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I HAVE DOCUMENTED MY JOURNEY OF HEALING FROM MOON+VENUS IN 8TH HOUSE.

CHECK OUT MY PAGE TO SEE WHAT HEALING MEANS. I HAVE WRITTEN MANY POSTS ON THIS.

Hope it helps someone. It is very important to deal with this placement and trauma it brings.

VENUS IN 8TH HOUSE/VENUS IN SCORPIO/MOON IN 8TH HOUSE HEALING AND WAY FORWARD

1. A lot has been said and written about venus/moon in 8th house and how their feelings are intense, deep, stormy and they feel the highest of highs and lowest of lows. 8th house venus and moon also give obsessive tendencies, addictive personality and issues with subconscious expectations. 8th house is the house of transformations and identity changes. So, you will NEVER feel at ease if you have your venus and moon in 8th house. Period.

2. If you are self aware and notice your own actions, you would know how USELESS it is to act on your feelings. Feelings are like clouds, they pass, you are not your feelings. But since our feelings are so intense, we cannot distinguish between facts and feelings. So, are we destined for a life of obsessions, repeated toxic behaviours and living at the mercy of 8th house?

No.

3. After healing from my 8th house antardasha, I have been contemplating a lot on the nature of love and romance. Since my emotions are intense, I cannot think rationally when it comes to relationships. And honestly, girls... men are not worth the effort! Seriously! Men are not worth the "effort". I repeat, men are not worth the effort, no matter what the media tells you. This doesnt mean you have to be "strong independent girl who needs no man". NO! You have to figure out what you want/need from a man and be very very clear about it. For example, I need financial security, I need exclusivity, I need social status. I want empathy, I want good conversations, I want good sex. Remember - I am not referring to normie placements lol, I am referring to MOON/VENUS IN 8TH house placements - INTENSE EMOTIONS.

4. For girls who have venus or moon in 8th house or scorpio sign, a very good idea is to devote significant time to spirituality! Be a polymath and learn a lot of things! Read books and have 100s of hobbies! Read about Buddhism, there are millions of websites on internet who will tell you all about our emotions and feelings and how to tackle them like a Buddhist monk!

5. If you are tired of intense, confusing, abusive, obsessive tendencies, devote yourself to spirituality. Do yoga. Read about Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta. Read world mythology. Read about occult, do tarot, read articles and posts on astrology. Have 100s of hobbies (sketchbook, plants, animal welfare, collect items, read books, manifestation, writing, journaling is a must for ALL THE INTENSE GIRLS GANG, paint), put your energy out there with your hands, use your hands. Make yourself a priority. You dont have to follow the rules of movies/media/novels/society because you are an INTENSE LADY so you need personal rules that suit your personality. I hope this makes sense.

6. Scorpio sign and 8th house are spiritual powerhouse. They are shortcuts to spiritual progress. If you learn to master the 8th house, you can get free boosts in your spiritual journey. We are born as humans to attain enlightenment and escape the cycle of death and birth. Anyone who has been through the transit of 8th house knows how it takes everything from you and forces you to build something new. It can take your personality, your job, your marriage, your health, your savings AND it forces you to make a new personality, start a new career path, get into a new relationship, start saving again, changes your health status. It is like the death of your old persona and birth of a new YOU.

7. Venus in 8th house/scorpio sign girls have a natural charm and magnetism. Even if they sit like a panda, people will still be attracted to them. So you need not worry about keeping your man, because you're a literal magnet. But you must learn to redirect your energy to yourself. Instead of wasting your free time on internet or men, just sit down and meditate. This will enhance your intuition. It will give you spiritual insights. It will open portals to the secrets of life.

SPIRITUALITY is the name of the game. Thanks for reading.

How to LIVE LIFE when you have moon in the 8th house? // Moon in Scorpio.

Your sensitive beautiful intuitive subconscious mind = moon is now sitting in the 8th house.

This is the house of miseries, ups and downs, transformations, change, evolution, growth.

This is the house of mysteries, death, rebirth, metamorphosis, faith, intuition.

This is the house that shakes the ground below your feet.

Once you cross the doors of the 8th house, there is no going back. No going back.

You have to experience it to believe it. If you know it you know it. There is no scientific explanation.

If you were an atheist, you are pulled into religion. You let go of the old habits and create new values in place of old sensualities.

A part of you dies. You feel deep and dense. You are mature. People around you are amazed.

What has happened to this person? Why is she acting like this? Is she crazy? Is she a gone case?

Moon or Venus in 8th house and obsessions. How to stop it forever?

From my personal experience, I have been stalked and obsessed over by many boys.

During my school days, there was always someone who was OBSESSED with me: stared at me all the time, sat next to my seat, followed me around school, older men teasing me, so many men tried to touch/kiss me. I was kid and didn't know astrology, so I didn't think much of it.

I myself used to be obsessed with other women, their looks and possessions. I had obsessive thinking patterns and used to replay the same conversations in my head 100 times an hour. Just imagine how I have lived my life until now! Miserable!

I envied many girls and many girls envied me back. It was so frustrating.

Obsessions were not under my control. I was not conscious that I was doing them. I have had many emotional meltdowns in 2022 but now i am determined to put an end to this OBSESSION for the rest of my life.

