Some Thoughts On The 7th House Placements:

Some thoughts on the 7th house placements:

i am reminded of something Barbara Bush (scorpio rising, sun and mercury in 7th house, venus and mars in 8th house, moon and jupiter in second house) once said. Barbara Bush said of the war in Iraq, 'Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?'

Barbara with seventh house sun was a true housewife. She is known for her marriage to Mr president. She was called the first lady and first mother. She had a long and successful marriage, albeit her husband's secret affair that made her very depressed. I recall reading an interview once where she said "i was so depressed that once while driving i thought i would lose control... i still wonder why didn't George leave me?" We hear that her husband never confirmed the affair and after many years of turmoil, they got back to their married life. This is what we see in media, news and gossip articles. But we being astro students can tell a lot more about behind the scenes and between the lines from reading their birth chart. I myself have scorpio rising and sun, mercury in 7th house so I was quite fascinated by Barbara Bush's story and life path.

7th house is the house of other people. It is not just the house of relationship but also the house of your shadow self. Everything you see in others but do not recognize in yourself. Others are a mirror to you because they show you things that you cannot see in yourself. If you are aware of the human psyche, you would know that how we perceive others is subjective. We project our own traits on others. This is how anima and animus projection works in men and women respectively when they think that their partner is all that exists in themselves. If your animus is undeveloped, you would be attracted to men who you think have the same personality as your animus regardless of the reality. Your undeveloped animus will also show itself as self esteem issues, not being able to accept those parts of yourself and not having a relationship with your own animus. This can be remedied with shadow work, active imagination, journaling, dream interpretation, psychoanalysis, constant self introspection. Carl Jung is an authority on these subject matter.

While 1st house placements show a definite impact of the planet in the personality of the person, 7th house placements show the same personality traits hidden in the shadow of the native. For eg, sun in 1st house is bold, confident, ego centric, self promoting, me first, self proclaimed king type who finds it hard to dim his own sunlight to see and introspect themselves because they are strongly identified with their ego and wonder why do other people not see them as the king they are? On the other hand, sun in 7th house gives all these personality traits in the shadow self. Ego, confidence, self assertiveness, boldness, me-first attitude, life of the party attitude is hidden in the shadow self. It is hidden from the physical eyes.

If you understand what i said above, i will come to the next point. Sometimes back in an astro observation, i said that "7th house sun are their own worst enemy because they sabotage themselves so much". Sun is vitality, it is the energy that gives us light and life, it is the yellow light of liveliness. In astro, it is father, ego, confidence, arrogance, boldness. It is the power that makes a rockstar who say "yes i am the best.." or a politician say "yes i am the best leader for this country.." It takes that ego to say that "I am the GOAT, i am the best.." That is Sun. You must have met many such people in your life who will proudly beat their own drums "I know i am the best. i know i am smart and confident and successful.." While Sun in 7th house is the exact opposite of it. Since their confidence and ego are repressed in their shadow self, what remains in front is the insecurities. Ego and insecurities go hand in hand. Someone with 1st house sun will have a big ego and insecurities in shadow. While someone with 7th house sun will have insecurities in front and ego in the shadow. I hope it is making sense. Since sun in 7th house gives a repressed ego, these natives are completely aware of their insecurities. They internalize the insecurities of other people as their own. They flinch when they see their insecurities in other people. They internalize the projection of insecurities in themselves. Since 7th house sun gives a shadowy ego, they dont know who they are unless they are surrounded by other people who work like their mirror. 7th house sun finds himself through other people, especially their identity, ego and confidence. They are also very attracted to confident, bold, dominating, arrogant people because they fulfill their own scarcity of ego. This is why they can be massive people pleasers because they are a sucker for confident people and lacking their own confidence, they are eager to please others to fulfill their need for self identity.

