she literally said she would love Stefan forever.

So if they were made endgame (thanks god it didn't happen), canonically Klaus would still be thinking about Cami and Caroline would still love Stefan. And don't get me with the whole "however long it takes" because Klaus is always saying things he doesn't mean to get what he wants. His family was a mess and Caroline wouldn't have been able to stand that, especially because Hayley and Rebekah didn't like her, and knowing the personalities of the other siblings they wouldn't be fans of her either.

If somehow that wasn't enough, when Hayley told him she understood what he was going through after losing Cami, Klaus snapped and literally called Camille his true connection, comparing her to Elijah. The quote is literally "you want to commiserate with me, Hayley, but our experiences of grief are not the same. Your husband is dead. It hurts, but we both know the person you share a true connection with is still breathing. So you and I are not the same."

He compared Cami, who was very dead at that moment with Elijah, the man Hayley loved romantically the most. So if that isn't enough proof Klaus loved Cami the most of all his love interests, then I don't know what it is. And he literally sacrificed himself for Cami in s2 when Mikael attacked them. He didn't know the stake wasn't gonna work and that he would come back, so yeah.

I love Klaus, I don't like Caroline but still. Their characters are good, but not meant to be in a relationship. Klaus always put his family first, a family that hated Caroline; so if he had to chose and he would have to eventually, he would, without a doubt, chose his family over her.

So anyway, yes. I love talking shit about klaroline, one of my favorite hobbies.

"Elijah and Cami came in the way of klayley"

Klaus took an interest on Cami way long before she did, if he didn't stay away why would she, Hayley fell in love with Elijah probably the first month of her pregnancy and Klaus and Hayley never looked at each other romantically, not to talk about the fact that it's canon she was scared of him in s1

If we suspend reality as Julie often does and somehow Elijah was the one having a magical kid , how do you think would the storyline go? What would be the changes

I think Elijah would be terrified.

As we have seen in the series, he basically is his siblings parent (it really bothers me that this is only "acknowledged" in the last episode and barely at that) so raising a child wouldn't be something he wouldn't know how to do. He is loyal to the ones he loves and clearly loves his family more than he loves himself.

Bringing a child, especially his own child at that, into the toxic codependent mess that the Mikaelson are would for sure mess up with him. Elijah would be skeptical at first because vampires cannot procreate and all that stuff, but this show isn't known for having a consistent canon so let's ignore it, but he wouldn't react at all the way Klaus did with Hayley's pregnancy. Once he has a way to make sure the kid is 100% his, his demenaour would without a doubt change.

I'm not really sure if Elijah wouldn't see this magical baby as the salvation of his family. We all know he saw that in Hope and he never really saw her as her own person until s5, where she was a teenager who could express herself and stuff. But again, this is his child, someone who is gonna need him for everything half of their life and someone who is gonna be dependent on him.

And that, without a doubt, would drive him away from his obsession with Klaus's redemption, basically the 90% of his character.

Elijah would be forced to drop Klaus or hit him until his baby brother agrees to not kill his child because as I said in one of my posts, Klaus wouldn't approve of his siblings loving someone more than they loved him. It would be an interesting turn in his character, because Elijah was obssesed with redeeming Klaus for his whole life (and that never happened, Hope was the one Klaus loved the most but he was never redeemed). And as we've seen in The Originals, Elijah has prioritized his niece over his brother so imagine that with his own kid.

He would form a bond with the mother of his child way more quickly than klayley did, they would be family and Elijah wouldn't be nearly as possessive over his child the way Klaus is with Hope. He would trust his family to keep his baby safe, and he would trust the mother too. Of course he would be more protective, and that would make him more dangerous.

Obviously this child would soften him, and having a baby to actually raise may make him not treat Marcel like shit and in consequence, not kill him, because he knows what it is to love someone more than himself and stuff.

Simply put, Elijah would have loved this baby more than his siblings and would have been forced to change 55% of his behavior. His child wouldn't be the mythical tribrid tho, so I wonder what their life would have been like.

(I think it would be ironic if Hope and the hypotetical kid existed in the same universe, haylijah got together and Klaus and the mother of Elijah's baby also fell in love lmao.)