My tools:

🌑 What is causing the obsession? Insecurity? Scarcity mindset? Dissatisfaction with my life? Inferiority complex? Shame? Guilt? Weak ego? Attention seeking? Feeling invisible and ignored? Wanting approval and validation?

🌑 My biggest regret is that I didn't become self aware earlier. I had been living my life and then I find out that whatever I am doing is a mental illness: Obsession, rumination, self sabotage, revenge seeking.

🌑 Working on my self concept. Accepting my mistakes. Accepting my vulnerability. Recognizing that being stalked or predated was not my fault. I was naive and inexperienced. Predators took advantage of it. My 8th house Venus gave me some bad experiences.

🌑 Taking back my control and becoming a high value woman. A high value woman is not a people pleaser. 8th house Venus women would benefit from being a femme fatale woman = introverted, private, mysterious, laid back, soft spoken, elegant.

🌑 Promise yourself that you will live your own life and keep yourself a priority. I wish I had known it sooner. I was such a monkey. I was doing the opposite of what I should have done. I should keep myself a priority and put my own goals, hobbies, needs ahead of everyone else.

🌑 Controlling your emotions and strong will power. Give up short term gratification and set long term habits. Have a routine and structure in your life. When you have a routine for every day life, you will not be controlled by your emotions to take impulsive actions.

🌑 I dont know if it is just me, but I feel like I know what other people are thinking and feeling. I feel exposed and vulnerable because of this. This is because I am very intuitive. But how will other people know what I am feeling unless I tell them? I am intuitive, they are not. So this gave me some sense of control that my vulnerability and weaknesses are within me and nobody else knows them unless I reveal them.

🌑 I think that I am quite psychic but others are not so stop obsessing if other people can read your emotions too. I was obsessive because I felt so vulnerable that everyone else can mind read me and I must defend/explain myself constantly.

🌑 Stop chasing fame/name/popularity. Find solace in occult, metaphysics, a library, spirituality, privacy, anonymity. In this day and age when celebrity culture, social media accounts, show off is so rampant, living an anonymous life feels like a "mistake", laziness and FOMO. What if I get old without posting 100 pictures of myself on Instagram? Who will witness how pretty I am? Lol. Nobody. Literally nobody cares. Feel freedom and liberation. Stop self sabotage. Soon it will become natural.

8th house synastry and OBSESSION

First of all, I did not know anything about 8th house synastry before it happened to me. I'm writing this to share my raw personal experience. Perhaps it will help someone someday, or it will assist other astrology students to learn about this strange synastry.

About me: I am scorpio ascendant with moon and venus in 8th house in Gemini. My romantic situationship (very toxic) happened with Aries ascendant, moon in 3rd house in Gemini and venus in 2nd house in Taurus.

Before the synastry happened: I was a normal happy girl. Young, naive, clueless, hopeless romantic, emotional, black and white thinking, obsessive personality, addiction prone personality, atheist, emotional rollercoaster, used to read astrology for future prediction, browsed a lot of memes, hated reading books, maladaptive daydreaming and mental rumination.

My life before 8th house synastry: Things were getting tougher in all aspects of my life but I did not think much about it.

During 8th house synastry: I became obsessed with this man. I used to talk to him in my daydreams and fantasies. Unfortunately he was a womanizer predator alcoholic cheater liar and manipulator but I was just obsessed with him. We were not even in a relationship but I was OBSESSED. I forgot the whole world. It started so subtle and then it consumed me like a demon. I was no more the same person. I started telling him my dark childhood secrets and family secrets. I was in a storm of emotions and craziness. The whole world ceased to exist for me. My mind was a mess. I used to daydream all day about him. I was not even interested in him as a person. I was just obsessed with a mental image of him. I pictured him like a perfect person with no flaws. Somewhere deep down in my heart, I was deeply insecure about myself. This man was taking advantage of me and I let him. My obsession lasted 3 years! I did not know how to get it of it. I did not know why it happened in the first place.

How i broke my obsession: self transformation. Personality change. Brutal honesty with myself and what was lacking in my life. Complete change of identity. Facing my weaknesses and failures.

My life after 8th house synastry: I am calmer. Interested in occult. Self aware. A part of me has died sometimes back. I feel like a ghost has left my body. I was so exhausted and tired. I was so drained and empty. My whole life broke down. Studies hobbies family life and my identity. then I made everything from ground. I quit my vices (porn binge eating Maladaptive Daydreaming envy jealousy). My self confidence has shot up. My self esteem has improved. I am very spiritual now.

What was the 8th house synastry like? We talked about me mostly. I overshare everything. My childhood, problems, psychological issues, secrets. After I figured out he was a wrong man, I sent him many emails expressing my anger frustration etc. I was so frustrated that I was going through a strange obsession that nobody else was going through. It had ruined my life. The obsession itself was crazy. I used to talk to him in my head. I would rehearse all the conversations in my head. My mood depended on how he treated me.

It was the worst mistake of my life and the biggest life detour.

A part of me has died. I dont remember who I was before this. I dont remember the girl who talked to this man. I dont remember anything or anyone. I dont have victim mindset. I have no desires for relationship. I have no desire for romance. I am interested in spirituality and philosophy. I am interested in occult and esoteric. A part of me has died with this obsession.