But this is not the case if they have 1st house placements as well. Barack Obama has 7th house sun but also has 1st house placements so he does not have an egomaniac personality but also has the triats of 1st house plcements. He appears quite "humble". Steve Jobs had 7th house sun with empty 1st house and he had a hidden ego. He must have been very damn aware of each of his insecurities. I see this in Jobs movie that he was very self critical (7th house sun) and visionary (8th house moon). Jobs also went to psychic healers to cure his cancer which is such an 8th house moon thing to do. BUT you guys should not follow in his footsteps. Serious disease like cancer needs mental intervention. Jobs did regret not going for surgery earlier because his cancer was curable but by the time he realized it, it was very late. He distributed "autobiography of a yogi" to his people before death so that sounds like something to think about.

I am reminded of an Indian astrologer P V Narasimha Rao (sun in 7th house, virgo rising, mercury, venus, mars, saturn in 8th house) who writes on his website the following. You can clearly see he has a fascination with sun since his own sun is in the 7th house which must give him a weakened ego.

Next i would like to talk about mercury in the 7th house. Contrary to popular belief that 7th house mercury are good speakers, charmer, socially intelligent, it is rather quite the opposite. Whatever goes into 7th house loses its properties into the shadow. Remember this rule. If mercury goes into 7th house, the personality traits of mercury go into the shadow. He is an awkward speaker and is painfully aware of how he eats a lot of his words in the shadow. He also internalizes the words of other people and risks becoming gullible and manipulable. Since his own street smartness and communication akills are hidden in the shadow self, he is attracted to people who are good with words with a sharp tongue to activate his own dormant traits. 7th house mercury is rather talkative and talks a lot with other people because it makes him aware of his own hidden intelligence, how else would he know who he is? Carl Jung had mercury in the 7th house and he is known to be a psychiatrist who was involved with many people.

More interestingly, Adolf Hitler had Sun Mercury Mars and Venus in 7th house in Aries sign. This is homework for you to think about his personality, motivations and what he did in his life.

Side note: I retrieve birth details of famous people from astro.com and use vedic astrology to create their vedic birth chart.

Some dangerous advice i have heard of:

Everyone deserves love and compassion.i dont think love should be given out freely. Dont abuse others but dont wear your heart on your sleeves.

With enough love and kindness, they can change.People change when they face adversity or bad luck or suffering or any life changing event. There is no change without destruction. Dont believe the false idea of change and false claims of self improvement. People dont just change on a random friday because they have had enough of their bad behaviour

No concept of boundaries in blood related family. I dont know why this is something that we ignore in families

Mentorship and guidance will change the bad person. A lot of times i read in r/buddhism the example of angulimala whom Buddha changed. This is folklore. Please dont try to change the world

Nonduality means we all are one. See behind the flesh. See the human behind the mask. I only understand the concept of "forgiveness".

To tolerate abuse because it makes you look wise, tolerant, kind

Material pursuits are bad. spiritual pursuits are superior (even if the spiritual gurus take gifts and donations from devotees)

Be friends eith everyone. everyone has positive qualities to teach you. You dont need a bad person to teach you positive qualities.

You need to put your power outside yourself in someone. I think that guru is inside only

Life lessons. What life lessons? I dont believe in life lessons. There are life paths. I think universe is indifferent to pleasure and pain

the right person will change the bad person. Please no. Only the bad peeson can change himself. The external forces can only trigger not change them

You must empathize with bad people even. They are just ignorant. Please no. Choose your companions wisely. Beware of advise like these:

Some heartfelt advice for 8th venus ladies:

I can empathize with the emotional struggles of this placement. It is almost as if the society we are born in somehow runs on conventions that are pre existing. Trying to live by values, high standards, principles, morals, ethics, virtues is looked down upon, ridiculed, called as noob. It is almost like the society, media, politics rewards and celebrates being crooked, unethical, disorganized. I think it is projection of collective shadows and rejection of what we dislike in ourselves onto others who are not similar to us. Irony is that on a superficial level, all of us try to do virtue signalling and portray a highly moral persona of ourselves but we dont like to do the hard work of actully living according to our standards.