This is so true. Klaus and Hayley were never romantically interested in each other: sure, they had sexual tension but since when does that mean romantic love???

Hayley said herself she was scared of Klaus during her pregnancy, and with the way he behaved it's sure to assume she felt this way the whole nine months: she was terrified of Klaus taking away Hope when she was weeks away from giving birth, so she was still pretty much scared of him the whole first season. And yet people think they would make a good couple?

Hayley probably fell in love with Elijah the moment she saw him, and Klaus was flirting with Cami, also fucking Caroline and Genevieve all those months. How could they ever be in love?

Klaus and Hayley loved each other, yes, but just as family.

I hate when people say haylijah is weird because Hayley got with her baby daddy's brother.

First, this is just reducing a woman down to a man she had sex with. She is her own person. She didn't fall for Elijah as Klaus' ex-lover/baby-mama/one-night stand. She fell for him as a woman. It's also disgusting to say that Hayley was not allowed to have any emotions/feelings while she was pregnant. It doesn't matter whose child she was pregnant with, she still has bodily autonomy. No one made a comment when Klaus slept with multiple women while she was pregnant (one of whom attempted to kill his child). It's a complete double standard.

Second, Hayley didn't owe Klaus anything. They were not in a relationship. They didn't even like each other much in the beginning. It's crazy to think that Hayley isn't allowed to like someone because she had a one-night stand months before she even met Elijah.

Klaus was not at all interested in Hayley and didn't expect anything from her. Elijah backed off for the majority of season one just in case he did. But again, no one owed Klaus anything.

Hayley and Elijah are their own people and fell for each other outside of Klaus (I know shocking not everything revolves around him).

It's also hilarious to hear these statements from a fandom that is based on a love triangle between brothers.

In my opinion, Klaus and Elijah had always been constantly rewrited to fit the narrative, but this just got worse in the last two seasons.

Klaus, who loved Hope more than everything, just resigned himself to die knowing she would be all alone and that she would lose him before even getting the chance to know him and we have Hayley being aware of the rift between her kid and Klaus and doing nothing to change it (I'm aware of their phone call) when one of her most prominent traits were how she always fought for Hope to be happy and safe - I know she tried to reach out to Klaus and I'm not excusing him abandoning their daughter at all, it's just curious to me. Elijah, who was literally fighting 24/7 to keep his family alive and together would have never allowed his brother to die knowing his niece would be left alone and even Freya, obssesed with keeping her brothers alive and always searching for solutions until the very last moment just accepted they were gonna die the first hour she knew Inadu had been trapped inside them.

Everything in season five was rushed, out of character and just straight up wrong. For example, Klaus flirting with Caroline while knowing Hayley was being tortured was disgusting - he was doing the same with Aurora, yes, but the moment he found out Rebekah could be in potential danger he flipped and lost it, so having him continue his shitty "romance" with Care was just ooc, especially because he cared about Hayley and Hope way more than for her. We have Antoinette too, who managed to charm Elijah out of nowhere and got completely irrelevant to the plot after he remembered Hayley and then there's also Declan, who was completely forgotten too despite having been with Hayley for all these years (he was literally Cami's cousin, why the fuck would they make him disappear in such a way???). And having Elijah be "unable" to live without Klaus was complete bullshit, he lived perfectly fine away from him when he thought he had daggered their siblings and threw them in the ocean while Klaus was drowning in his own paranoia.

I don't know what more to say, honestly. I agree with everything you said, the writers completely ruined their characters in season five and erased all their development.

In your opinion, would Elijah still have decided to die by his brother’s side if Hayley was still alive?

*Spoilers for Season 5 of The Originals*

In my opinion, the entire decision for Klaus and Elijah to die together was out of character.

Neither Elijah nor Klaus would die and leave Hope alone. I know she had her other family, but Klaus and Elijah always viewed themselves as family before the others. They would have wanted one of them to stay behind for her. Klaus dying for Hope really made no sense. He would have rather someone else die than leave his daughter an orphan.

To me, Elijah has always been a little suicidal so him dying was not a surprise to me. Him allowing Klaus to die, made no sense. That being said, if Hayley was alive, yes I think it may change some things. But even with Hayley alive, if it was a choice between him and his brother, he would still have been the one to sacrifice himself. He tried to do it in season 4 to save Klaus with Hayley standing right there.