Am I happy with this transformation? No. If I had the choice I would go for a normal life.

What did the obsession feel like? Blinding. Crazy. Brainless. Mindless. Emotional fool.

How did it improve my occult practice? I became very spiritual and firm believer of astrology. I am skeptic but also have a firm believer.

How did it change my love life? I dont know. I am single.

What placements are in my 8th house? Moon and venus. Both of them are so pretty feminine. These two beauties in a harsh house. These beauties in a storm. Two beauties in a graveyard haunted by the ghosts of 8th house.

Any advice to others? It is destiny. It is fate. 8th house synastry (moon in my case) was like the death of old me and birth of new me. I dont think it could be prevented. I knew the red flags but ignored them. I knew how wrong it was but ignored it. It was destined to happen.

would you say that 8th house deals with personal unconscious? personal unconscious is emotional and feelings toned. this might be reason why 8th house/Scorpio natives feel their emotions deeply but once they begin to unfold their feelings, it will lead them to enlightenment. 8th house also deals with transformations. it also deals with death and rebirth. all these processes are linked to the energy of 8th house. they are linked to the personal subconscious of the native. these natives always feel like they are on the edge of conscious and subconscious. "emotion" is energy in motion; energy can not be destroyed. it can only be transformed into a new vessel. this is why these natives get transformed after going through a phase of self discovery. they can channel their personal subconscious through occult tools and spirituality. occult which is seen to be sham superstition for the rest of the world comes naturally to the 8th house person. their intuition is their asset. they know a lot of things between the lines. the positive side is that they can uncover the secrets of life and existence.

the negative side is that until the native discovers their occult gifts, they will be faced with chaotic complex destructive dramatic energies. they need to learn stoicism and choose their reactions calmly. they need to channel their emotions through metaphysics and psychology. they will benefit from having a ton of hobbies and courses to learn from.

and they will benefit from reading a manual on "how to be resistant to narcissists" because their energy seems to be a fuel for the air/fire dominant narcissistic people.

One way that I look at the 12TH HOUSE is as the collective unconscious.

People with a lot of planets in this house sometimes have a very hard time understanding what is going on within them. What is triggering them to drown out those invisible energies that seem to be attacking them? There is so much confusion, so much unconscious desire to return to wherever the soul has come from. The collective unconscious seems to envelope these individuals, they are so open to these psychic attacks that until they become aware of the fact they are open to a world that others are not privy to they will continue to feel lost and fall into the traps of self-medication. Once someone with 12th house placements become conscious of this ability to be so open then they can start to develop their psychic abilities and begin to be able to separate those energies which are their own, and those which belong to the collective. Taking on problems that belong outside of their own karma can be life destroying. On the positive side these people can be some of the most amazing artists, if they are able to channel those energies into creative projects then they are able to touch and inadvertently heal many souls. 

Please do culture of the life of 8th house moon men

Hi! As you guys can see on my blog, I mostly write about things that I have personally experienced so there's an abundance of 8th house theme. I have moon in 8th house and so does my brother. But I am Sco rising and he is Leo rising.

Depending upon the sign, the 8th house native develops their personality. Both my brother and I are born to the same mom and have 8th house moon, but our personalities are very different. He has moon in pisces in 8th house=visionary, calm, stoic. I have moon in gemini in 8th house=dramatic, sentimental, scatterbrained (but now I have matured and calmed down).

The first thing that comes to mind for 8th house moon natives is Mom. Especially during their childhood, their mom was emotionally turbulent. She gave her children conditional love. Mom behaved differently in public from private life. Mom likely had low self esteem and unstable self image, hence why she behaved differently with different people.

The native tends to have anxious or avoidant attachment style. It repeats in their adulthood resulting in intense, secretive and traumatizing relationship.

The native appeases their mother. Becomes a people pleaser. Native's emotional needs are overlooked. Mom is the center of attention. Native tends to walk on eggshells to not spoil mom's mood.

One good thing about this placement is that sometimes in their life, when the 8th house lord's time period begins, the native becomes self aware of their subconscious expectations. Such native turns to astrology and spirituality to find answers to their life.

Mom and native both could be loners. They likely spend a lot of time alone, indifferent to the rest of the world. Mom and native both have secret personalities that they hide from the public eye. Native has to undertake a difficult task of unlearning childhood patterns and building a new personality.

Native never quite feels like oneself. They change a lot. Every morning they wake up with a new sense of identity. Who was I yesterday? Who am I today? Their feelings are intense and stormy.

They transform a lot. Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, material world--they transform in every aspect of their lives. They tend to shed their skin and become someone new. The transformation is neither easy nor quick though. It is a long journey of contemplation, self destruction and reconstruction that they go through. The rebirth is never really complete so they always feel like they are stuck in an eternal stage of metamorphosis.

Unlike venus in the 8th house, they are not likely to attract low quality romantic partners, but they should learn to solve their emotional issues before they get into a relationship. They are likely interested in psychiatry, crime related courses or movies or novels, confidential information like occult, secrets of life.

At some point in their life, they will become aware of their mother's emotional dysfunction but they keep it hidden from public disclosure because of psychic reasons. These natives can see through people, tell who's lying, spot shadows in others. They will benefit from keeping emotional distance from their mother while still taking care of her. Just dont try to love her "unconditionally". Keep your boundaries and dont try to imitate what you see in movies. Not all mom-child relationships have to be picture perfect.

