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Ah, but is it really talked about?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49842601
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/magazine/slavery-american-schools.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-02-01/students-dont-know-slavery-was-a-central-cause-of-the-civil-war-report-shows
This; this should be considered basic knowledge. But its not. The reason why I said it should be talked about more is because if it was you wanna know what else we would talk about? Irish Indentured servitude. Which you referred to as: ‘White Slavery’? Regardless, whether it’s considered slavery or (many historians say no) I personally believe it’s still very much connected to it and the one thing you never understood; I never disagreed with the idea that it should be talked about more. Never.
You say I derailed your post? You replied to a post that very specifically detailed that it was not about opening conversation; it was about listening. But since you decided that’s exactly what you wanted to do; who am I not to oblige? You wanted conversation: You got it. I never derailed anything. I looked at the points you made and saw that it seemed as if all of your information wasn’t fully correct. It could’ve a good conversation but that would required (gasp!) actually listening on your part.
Regardless; wasn't one of your tags that “it’s been so long since I’ve had good debate”?
Actually; do you know what a debate is? I don’t think really you do. See; while I’ve been rebutting the points you’ve (with facts and links) made you haven’t extended the same courtesy to me.
See; one thing you did was just ignore entire talking points when you replied.
You did it when you made those accusatory comments about George Floyd (whom you brought up in the first place).
You did it with your comments of the Black Community (why;why one would try to even comment on a community they claimed they weren’t even a part of and painfully;obviously; didn’t have that much experience or even information; most of things I told you were basic,basic knowledge). You tried to say that I didn’t know things about my own community because I never saw it? You actually;actually, tried to say you knew more about about what happened in chattel slavery to slaves then me? An actual black person. With actual black relatives. With an actual mother who cared for her actual grandmother who was; in fact,an actual fucking slave. I mean really? Really?
You did it when I very clearly said that Irish slavery was a matter of distinction; wordplay if you will. An argument of past and present definitions really. I don’t give a fuck whether the Irish were slaves or not. If the historians said they were slaves; they were slaves. But most historians say otherwise. Because something you obviously didn’t know (and I actually forgot)is that the first Africans brought to America were the same as indentured servants. You know what historians refer to them as? Indentured servants. The slave title is attached only to those who came after the slave law was passed and under chattel slavery.See, the Irish aren’t all the special in that regard. And apparently; that’s another failing in the U.S. school system.
https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/indentured-servants-in-the-us/
https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~arihuang/academic/abg/slavery/history.html
Another thing you did was alter the points I made as well. You’d also take part of my quotes and make it seem like I said something that I never did. Take this for example:
If you don’t want people to think that you’re telling them something like “Irish slavery has never been a thing”,
When what I said was (at multiple times, no less):
“First: Irish slavery. So it’s no, not really what the-cawckiest-king is trying to argue it as”
“Yes, it was somewhat similar to chattel slavery, was it the same? No. Indentured servitude was a contract service (which many of the Irish signed willingly; due to conditions caused by Britain no doubt).”
I distinguished that it was indentured servitude (which it is) but I never said Indentured servitude wasn’t slavery. I said it wasn’t the same as chattel slavery. That was kinda the whole point.
Humorously, I then was lead straight to an article which I actually intended to use for my point (chattel slavery was worse; it was btw) but it also actually addressed your point (Is Irish Indentured Servitude considered slavery) which I wasn’t trying to disprove anyway (but I’ve included because who am I to ignore actual historians)!
Also:
Cuz either you’re not as educated as you think you are, or maybe its just something else that makes you squirm at the very idea that slavery and racism and human injustice isn’t just a black narrative you and only you get to have a voice about.
When I never; ever denied slavery of others. Ever? I quoted that certain historians the deny the use of a specific term (Irish Indentured Servitude to White Slavery) to a singular ethnic group of people; but I guess that means I’ve denied all slavery haven’t I? Guys, guys remember when I said nobody else had slavery? Remember?
Now something I have done is come to conclusions about you.
I’ll tell you one more time: You don’t give a damn about black people.
Not only do you not care about us, you also don’t care for our history, or stories, or our thoughts.
See, if you did you wouldn’t have even posted this on a post about listening to Black people. At bare minimum; you would’ve made another. You also wouldn’t have ignored all the evidence I presented you (which the only thing you’ve presented me with is vivid storytelling, pictures of definitions and a video). You wouldn’t have attempted to use this post to comment on all the ‘shortcomings’ of the black community and spend most of this entire comment train talking about how hard the Irish have it.
Oh, that video you linked me? Really educational. I noticed something about that though. You once again mentioned the indentured servants? With all your profound knowledge did you forget something?
http://expatalachians.com/black-coal-the-african-american-miners-of-west-virginias-southern-coalfields
Allow me to focus on one little part (just in case you can’t be bothered to read)?
“The rise of the UMWA and inclusion of black miners may have spared the region from some of the nationwide violence during the Red Summer of 1919. It is important to note that the sole lynching in the coalfields that summer, the murder of two black miners by a white mob in Logan, occurred in the very area already fraught with violence from the unionization struggle. The county sheriff who refused to investigate the lynching was Don Chaffin, the same Logan sheriff who organized the army of deputies and private agents who faced off against the UMWA at the Battle of Blair Mountain.”