Elijah is one who was always ready to sacrifice himself to protect his family. If it was ever even remotely a chance his death could save them, he jumped on it. I think it's partly because he didn't feel he deserved to live and experience any happiness, but also because he loved his siblings much more than he loved himself.

I've always viewed him erasing his memories as a way to kill himself. He erased himself rather than be separated from his family and Hayley. If he could sacrifice his life and it would allow his family to be whole once again and allow Hayley to have the support of his family, he would sacrifice himself.

So if everything else had happened the exact same way in Season 5, except for Hayley's death, I think he may have tried harder to find another way. But, if they were unable to, yes I think he still would have sacrificed himself.

Now, if there was zero way to save Klaus, I think he would have stayed for Hayley and Hope. They wouldn't have both died leaving everyone behind. But again, I don't understand how Elijah didn't make Freya give him the entire Hollow and cut Klaus out of the decision-making, splitting it made no sense for Elijah's character.

I also think it would be good character development for him to not die with Klaus. Showing that he was breaking away from his toxic codependency on Klaus, but it would be based on no real development because, if anything, they just became more dependent on each other as the show went on.

Thanks for the ask!

I find the argument of Klaus hating Elijah after Hayley's death very interesting. Or when haylijah antis say how Elijah and Hayley never fell truly in love with each other, just their idealized versions.

Hayley and Elijah were both one of the most important persons in Klaus’s life: their opinions and feelings mattered to him, yet Hayley is the only one of the two who actually managed to inspire and make Klaus be good (as much as Klaus Mikaelson can be good), but having Elijah by his side during a thousand made Klaus what he was when we met him in The Vampire Diaries.

Elijah, as much as he loved his brother, couldn't have done what Hayley and Hope did for Klaus and he said it himself in 5x13 of The Originals ("Do you understand you've accomplished in 15 years what I couldn't in a thousand?"). Of course he kept Klaus on a check during all those centuries, and their relationship developed from a normal sibling bond between brothers to a toxic codependent mess, where Klaus was slightly more clingy. Whether Elijah stayed with him because of guilt to what he had done to Aurora, and as a consequence, to his brother, isn't really important considering Klaus killed their mother: he chose to remain at his side during a millennium because despite how toxic their bond was, they loved each other.

And then, Hayley came into the picture.

Both brothers were quickly attracted to her: Klaus and her were kindred souls, in a way. They were both wolves casted out, their parents didn't really care about them and they eventually slept together because of this, and their obvious attraction to each other, causing Hope to be born. However, when Hayley met Elijah, she was pregnant and alone, admitting herself she was scared of the father of her baby, scared of being a mother, and he made her "feel safe", and if I correct, her own subconscious told her she fell for the suit, not Elijah, which makes them look bad to people who don't ship them, and it made them look bad for me at first too, I won't lie. She met him in probably one of the worst times in her life, where she was alone and scared, but Hayley herself admitted to being a monster and that she probably loved Elijah despite what he is, or because of what he is.

When talking to Rebekah (4x12), Hayley admitted she was okay with it and how she was scared of how that would affect Hope, she never wanted her daughter to turn out like her or her father's family, so naturally she pushed Elijah away, like any decent mother would. And Elijah wanted the same too:

(Elijah: "If I thought I couldn't do this, I wouldn't have come. Niklaus, when this is done, I want you to take Hayley and Hope away from this. All of it."

Klaus: "You've pointedly left yourself out of that equation. Whatever Hayley saw in you, she will come to accept.")

Klaus is a selfish man, that isn't a surprise to anyone, and he wasn't gonna watch how Hayley and Elijah, both essential people in his life, broke up leaving him in the dust. I'm referring to what Rebekah said in 5x07: "Why do you think we never tore Elijah and Hayley apart? You knew that Hayley would stay close because of Hope, and as long as Elijah was in love with Hayley, he would never leave you, either". Hayley only stayed in the family because of her daughter and Elijah was around Klaus because he was in love with that same woman: Klaus didn't lose Hayley, the mother of his daughter, an essential part of his life, and he didn't lose Elijah either, his best friend and his lodestar, meaning his guide/inspiration. It's not a secret Elijah is the closest thing Klaus ever got to a good parent, and losing him (and Hayley) because of The Hollow clearly messed up with his mind.