With age and experience, they will learn to master their emotional reactions. They can go from high drama to low drama people. Prefer to keep low profile in public. Have an interpychic relationship with their mother. Mother herself was likely very emotional, psychic properties and unstable.

In this age, society is so structured that we tend to call spiritual and emotional sensitivity as mental illnesses and superstition. But the 8th house moon native know that there is more to life than what meets the eye. They are curious about the afterlife and death.

They either love to watch horror movies or are damn scared of them. They have a love and hate relationship with the darkness and what lies in the dark. Whether movies or their personal unconscious, they are afraid of what they might see. They are afraid of uncertainty, unpredictability and the unknown. The abyss terrifies them. It intrigues them a lot too. Their emotional intensity is a tool to psychoanalyze their unconscious. But they also feel like the darkness is where their home is. They are very aware of their shadow self and integration.

Life advice for moon in 8th house wrt mother:

Moon in 8th house manifests a volatile caregiver. The mother is unpredictable, emotionally unstable, highly reactive and controlling. Mom is also the primary caregiver so the child learns similar personality traits and emotional reactivity from the mother. Mom does not know how to soothe her emotions, does not understand the emotional needs of others and is unstable. That is NOT to say that mom is a bad person, she just does not have interpersonal skills. There is intergenerational trauma running in this bloodline. In some cultures it is acceptable to be 'no contact' with your mother but it is not possible in most places.

Do not expect your mother to change. Your mother will only change if she goes through psychological rebirth. This is only possible if she has been through a dark night. There is no other way how she will learn to identify and change her emotional behaviour. The willingness to change will only come with self awareness and self reflection.

Create emotional distance from your mother. A volatile mother is sometimes happy and cheerful. It is easy to ride the highest of highs before the next show drops. It is better to create emotional distance from mom for your own mental stability and emotional calm.

Emotional independence is also important. Do not depend on your mother for love or affection. Learn to love yourself. Learn to respect yourself.

If possible, try to teach your mother emotional intelligence. Your mother does not even know how feelings work. Teach her stress management, emotional control. Teach her that you will listen to her even if she does not shout. You will love her even if she fails at something. Teach her that it is okay to make mistakes. Teach her that nobody is perfect and her black/white thinking is flawed. Teach her that conversations are not personal attack. Teach her that she does not need to control everyone.

Finally, break the chain yourself and hopefully your mother will follow you. Moon in 8th house natives have mothers who were traumatized by their mothers. They need to learn to not be so controlling. They need to learn to let go.

The innocence of Scorpios/8th house placements:

This is my observation that people with 8th house placements or Scorpio placements have something very honest about them. Even if they are angry, there is an honesty in their anger. It's like they have an inner conscience and are in touch with their feelings. If they do something bad, it genuinely makes them feel bad about themselves. For eg, lying to someone actually makes them feel bad about themselves as a person.

These natives are different from most people in the sense that they cannot go to bed to a good night's sleep if they have done something bad to someone. The guilt and shame will eat them from inside and make them feel bad about themselves.

This is one of the reasons why scorpio sign is associated with trust. Honesty is something very important to them. They rather know the truth as it is than paint it or sugarcoat it. Their honesty can be childlike though. Have you seen "the fool" card in tarot deck? A naive and clueless individual who is overtaken by their feelings and exploration:

They can be some of the most reliable and trustworthy people because they can keep your secrets, understand your deep insecurities, be consistent in what they say and do, be deep feelers and empathize, be loyal, possessive, attached. If they do anything against their conscience, their own emotions will eat them alive. This is also why 8th house natives are self aware, do constant self introspection, aware of their emotional patterns, can read psychology of people and quite spiritual in nature. This is the case of a matured 8th house native or scorpio native who has been through self destruction.

Similarly, an immature native can be irrational, emotional fool, jealous, envious, and quite negative. Very negative in fact. I have seen these natives being quite negative in their outlook towards life. There is a sort of pessimism in them. Always expecting the worst possible outcome. Always finding what's bad in a situation. Always seeing the odds of failure. It is probably their life circumstances that expose them to the dark sides of human personality that they become negative and gloomy.

Some astro related life lessons I have learned:

Karma is real. I dont know how karma works but it does work. Karma shows rewards through money, material fulfillment, education, career, relationships, marriage. People with success, fame, power, status, money are reaping fruits of their karma. Conversely, bad karma shows as misfortune, ill health, bad character, failure in life, poverty.

Your karma does not end with you. Your children, their children are also impacted by your actions. If you do fair actions, your future generations will have decent destiny. If you do fucked up actions, your future generations will face the consequences too.

Reading your birth chart is crucial to adjust your expectations from life. For eg, 8th house moon should not expect emotional connection and bonding with mom. 12th house sun should not expect available father. There is no point in having impossible expectations when they are not meant to be fulfilled.

"Pseudoscience" does not make any sense. I have experienced synchronicity, premonition, psychic future telling, tarot predictions, astrology making sense to me. These are called pseudoscience but I call them mysticism. They are as real as my existence. I cannot prove them in a lab but they are valid and valuable to me.