Venus in 8th house lady comes across such situations in life where she realizes how messed up the social systems are. How people are fake, pretentious, hypocrite and merely holding an image of goodness but dont actually live like that. She can see through lies, deception and fakery - and she hates that. This lady then does shadow work - it is usually after a major heartbreak that she figures out her emotional issues. Thereby she learns to manage her emotions to raise herself from the puddle of bad social circles. This is why it is also called the placement of rebirth or emerging like a lotus from the mud.

Shadow work is dirty and when the mud clears, it is time to rise above the social conventions and expectations. It is time to become what we call a High Value Woman. A high value woman lives by her values and standards. She is sophisticated, soft spoken, ladylike. Dont mistake high value woman for misogyny or stereotype. But it is character development. You can call it whatever you want but it is about emotional strength and realizing her inner will. It is about self actualization and reaching her highest potential.

Some traits of a high value woman are: she knows her worth, values, her time is not free for everyone, does not engage with toxic people, has emotional control, is classy, does not put down other women to look good, does not need male validation to feel desirable, is Stoic, has a career, has some pursuit in life, well read, thoughtful speaker, lives by morals and principles. In relationship, she does not appear clingy, has an identity of her own, does not chase the man, lets the man be the provider, does not play mind games, does not cheat, emotionally connected and invested in her partner. Some personal values are: empathy, kindness, classy, lives with dignity, has self respect, has boundaries for toxic people, etc. Moreover, she constantly improves her own darkness and becomes a little better person everyday.

Some of these traits might not feel good to those who dont have venus 8th house but it is really essential for these ladies because of their life themes. I dont even have to share this, just meet any 8th house venus lady in the random place and she will tell you how much character development she has gone through. No matter the nation, the state, the race, the language, anyone with 8th house venus really goes through self transformation in secrecy. It is the hallmark of this placement.

The sooner you transform the better the result. You can then attract a fellow High value man and live a drama free satisfying emotionally fulfilling private relationship. Emotional control is as important to these ladies as is brakes in a car. Since your life theme is very fated, you have psychic gifts and things happen suddenly in your life, better to drive your car smoothly to make the twists and turns easier. Dont race your car, drive in limits. Better safe than sorry.

Venus in 8th house: what does the love interest do to you?

If you have this placement, you must have been with some manipulative, controlling man who was like wolf in the face of sheep. He seemed so decent and perfect from the outside but it was all just a mask to hide the real personality and traits. This "revelation and dark secret coming to light" is the turning point in your life. You begin to really dive deep into your inner world and start healing yourself of intergenerational trauma and others.

What I find really interesting was that although the romantic interest was a douchebag, he introduced me to the world of psychology. I did not know anything about psychoanalysis before. He said he would psychoanalyze me and that is how I learned what was what. I did not even know what psychology meant before him. His knowledge of psychology was just shallow and i had to read things on my own to actually understand everything. Similarly, he told me about philosophy. Again, his knowledge of philosophy was infantile. He told me everything wrong about Nietzsche and others. He was just like someone who read things on reddit and social media, and made it his whole personality to manipulate and entice naive and unaware girls like myself.

Although I really hate him in hindsight, but it was this turning point that I actually really started exploring psychology and philosophy. Both of these subjects are connected to 8th house, so that is a really meaningful coincidence. Venus in 8th house = romantic friend activates your interest in 8th house subjects? Seems valid.

By the way, let's not underestimate the role of other houses and placements in love life. 5th house, 7th house are really crucial to learn too.

PERSONALITY DEVELOPMENT SERIES: 8th house and psychosis. Trigger: mental health

This is my understanding of "psychosis" that happens to 8th house natives. I have venus in 8th house & I experienced psychosis. Carl Jung had sun in 8th house, his psychosis is well known. Friedrich Nietzsche was scorpio rising with rahu and moon in 1st house & sun in 12th house in libra. More on this later but today let us discuss psychosis. From my understanding, it is triggered by two things: planet and time period of the house ruler. Venus in 8th psychosis is triggered by romantic relationship. Sun in 8th house by father? Moon in 8th house by mother? My understanding on this is not clear but I have definitely experienced the relationship and mom connection (venus + moon in 8th house). Next comes, time period of 8th house ruler. My 8th house is ruled by Gemini and my psychosis was triggered in mercury antardasha because it probably activated the 8th house. Someone with pisces ruling 8th house will be activated in Jupiter mahadasha or antardasha etc.