Hayley clearly got over about the red door situation though, as she went to visit him in France, was clearly still in love with him and even asked him for a dance in the afterlife, the closest thing tvdu would give us as an endgame. Her reaction was perfectly understandable: she never broke up with Elijah because of herself, but rather Hope, and they would've clearly found their way back to each other if The Hollow hadn't been a thing.

Elijah probably broke Klaus’s heart in 5x03 when he refused to go back with him to help save Hayley. Her life was on the line, and Klaus couldn't lose her too after losing his brother, but Elijah simply didn't care and Klaus was losing his mind because of it. ("You once convinced me that Hayley's life was worth saving, that my daughter's life was worth saving. Please, Elijah. Hayley is missing. Hayley. Even in your addled state, that name must mean something to you!"). Elijah himself pointed it out later how him rejecting his offer hurt his brother and how he knew Klaus wouldn't return, despite Hayley being in danger, only because his words had practically shattered him: "Yes, I do. They say Elijah Mikaelson was his North Star, that he guided Klaus through the darkest parts of his pathetic life. So to renounce that family, to renounce him the way that I did, I saw it. I watched the light vanish from his eyes. This immovable man, this legendary Niklaus Mikaelson was... broken."

Of course Klaus was weeping after having Elijah, the only person in the world who always thought he was capable of good, of being saved, renounce him. He always thinks of himself first, and he didn't think of coming back to ask his brother for help with Hayley. Of course, then he went to New Orleans (5x04) to search for Hayley himself, endangering Hope and everyone in the city, claiming it was only for his daughter: (All of this... is for my daughter. They took Hayley by force. They tied her down like an animal, because she's different, because they were scared of her. See, that's their language. Fear. Now they'll listen.) (Well, I suggest you amp up your efforts to retrieve her, then. Because if my daughter is not reunited with her mother by sundown,...) but it wasn't only because of Hope. Elijah had practically broken his heart and he was acting like a dick half of the episode mainly because of that, while also making people find Hayley faster:

(Marcel: "This is my family. For the last seven years, I have been a phone call away whenever Hope needed me. I am trying to talk you out of making the biggest mistake of your life. To protect you from yourself. So you don't have to tell Hope that you're the reason that her mother is dead."

Klaus: "He knew! Okay? Elijah knew who he was, and he still told me to leave. I begged him. He didn't want anything to do with any of us. He's gone, Marcellus. He's gone."

Marcel: "I understand. I do. Look, I understand the pain. But you got to move through it, okay? You can't let it cloud your judgment. Not with Hayley's life on the line.")

Finding out Hayley had been mutilated just made everything worse ("Marcel, please, I'm going out of my mind here. Look at what they've done to Hayley. I don't do well without Elijah.") ("Every word of it. Even at our most estranged, there was always a trace of the brother I loved, but not anymore. Every part of him was unfamiliar. I promised Hope I'd bring her mother home safely"). He was losing both of them at the same time and he didn't know how to react, and that just exploded in his face once Elijah didn't save Hayley from dying.

Once Hayley died and Elijah just stood and watched, Klaus did lose all respect for him and probably didn't want to see his face for the next few decades while his memory remained lost, because he knew damn well his brother had practically killed himself by erasing his memories. He literally speaks of amnesic Elijah and his brother like they're different people ("But he did leave! Elijah was always there for me. Swooping in when my rage got the better of me, setting me on a path to redemption. For a thousand years, he made me need him. My brother was my greatest ally. He was the only one who could give me a chance of being worthy of Hope. And he was my best friend. You killed him. And I hate you for that"). ("I made a vow to my brother. That's just the man who got Hope's mother killed"). But once he remembered who he was and what he had done, or rather, what he hadn't done, Klaus was literally mad with him for like what, a week? Two? He loved Hayley a lot, but he loved his brother too.