Look where your major placements are and what your life theme has been. My most planets are in 7th and 8th house, and my life has indeed been about romantic relationships, occult, psychology, other people. My dad has major planets in 10th and 11th house, and his life has indeed been about career, money, work, outdoors.

Do not be too influenced by media. I think that media is projection of active imagination + profession. It is a mode of escapism from reality. So many of us are happy to invest money in media to escape our realities. This is the power of mind, imagination and feelings.

Astro helps you identify your personality qualities too. I am 8th house and water dominant, and I am indeed emotionally intense, obsessive, strongly emotional and sensitive. I am sensitive to words and get easily hurt. Since I know this, I create measures to shield myself.

Learn to identify psychology patterns and have confidence in what you see. People will gaslight you "you cannot tell how they are feeling, you are making things up, people are unpredictable". No they are not. People and personalities work on a pattern and you can identify it once you deeply understand yourself. Have confidence in your psychoanalysis abilities. I used to be very wrong about people earlier but now that I have started to understand myself, I can also understand other people and their psychology better. I would also suggest to read on personality disorders. That will really enrich your understanding of emotions, behaviour, reactions people follow.

Do not change yourself if you meet bad people. I personally believe that humans are innately bad people. They are selfish, manipulative, jungle animals. Some people have active badness, some have badness in their shadows as repressed qualities. I do not believe that "all humans are good and just make mistakes because of brain complexity". I believe that people choose to be good people: because they fear consequences of their actions or it makes them feel good about themselves or it is their active personality traits or it is the law and order or the civilization and social manners or it is religion and fear of God or desire for good rebirth. If there were no such constraints, humans would be law of jungle. It is hard work to be a good person. It is much easier to surrender to impulses, commit wrong things, harm others, speak lies.

Why as an 8th house native I no longer believe that "the world is a wonderful place".

Having moon and venus in 8th house and being Scorpio ascendant, I have a crazy emotional world. Extreme sensitivity to tone, words, behaviour; dread betrayal, deception and pretentious behaviour and my own obsessions and ruminations that are that of Borderline Personality Disorder.

8th house not just brings extreme emotions but also extreme, sudden, unexpected, out of nowhere, "what just happened" type of twists and turns to life. When I say extreme, I mean my parent dealing with life threatening disease type of extreme. I don't remember ever having a smooth year in life; every single year of my life so far has been bearer of life changing transformations. Sudden downfall and sudden improvement, just like that.

Me being scientific and atheistic had a love-hate relationship with occult. I was embarrassed to admit that I began exploring astrology as a child. Being judged and called superstitious, backward, uneducated, not modern -- I refrained from using occult to research my life issues but secretly had a fascination and strong attraction to occult subjects naturally. For a long time, I kept doubting myself why would I believe in astrology? And dismissing myself by saying "it is just coincidence, it is just science, there is no mystical meaning involved" and fear of being ridiculed and memified by people, I repressed my occultist desires.

Over the last 4 years, life showed many revelations to me. First, my perception of the world was distorted. I was damn emotional and naive. I was surrounded by narcissists and sociopaths, and oh - I was a people pleaser! It is different than movies. In movies we clearly know who is the protagonist and who is the villain but in real life the evil villains pretend to be heroes. It felt so unfair and unjust. When I could no longer change the outer situations, I was compelled to change my inner life. The only path left to me was to do my own shadow work and to do self realization.

I recall a movie "In this corner of the world" in which Suzu deals with many misfortunes in the event of war and bomb attacks in Japan. She loses her brother, her right hand, her niece, houses around them are shattered, they take shelter underground to protect from bombs, there was shortage of food groceries, they were always afraid of bomb raids and warnings, always afraid of next attack, trying to help those wounded, trying to keep shelter from problems - buckets of water to relinquish the fires, tired and exhausted and frustrated by problems they did not choose but are forced upon them by fate. Her parents die eventually and sister is sick from side effects of bomb. When everything is chaotic, people console themselves by looking at the bright side of life in any way possible. "I am glad... things are not as bad", say people around her. Suzu says to herself  "I don't know what I should be glad about." Suzu goes from a smiling, happy-go-lucky girl who tries to make the best out of a bad situation, to a stone-faced, emotional wreck who can no longer find happiness in life. In the end, she finds "acceptance". Just acceptance of whatever happened. Made peace with her past.

Reference: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/InThisCornerOfTheWorld

PERSONALITY DEVELOPMENT SERIES: For 8th house placements

This series is especially for girls, because that's who I am and can connect to. Since it is astro linked, this is especially true for venus in 8th house/scorpio placements. It can apply to other placements too if you can connect with it. Anyway, what I share on my blog are things I have personally dealt with, so it comes from my heart and soul :)

There is something called "Female Dating Strategy". The first time I read the posts on reddit and elsewhere, it did not make any sense to me. But as I got older and wiser, I could understand everything. Even if you are not interested in dating, venus in 8th house/scorpio ladies, go check out this community. Their tips on self worth, self respect, not being clingy needy emotional will really help you. It is absolute must for venus in 8th house or scorpio because god damn they are emotional, romance obsessed, living in fairytale and taking people at face value.