What exactly happens during psychosis? Since 8th house is to do with intense emotions, these natives go back and forth highs and lows to the extreme levels throughout the day. Psychosis occurs when they are overwhelmed by the unconscious content and have a weak & insecure ego. It happens either in early youth years or when they have not dealt with a challenge before in life or unprecedented misfortune. For eg, if venus in 8th house is in relationship, she will be her usual rollercoaster emotional ride. 8th house will bring a not suitable person to life. Native is her usual intense self but the romantic lover causes many emotional and mental issues by lying, manipulation, inconsistent behavior etc. This gradually drives the native to emotional distress. There comes a flood of negative emotions in them like extreme anxiety, fear and panic. They start obsessing about the whole thing to the point of mental breakdown. Since they are young, naive, early age or inexperienced, this emotional distress is too mentally and physically draining to live in. It gets harder and harder to live life in a hyper emotional state every day. This is when native starts to isolate herself.

Then occurs psychotic break. It is when the native starts to perceive reality differently and lives in delusions. For eg, delusion like I am pregnant or I am being stalked or somebody is trying to hurt me, seeing mental images of people hurting them and ridiculing them. The last one happened to me. This is very frightening and confusing to native. She does not know how to explain the strange things happening to her.

Then happens spiritual awakening. Something in her pulls her to occult and related things or psychology or therapy or hospital or anything else as per life path. Next step is the reordering of her psychic world which blends delusion and reality. Which means she has to face the trauma from her past and heal herself. Synchronicities begin to happen. Unlearn the trauma and relearn new things. 8th housers are called BRAVE SURVIVORS for this reason.

Depression and psychosis wipe her memory clean. Time to integrate the parts of herself now coming to consciousness. What parts? Shadow, animus, parts of herself she did not know she was, changing the old habits, changing the hobbies, career etc. These things are very crucial to mental development. We often hear "eh school sucks, I hate democracy, why do we have to do job.." but try living in jungle doing nothing & you will realize how system, rituals, patterns, routine, order are very important psychological needs. They are not just manmade institutions but strong psychological impulses.

Time to fix what is broken. Make peace with your childhood trauma. Acknowledge everything you hate in yourself and give it time (months, years) to integrate and heal. Read more about it in books because I cannot go into detail here.

Also, strengthen your ego. Intense women lack strong ego. Ego means self identity. Assertiveness. Stand up for yourself and your rights. Ego means to achieve or try to achieve your highest potential. There is no other way to live a fulfilling life. Ego means to putting yourself first, not being doormat and clingy.

This psychosis is life changing, catastrophic, sudden, unpredictable, similar to death and rebirth. It is the shedding of previous reality and creation of a new reality. It is why 8th housers say "I have lived so many lives in one lifetime."

Once they have overcome this psychosis, their ego is better able to handle next bouts of intense negative emotions and handle them positively with physical, intellectual, mental efforts. They also attract better quality of people in their lives because people can sense their maturity and character. 8th house still brings sudden twists and turns but they are able to handle that.

I personally went from browsing nonsense porn to turning pages of philosophy books. It is total life changing self development work. Painful but very rewarding.

Hey, you talked about 7th house and the shadow self in one of your posts, so I have mars and pluto in 7th house conjuction what foes that mean about my shadow self?

Hi,

I wrote about "shadow self" for sun in 7th because I have this placement. Shadow is something we discover on our own. To know it, we have to be self aware, watch our reactions, triggers, emotional ups and downs. We have to see what irritates us, annoys us, provokes us in other people. We have to see how flawed and imperfect we are and accept that. It is not just negative qualities but the positives too. Shadow is something which is not tangible or something that can be shown. It is like trying to tell someone who hasn't tasted chocolate before what it tastes like. But once you see your own shadow, you cannot go back from there. It brings peace of mind.

We have a lot of inner personalities and characters that we go through every day. I dont know much about it, when I read something I will share here.