Don't get me wrong, him not saving Hayley did shatter their bond and was a big reason as to why Klaus was so hostile with him, but Klaus is selfish and he always put his feelings above everything and this situation wasn't a exception. I mean, just look at when he was gonna die: he was sneaking around with Caroline, completely ignoring Hope, something she complained about and something Elijah pointed out. Even Hope forgave him for his part in Hayley's death because she knew he wasn't responsible for what had happened, and neither was she by the way.

The three of them loved Hayley, and Hope and Elijah both loved Klaus, and Klaus loved the three of them, and who he needed/loved more between them is complex, but in my opinion, is more "understandable" when people discuss if Klaus loved Elijah or Hope more, considering he was putting her life in danger for the last seven years because he couldn't stay away from his brother, but he couldn't fathom the idea of Hope dying or leaving him forever either.

No because literally.

The way klayley stans twist every single scene they have together to prove "they were in love" is laughable because they literally ignore the whole context of the scene. Every single occasion in which Klaus "showed" any romantic feelings towards Hayley is him lashing out because Jackson gets to play daddy to his daughter or because Elijah hurt him.

Like this man literally went to search for Hayley in New Orleans, threatening everyone and knowing he was making the people who held her hostage more angry and wanting to kill her more because Elijah broke his heart and Marcel even was mad about it, telling him to get his shit together and not let it cloud his judgment because Hayley's life was danger and he was even flirting with Caroline while she was being beaten so let's stop 💀 (the way people use this as "proof" Klaus loved her tho, everyone and even Klaus himself kept saying he was doing this so Hope didn't lose her mother and because Elijah broke his heart).

Yes, they were sexually attracted to each other during a long time (all that died in s4 and s5 tho) but that doesn't equal romantic love, like wtf. Hayley pointed out she was scared of Klaus during her pregnancy and she was willing to let Klaus kill himself in s4 so Elijah (the man she loved) could come back, Klaus was willing to let Hayley die in s1 if that meant Hope would live, and he begged for Cami's life the moment Aurora threatened her yet was willing to let Lucien potentially kill Hayley because his pride was bigger.

"klayley is canonically romantic" embarassing 💀

I don't understand why people try to invalidate the fact that Klaus abused Hayley. He took her freedom, he physically assaulted her, and he said he trusted her and then broke her neck. He cursed her and kept her away from the daughter she died to birth just because he felt entitled to the baby. He became a deadbeat, and she had to do all the lifting on her own, and like every ungrateful teenager, Hope still didn't hesitate to throw her under the bus to have Klaus attention. Klaus loved Hayley as a family and was sexually attracted to her for a while, yes. But let's not pretend that he spent a lot of time tolerating Hayley because she was the womb who gave him a child. She was literally held in a choke by him because she wanted an abortion for the baby he crossed his heart and hoped to die that was unwanted. Klaus didn't love Hayley romantically at all, and that's why he held her to the same kind of abuse he held his siblings, especially Rebekah. The fact he accepted Hayley and Elijah far better than he accepted Jackson because in love with Hayley, Elijah would never leave him, but Hayley with Jackson would limitate his control over her life... basically all he did to Rebekah, on some scale. Cursed her to be trapped as wolf stealing her life, essentially, as he stole Finn's life. It's not the same thing, but it's the same line of thinking. Hayley was and will always be family and I love her character and think she was her best self around Klaus but he didn't loved her as a woman, he loved her a family and because he saw his family as his assets, he abused her as he abused his family, because even being a victim, Klaus was a perpetrator of the cycle of abuse his father started. Abused his siblings, abused his son, and then abused the mother of his child.

Weird question, but what do you think of the sex scenes in the TVDU? I mean only The Vampire Diaries and The Originals 'cause I don't think Legacies has any.

What exactly do you mean, though?

If you refer to what I think as mainly - I think it fits how savage they are. They're vampires, they don't do soft most of the time and that is easy to see in their sex scenes. Stelena was the first important sex scene The Vampire Diaries had (because Damon absolutely raped Caroline so that doesn't count) and it amuses me how sweet and soft that scene is in comparison to how rough later scenes are.