Guess what? Regardless of what you say, the fact they that were still white was still more important than a black person’s life. Despite the fact they were all in sour conditions it still, STILL, wasn't enough. You ignore Black Americans wherever it’s convenient for you. You talk over Black Americans when it’s convenient for you. You ignored me; a Black American. You talked over me; a Black American. Any care you may have for us is very shallow; nothing substantial.
So, yes: At bare minimum you don’t give a damn about black people.
“Cuz either you’re not as educated as you think you are, or maybe its just something else that makes you squirm at the very idea that slavery and racism and human injustice isn’t just a black narrative you and only you get to have a voice about.
“isn’t just a black narrative you and only you get to have a voice about.”
“only you get to have a voice about.”
You think that the issues of Black Americans get too much attention.
Even though we fought and protested for generations to get to this point; you think it isn’t deserved. You jumped; on this fucking post because you wanted to use it to bring attention to something you thought was more important. Because you think that this issue isn’t important enough.
See; I figured this because if your truly wanted to bring attention to the plights of others you would've made another post. Did you know? There’s a current tragedy: Yemen. An entire country on the cusp of destruction. There have been posts going around; have you seen them?
You know what would be a garbage thing for me to do? For me to go onto one of those posts and say: Black Lives Matter! Do you even understand why? Allow me:
It’s because that post isn’t about Black Lives Matter. It’s about Yemen. Doing so would derail that post. Doing so would mean that (to me) the struggles of Black Americans are more important than the struggles Yemen face.
Even though Black Lives Matter is extremely important to me; I (unlike you) will not use the attention of other issues and try and bring attention to my own. I have too much respect of the plights of others and the plights of myself. Instead; I reblog posts of Yemen; and of Black Lives Matter. I donate to Yemen; I donate to Black Lives Matter. Because one is not more important than the other.
Decent people know this. Decent people do this. This does not bother decent people.
However, Do you remember who this does bother? Who has this behavior?
“This is what White Supremacists do. This is what Neo-nazis do. This what Neo-Confederates do. This is what White Nationalists do. I never said that’s what you were. I said (and implied; multiple times) you’re doing what they do.”
Because to them; to those people, Black Americans don’t deserve a voice. Black Americans aren’t important enough to deserve this respect. No, not us, not our issues, not our pain, not our lives, and not our deaths.
If you wanted to bring attention to Irish Indentured Servitude and to the plight of other people; fucking fight for it. Fight for it like we fought. Scream like we screamed. Pay for it like we paid. Protest like we protested. Generation after generation; never truly ceasing. Not cry about how its so unfair. Not cry about how now its your turn. This attention didn’t just fall into our lap and it won’t fall into yours.
One more thing to note for the road: I know I’m not the most educated person out there. That’s why when I see things that are off I go find information from those who know much more about the subject than (like historians; perhaps) me. I research. I find information. I find sources. Even the most educated of people (including historians) don’t know everything. So they too: research, find information, find sources, and look for those who know more.
I’ve given you the research of those who know more. I’ve given you the sources of those who know more. I’ve given you the information of those who know more. These people know more than you. They more than me. But you? You think you know better. I don’t have that much balls.
That’s why you’re not as educated as you think you are. You ignore points, you derail conversations (including your own), and you fuck with my words. Only those who are involved in debates and conversations that they aren’t really educated in do those things. It’s also a sign that that individual can’t prove the point they really want to.
However; if you do want an actual story of a place where Black people and White (Irish people included) actually treated one another as equals and not just a false and temporary alliance look into Seneca Park.
White people: if you want to help long term: get used to being told your opinion is wrong, irrelevant, or unwanted. Tell your friends to get used to it. Work on getting used to it and do this work with other white people. Because white supremacy has all of y’all very used to being right and being an inherently valued voice and if we’re going to fight white supremacy you’re going to have to be comfortable surrendering that expectation and also white people will need to learn how to handle being rejected or disagreed with. It’s an extension of racism and racial trauma for black people to try and educate or speak up about our issues only to expose ourselves to your white fragility which makes you defensive– this defensiveness can look like shutting down, silencing us, painting all corrections or disagreements as ‘fighs’ (extending the idea that black people are aggressive) etc.
White resilience is the opposite of white fragility and black people are VERY good at resilience, unfortunately. Listen to us we know how to combat this.
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Whiteness, without racism, has no meaning.
Racists use 'white extinction' to describe changing demographics that never puts any actual harm onto their whiteness. No one is killing white people. White people are not having kids, so they are becoming a smaller percentage of the population.
These same racists have not connected their conservative policies of no health care, no pre-natal care, no social food programs for children, nor their general misogyny/incel/loner attitudes to lower birth rates/marriages/general intimacy, etc.
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At this point I don’t care how much Harry Potter means to you, I don’t care if it saved your life, if you think having some dumb fucking House scarf from a made up fantasy series is more important than calling out a white supremacist, transphobic, ableist hag then YOU are part of the problem and you are just as bad as she is.