8th house 💏 Psychology. I have not met a single 8th houser who was not interested in psychology. Even if they did not read books, they were still perceptive, sensitive and emotionally aware. YouTube, blogs, reddit, Quora are full of psychology related testimonials and discussions. You all need to look up what personality disorders cluster A B C mean because feelings are not facts. Just playing mind games is not enough, educate yourself. These natives are the ones to say "Who was looking for a relationship but ended up getting a degree in psychology?"

The ugly truth is that all of us have shadows. If you were born in a narcissistic/borderline family unit, please do not date until you have fixed your shadow. This is why it will help you to do some self actualization, you yandere girls. Dont, dont, dont trust people blindly, not even me.

Beware of old men. No daddy issues please. Old men looking to date young girls because they are gentlemen can go live on mars. Especially for intense women, they will ignore red flags in favour of connection and security. Old men have experience in manipulation and sweet talking. I dont care if your parents were 20 years apart, 8th houser or scorpio are going to learn big lesson if they give themselves blindly to old men. No matter how good they pretend to be. Persona is not reality.

This is it for now.

PERSONALITY DEVELOPMENT SERIES: 8th house and psychosis. Trigger: mental health

This is my understanding of "psychosis" that happens to 8th house natives. I have venus in 8th house & I experienced psychosis. Carl Jung had sun in 8th house, his psychosis is well known. Friedrich Nietzsche was scorpio rising with rahu and moon in 1st house & sun in 12th house in libra. More on this later but today let us discuss psychosis. From my understanding, it is triggered by two things: planet and time period of the house ruler. Venus in 8th psychosis is triggered by romantic relationship. Sun in 8th house by father? Moon in 8th house by mother? My understanding on this is not clear but I have definitely experienced the relationship and mom connection (venus + moon in 8th house). Next comes, time period of 8th house ruler. My 8th house is ruled by Gemini and my psychosis was triggered in mercury antardasha because it probably activated the 8th house. Someone with pisces ruling 8th house will be activated in Jupiter mahadasha or antardasha etc.

What exactly happens during psychosis? Since 8th house is to do with intense emotions, these natives go back and forth highs and lows to the extreme levels throughout the day. Psychosis occurs when they are overwhelmed by the unconscious content and have a weak & insecure ego. It happens either in early youth years or when they have not dealt with a challenge before in life or unprecedented misfortune. For eg, if venus in 8th house is in relationship, she will be her usual rollercoaster emotional ride. 8th house will bring a not suitable person to life. Native is her usual intense self but the romantic lover causes many emotional and mental issues by lying, manipulation, inconsistent behavior etc. This gradually drives the native to emotional distress. There comes a flood of negative emotions in them like extreme anxiety, fear and panic. They start obsessing about the whole thing to the point of mental breakdown. Since they are young, naive, early age or inexperienced, this emotional distress is too mentally and physically draining to live in. It gets harder and harder to live life in a hyper emotional state every day. This is when native starts to isolate herself.

Then occurs psychotic break. It is when the native starts to perceive reality differently and lives in delusions. For eg, delusion like I am pregnant or I am being stalked or somebody is trying to hurt me, seeing mental images of people hurting them and ridiculing them. The last one happened to me. This is very frightening and confusing to native. She does not know how to explain the strange things happening to her.

Then happens spiritual awakening. Something in her pulls her to occult and related things or psychology or therapy or hospital or anything else as per life path. Next step is the reordering of her psychic world which blends delusion and reality. Which means she has to face the trauma from her past and heal herself. Synchronicities begin to happen. Unlearn the trauma and relearn new things. 8th housers are called BRAVE SURVIVORS for this reason.

Depression and psychosis wipe her memory clean. Time to integrate the parts of herself now coming to consciousness. What parts? Shadow, animus, parts of herself she did not know she was, changing the old habits, changing the hobbies, career etc. These things are very crucial to mental development. We often hear "eh school sucks, I hate democracy, why do we have to do job.." but try living in jungle doing nothing & you will realize how system, rituals, patterns, routine, order are very important psychological needs. They are not just manmade institutions but strong psychological impulses.

Time to fix what is broken. Make peace with your childhood trauma. Acknowledge everything you hate in yourself and give it time (months, years) to integrate and heal. Read more about it in books because I cannot go into detail here.

Also, strengthen your ego. Intense women lack strong ego. Ego means self identity. Assertiveness. Stand up for yourself and your rights. Ego means to achieve or try to achieve your highest potential. There is no other way to live a fulfilling life. Ego means to putting yourself first, not being doormat and clingy.

This psychosis is life changing, catastrophic, sudden, unpredictable, similar to death and rebirth. It is the shedding of previous reality and creation of a new reality. It is why 8th housers say "I have lived so many lives in one lifetime."

Once they have overcome this psychosis, their ego is better able to handle next bouts of intense negative emotions and handle them positively with physical, intellectual, mental efforts. They also attract better quality of people in their lives because people can sense their maturity and character. 8th house still brings sudden twists and turns but they are able to handle that.

I personally went from browsing nonsense porn to turning pages of philosophy books. It is total life changing self development work. Painful but very rewarding.

Venus in 8th house & relationship trauma

How many lovers have you had and how many did not give you trauma? When did you start dating, btw?

When it comes to venus in 8th, what comes to my mind is a sex magnet, obsessive and devotional. Stop losing yourself in your lover's hands. There is a desire to merge with and consume their lover. The best way I can think of to describe is like cellular fusion in biology:

Reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karyogamy

There is a lot of intense energy looking for an outlet. If not romance, she will direct this energy in spirituality. But before she will know her spiritual gifts, she will go through relationship trauma.