Though my personal favorite is when Klaus and Camille make out in his bed the Christmas episode, it was just so sweet and the fact that Klaus trusted her enough to fall asleep beside her (literally the only girl he's actually slept beside) it's so adorable. I don't know if it counts as sex, but it's heavily implied more than once they fucked, but yeah Klaus is without a doubt an animal in bed (he started fucking Hayley in a table and they ended up in his bed, like hello, his quickie with Caroline lasted literally an entire day and Genevieve and Aurora were down bad). Elijah's sex scenes fit his character so well too because dear lord.

But I do wish they recognized certain people aren't having sex but raping persons instead, it upsets me so much how Katherine and Damon both compelled people to not be scared of them in bed and yet the fandom still believes they consented.

And Legacies actually has a few sex scenes, if I'm right. And I think Hope actually killed Landon when they did it for the first time, and I don't mean it in the ironic way...

Literallyyy

Not to say her biggest argument was how Elijah was Klaus’s brother. Once more, women are more than just the men they sleep with. Klaus and Hope, a seven years old child, weren't even bothered by it yet klayley fans are crying about it 24/7.

Klayley stans are the first ones to talk shit and lung at people just because they don't their shitty ship. Poor them, people don't ship Hayley with the man she was scared of and who abused her 🥺

The treatment of Klayley fans because we don't ship a ridiculous and disgusting ship like H*ylijah

No matter what you say, this ship is disgusting and I will never change my mind.

People will see how Hayley was willing to let Klaus die, probably even wanted it, so Elijah could return to life and to her in season four, how Klaus begged for Cami's life the moment Aurora threatened her yet did nothing while Lucien had his heart in Hayley's heart because his pride was bigger, liteally died for Camille in season two (the only other person he did this for was Hope btw) and they'll still think Klaus and Hayley could have ever been in a romantic relationship.

I'll always wonder how Hope felt about her father's relationship with Elijah, especially after her mother died.

For a time, Elijah was responsible for Hayley's death in her eyes, and no one will convince me this wasn't Klaus’s doing. He had spent half of season five brooding because his brother erased their memories, erased him, and repeatedly put their broken brotherhood over his own daughter. Klaus didn't have Camille or Hayley any longer, he didn't have Elijah specifically, who is the person he has the most codependent relationship with in the series and him lashing out because of it quite literally endangered Hayley's life even more.

Marcel pointed it out; he was lashing out because in his eyes, Elijah no longer loved him and had given their family up and that was clouding his judgment, something they couldn't allow with Hayley's life on the line. So it's just very ironic Hayley ended up dying, with only Klaus and Elijah conscious to see it, because by this logic, Klaus clearly told Hope her uncle hadn't saved her mother's life.

It is very much in character for him, especially because Klaus was acting hostile around his brother whenever Hope was around, so I wonder how she felt when she witnessed him quite literally running into his arms the moment Elijah got his memories back and they finally found common ground. Was she bitter, angry, hurt? This is the same man that was visiting Elijah constantly for seven years because he couldn't stay away from him, despite knowing it could potentially endanger his daughter, yet managed to ignore Hope perfectly fine for five-six years.

Of course, Hope eventually managed to find common ground with her uncle as well, but I don't think she actually realizes how screwed up the relationships in her family are, mostly because her family abandoned her and the ones who actually would do anything and everything for her are dead. Especially for a child as young as her, no fifteen-year-old teenager would ever understand why her father chose her "mother's killer" over her own feelings and over her own dead mother.

Because damn, it would hurt me so badly if my father claimed I was the person he loved the most, yet the one he couldn't live without and the one he constantly prioritized over me was his own brother.

Rip Elijah Mikaelson. You would have loved life without your abusive brother around to dictate yours.

Do you think if Cami was Elijah’s love interest, she would still be called Caroline’s clone? Honestly, the only two reasons why I can think of people constantly saying she’s Caroline 2.0 is because she’s Klaus’s love interest and she’s blonde. But in the show, she is literally nothing like Caroline at all. I see Caroline stans hating on Cami because shes apparently so awful, but then they go on to say she’s a carbon copy of Caroline. So what is it? Is Cami a selfish, awful monster or is she Caroline’s clone?

Cami, much like every other female character in TVD, deserves so much better than how the fandom treats her. She’s not some girl obsessed with Klaus. She’s not trying to ruin Klaus’s and Caroline’s relationship - in fact, Caroline’s not even a thought in her head. All cami wanted to do was live her life and help people.

The way the fandom treats Cami, Bonnie, Elena, Hayley, Aurora, and Davina is so disgusting. This isn’t me saying that Caroline doesn’t receive disgusting comments, but compared to the rest of the cast, she’s often portrayed as a saint and is labeled as “not like other girls”.

The fandom calling Cami a copy of Caroline is 100% tied to the fact they're both love interests for Klaus. If Cami hadn't been romantically paired with Klaus, she would have never been as hated as she is.

Is there even a reason to dislike Cami? I'm honestly asking, because I just don't think there is. She didn't do anything wrong, and if you're gonna bring up how she stole the only weapon that could kill the Mikaelson, then I don't care, because Cami never planned to use it against them. She just wanted her dark objects back, but Klaus, of course, had to be Klaus.

People will complain about how she constantly tried to put an end to the violence in her life, but completely changed her mind once she became a vampire because she wanted to kill Aurora. The same Aurora who killed her, terrified her and traumatized her, and to make it worse Klaus couldn't even bother to hurt Aurora back because he still had feelings for her, and Cami knew it. She had every right to be angry, scared, hurt, and vengeful.

However, knowing kalijah stans call Hayley a Katherine copy, I don't think Cami would have it much easier either. This fandom loves to bash women simply because the men in their ships fell for other woman instead of the one they wanted him with. Camille falls in love with Klaus? How dare she, she is Caroline's copy simply because of that, and apparently because they're both blonde too. Hayley loves Elijah? Ugh, Elijah just entertains her because she reminds him of Katherine.

If anything, Camille was more like Jenna. They were both humans who got involved in the supernatural world, two women who just wanted to help people but ended up dying ironically because of Klaus. Honestly, what do Camille and Caroline even have in common? Being blondes and their names starting with "ca"? To summarize it, Camille was a woman, Caroline was a girl. They were in different points of their lives when they met Klaus; one was an adult and the other one was just leaving her adolescence behind.

Thanks for the ask!

How do you think Klaus’s and Hope’s relationship would be like if he was still alive?

I know that when he died, they had a good relationship - but to me, after everything Hope had went through, I don’t find that really realistic. Honestly, if he had survived, I think Hope would be pretty resentful towards him. He did abandon her for years (he could’ve called, texted, or something but he chose to let Hope believe that he didn’t love her). He put her at risk multiple times so he could see his brother while pretending Hope doesn’t exist and ignoring all her calls. He flirted with Caroline while Hayley was in danger. He made Hope believe that Hayley’s death was all Elijah’s fault.

And I’m not trying to deny that growth Klaus had throughout the series. I do think he has changed in some ways. But at the end of the day, he’s still Klaus. He’s still controlling, possessive, and manipulative. He still harbors this secret desire to be the loved the most by everyone around him. He was threatened every time Rebekah dated someone he didn’t seem ‘worthy’. He greatly disliked the fact that Elijah chose to erase his memory and shacked up with some Nazis (mostly because Elijah erased HIM and didn’t love him anymore). He absolutely hated that Marcel fell in love with Rebekah (not because of any normal reasons like Rebekah is his aunt and literally watched him grow up - but because he didn’t love Klaus the most anymore).

I can see him being possessive and monopolizing all of Hope’s time/attention to make up for the years he lost and because he wants her to love him more than anyone else. Which is why I disagree when people say that he would love Lizzie/Josie/Landon/ or any of Hope’s potential love interests. He wouldn’t outright kill them like he he did with Rebekah’s lovers (as I said, he did grow throughout the series), but he definitely wouldn’t embrace them into the family with open arms. At best, he would be standoffish. At worst, he would be one of those annoying creepy parents that tell their child’s boyfriend/girlfriend “I’m the number one person in their life. I loved them first.”

Honestly I’m trying to think of a time when Klaus actually accepted one of his siblings love interests into the family. Marcel and Hayley don’t count. He literally adopted Marcel as a son. He raised Marcel and brought him into the family before Marcel and Rebekah got into their sick little relationship. He first accepted Hayley (not because of Elijah) but because she was the mother of his child and then because he actually grew to like her. But other than Marcel and Hayley, I don’t think he was ever really that welcoming to any of his siblings’ girlfriends/boyfriends. Maybe Keelin? But did Keelin and Klaus even talk?