It can be seen that the most traumatizing lovers were similar to each other. I met the first one at age 13 and next one at 21. Both were similar in appearance & life identity. The first one ruined my teenage years. The last one gave me mental breakdown. Both these "lovers" were the most traumatizing points in my life. I was OBSESSED with both of them. Both were "secretive" and I met them in dark ways suddenly without warning. Both were predatory and manipulative. I idolized them both and put them on a pedestal. I did a lot of ego massage & codependent wife like treatment.

In my mom's bloodline, there is history of mental issues and emotional chaos. When I was 13, I hardly knew anything about life. But when I was 21, my life had evolved and I had a career, family life, hobbies. But I was infantile in the sense that I was impulsive and irrational. I could not stand being single and was OBSESSED with romantic relationships. This trauma was an opportunity to heal my generational trauma & psychological inheritance.

After my mental breakdown, I came across this content:

Some quotes from this book:

Romantic love always consists in the projection of the soul-image. When a woman falls in love it is animus that she sees projected onto the mortal man before her.

No aspect of the human psyche can live in a healthy state unless it is balanced by its complementary opposite. If the masculine mind tries to live without its “other half,” the feminine soul, then the masculine becomes unbalanced, sick, and finally monstrous. Power without love becomes brutality. Feeling without masculine strength becomes woolly sentimentality. When one side of human nature grows out of balance with the other, it becomes a tyranny in the soul.

One of the great paradoxes in romantic love is that it never produces human relationship as long as it stays romantic. It produces drama, daring adventures, wondrous, intense love scenes, jealousies, and betrayals; but people never seem to settle into relationship with each other as flesh-and-blood human beings until they are out of the romantic love stage, until they love each other instead of being “in love".

Jung once quoted a medieval alchemist who said, “Only what is separated may be properly joined.” When two things are muddled together they need to be separated, distinguished, and untangled so that they may later be rejoined in a workable synthesis. This is the correct meaning of “analysis” in psychology; to analyze is to separate out the entangled threads of one’s inner life—the confused values, ideals, loyalties, and feelings—so that they may be synthesized in a new way. We analyze romantic love, not to destroy it, but to understand what it is and where it belongs in our lives. Analysis must always serve synthesis in order to serve life; what is taken apart must be put back together again.

I unlearned all the default things I learned growing up. It was a complete rebirth in the sense of 8th house transformation. The source of my romance obsession was a deep need for self actualization and spirituality. It was a need for looking within and understanding "myself". I talk about "high value woman" but I automatically became a high value woman once I started self actualizing. I was more confident, more assertive, more stable, in control of my emotions, took time to read books, rationalized my feelings rather than be impulsive, analyzed my values, beliefs, character, flaws, failures, weaknesses. I know my insecurities and know how to handle them. It was a journey from a fucked up person to somewhat rational person. I still have my days of chaos but it gets managed.

This is what I suppose 8th house venus looks like. Self destruction and self development. However, is this the last time we go through this.......

Some more 8th house placements observation:

I am running the antardasha of my 8th house ruler since June & have learned a lot of revelations about people around me. Interacting with people, seeing their real faces, seeing the shock and revelations, I was able to see my own shadow too. Sharing some of my shadow work, mistakes and revelations:

🌸 Trust me when I say this, I am Gemini moon, I was the typical funny, entertainer, chatty, comical, animated personality. But my life circumstances were such that I have become dark and introverted. I have learned to live with the injustice and unfairness. I don't seek revenge even. I am numb and indifferent.

🌸 If you are around a known toxic person, do not assume that you are an exception. You are not special to them. They will just treat you like everybody else when the time comes. No exceptions. You're just in their good books until they find someone better to manipulate.

🌸 Goddamn people lie. I am craving to meet a single honest person. People lie so damn much. They lie confidently, with eye contact and even call you a liar even if you have evidence for your truth. They lie about themselves to make themselves look good. No shame, no remorse, nothing at all.

🌸 I had a narcissistic shadow. I was selfish, entitled, victim mindset, attention hungry, entitled but it was covert and hidden due to my low self confidence. I was a low functional narcissist. When I saw bad traits in others then I started fixing myself too. I attracted toxic people because I was a toxic person inside and unknown to me.

🌸 Studying astrology, psychology, archetypes, spirituality has helped me a lot in mental development. But I still meet people who treat me bad even though I treat them good. The difference is that now I have a strong character & do not take things to heart. There is a "myth of normal and healthy". I don't think that human communities can ever be healthy like a utopia.

🌸 The world runs on a pattern. In astro community, I have learned that no matter if you are born in America or Japan or third world, your life theme runs on a similar pattern depending upon your birth chart, placements, etc. There are different models of occult in different countries but all people in the world have a birth chart & they do have similar life themes. Call it genetic model or birth chart, but humans are not different from each other.

🌸 I don't know what happens in afterlife. I do know that whatever we do have consequences. This is karma. Consequences are carried into next lives. They are also inherited by next generations. People can be short sighted and think that their actions will die with them. They don't know that 3 generations later, their great grand child will suffer from cancer because they committed such and such actions stupidly and selfishly.