So, yeah, Klaus wouldn’t disapprove of Hope’s relationships whether it romantic or platonic. But I don’t think he would encourage it or embrace any of Hope’s friends as family. I do think he would fuss and throw a tantrum if Hope prioritized any of her relationships over him. Wasn’t he jealous of the mere idea of Hope liking Elijah (someone he loves and obviously views a family)?

Honestly, if he was still alive, I don’t think Hope and Klaus would have a good relationship. With her resentment towards him for the years of abandonment and his role in the death of her mother, Hope would probably prioritize her friends/school over her relationship with her dad. And I think Klaus, with his jealousy and controlling tendencies, would have a major issue with Hope prioritizing anything else over him.

If the show had good writing Hope would absolutely resent him at first.

I think a good part of why Hope forgave him in canon in season five was because she was gonna die at first, and then he was the one who would die and she was grieving enough, she had already lost her mother a week ago and I dont think she wanted her father to die having a bad relationship with her. She was in pain, she was vulnerable and she knew she was never gonna see her father again, so she chose to let go from all their issues and just spend their last days together.

But it's just so bad developed. I believe Hope resented Elijah not just because of his "part" in her mother's death, but because of how much Klaus loved him as well. Hope was begging for the attention that Elijah didn't want and yet received every single day just by existing, and even her mother was clearly still hung up on him. How would that make a little girl feel? Imagine you grow up hearing stories about your loving uncle, who continously prioritizes family, only for him to turn around, force himself to forget all of you, leave your mother and your father unable to fully move on with their lives and the moment you finally see him again after almost a decade, he hasn't only "killed" your mother, now he's gonna take your only living parent - the one who had no problem ignoring your existence because he was too busy staring at his brother playing the piano - with him as well.

Hope knew Hayley was still in love with Elijah even years after their breakup, her mother basically asked her in the afterlife to tell her uncle she still loved him, her own father endangered everyone in New Orleans, including herself and her kidnapped mother, just because Elijah broke his heart: he did not care he was driving both of them closer to their deaths, his brother had hurt him and he needed to make everyone around him pay, his own daughter included.

In my opinion, Klaus’s priorities have always been very obvious:

Klaus himself

Elijah/Hope

Whatever love interest he feels like entertaining at the moment/Rebekah

His other siblings/Marcel = Hayley, in case he's seeing them as family at the moment

And yes, in that order. Klaus didn't know how to parent his child now that Hayley was gone and Elijah dying no matter what, and most importantly, he didn't want to. He only knew what Hope meant to him, not who she was (which, personally, infuriates me. If you're gonna create a show centered around a magical baby who shouldn't even exist in the first place and the insane maniac who happens to be her father, at least make her father get to raise her).

The Originals being centered around Hope was, in my opinion, a big mistake. Her existence wasn't a problem for me (if anything, I would make her first appearance later in the show, season three/four, perhaps), but for a show called The Originals, the Mikaelson sure don't appear a lot. I think that's the biggest problem people have with the show, not the Mikaelson being out of character, which is ironic, in my opinion, considering only klaroline and kalijah stans seem to believe that.

In the universe's canon, I just can't see Hope having a stable relationship with any of her paternal family, her father included, had he lived. I'm not saying they would've been constantly fighting, but I do think it would be a constant fragile line in their relationship where Hope would just try to ignore how much he hurt her during her early life, only for them to get into a fight about it, and then go back to ignore it. If Hayley had lived or been resurrected, I see Klaus and Hope's relationship being kinda the same as what I stated, perhaps slightly more sour, perhaps not, because I certainly see Hayley being mad at Klaus for being so careless with her life.

I personally believe Hayley and Cami wouldn't have allowed anything of what happened to the family in season five, Elijah and Klaus practically switched personalities, all the klayley and klaroline moments were so obviously meant for Camille and her relationship with Klaus, Caroline was absolutely out of character, and everything was very rushed and poorly developed.

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