🌸 Nature is indifferent to pleasure and pain. Sensory pleasure is not happiness either. Happiness is something else.

🌸 I don't know if nirvana or moksha or liberation are possible. I sure do not want to come back to earth again.

🌸 Fire sign placements can be really egoistic, super liars, arrogant bullies. They need to mature the most because their hypocrisy and self centeredness is appalling. The world is not their toy. People are not toys.

🌸 8th house is all about sudden and unpredictable twists in life. One day is peace, next day medical emergency, 3rd day sudden expenses, 4th day betrayal by family member, 5th day sudden loss of money, 6th day encounter with a manipulative person, 7th day sudden money gain, 8th day peace, 9th day again problem. Same happens yearly. Every year is a challenge for them. 8th house placements are hell of a ride.

🌸 Beware of energy suckers. Predatory people love victimhood. I have dealt with victim mindset, feeling sorry for myself, equating sympathy and pity with love for so long. I kept going from one predator to the other. I keep my expectations low while recovering. If someone does something for me it is a pleasant surprise but I did not expect that.

🌸 Finally, life is complicated. Shadow self is a funny thing. I hate traits in others but I have them within me. Hate them or hate myself? Self introspection is a constant journey.

What is Fate?

When we hear of 8th house in astrology, we often hear of "fate", but the question comes what is fate? What exactly is fate? Here trying to think about it:

Fate is something that the native did not intend to happen but it happens anyway = this is why it is called inevitable. Intention leads to thought which leads to action (even if you are not self aware, this is how we work).

Native was preoccupied with some other goal but something else happens that changes the track of life. This is why it feels predetermined.

Any event that drastically changes the life path or/and character of the native. Like a toxic relationship that changes you forever

Free will feels like = I intended it to happen so it happened. But fate feels like = I did not intend this but we are dealing anyway.

Like I was intending X to happen but instead Y happened.

Extremes of good luck (fortune) and/or bad luck (doom) is definitely fate. For eg, suddenly losing loved one/a job. Suddenly gaining a lot of inheritance/a lot of money in lottery/marrying to a rich spouse.

Fate is things which are beyond human control = A deadly cancer tha does not cure. Marrying into royal family. Being born in a rich parents house.

As for the question whether destiny applies to everyone or some people have free will, I don't know really. Some people do seem to have their life under control so their perception is that they have free will. Some people do seem to have bouts of twists and turns so their perception is that life is fated. Not everyone faces extreme events or feelings (8th house placements) so they cannot empathize with others. While some like 8th housers or mature scorpio people feel their feelings too intensely so they can empathize with the dark themes in life. In these subjective perceptions, the objective truth gets lost. Or like Nietzsche said "there are no facts, only interpretations".

As for question if life is predetermined or random or future is not certain yet or future is already happening, again questions are too many. We can hypothesize, believe, hope, experience, debate but the answer is as uncertain as "what happens after death?" "why I was born?" "what makes me, me?" Some intuitive and psychic abilities people tell that we are born to pay off our karmic debts and settle past life accounts. Some say that we keep taking birth in similar family like your brother was your father in past life, your mother was wife etc. Some say that life is complicated than that, the stranger is the bus was your mother in past life, the past life husband is someone you do not even know in this life etc. Some say that we choose our own parents, hardships, life plan, life events before birth. Some try to explain with science that everything that happens in nature is in chain reaction caused by previous triggers. Some explain with psychology that feelings, thoughts, beliefs cause our actions. Some explain with philosophy that determinism is the causal link between action and the outcome of events.

As for question, should 8th housers be depressed and sad because of fated events? No. You could choose to stay depressed and victimized but it is not very good for mental health. It is the law of nature to construct after destruction. It sounds rude to say this to someone who is clearly going through a tough time but look deep within yourself and you will see that little feeling of "influence". This is I think why 8th house is also concerned with psychology. When you study psychology and self introspection yourself, you realize that even in the face of the most painful misfortune, there is some influence that we have. Yes my dear, you read it right. It sounds pretentious to say this because depression is really tough to handle. When you are going through a tough time, things don't make sense, mind stops working, no ideas make sense. If you stick it out and come alive on the other side, you would feel something within you. That inner strength. That inner power. That peace. That ability to handle the next misfortune. That numbness of emotions. Ability to rationalize intense feelings. This little thing is perhaps what we call the essence of life.

Falling in love as a water dominant native

Inner planets (moon/sun/venus/mercury/mars) in a water house or water sign - love is different to you. You want to be with someone with whom you can be yourself and just yourself. Truly yourself. With all your feelings and vulnerabilities laid on the table, you are that safe and secure with your lover.

Water house or water sign placements make the native sensitive. Sensitive is to feel the feelings to their extreme. It is like holding a bubble in your palm, worried someone might pinch it, alert someone might blow it. You do not open yourself up to someone unless you trust their character.

Loyalty and honesty means a lot to you. You want someone as transparent as the water. You want to see through them. While other people look with their eyes, you look with your soul. Your eyes are turned inwards and constantly see the ups and downs of your emotions. Being sensitive and emotional, you are drawn to spirituality and choose your own path in life. You strive for a purpose in life. You want to know why you were born here on earth. You need a sense of mission and direction. You are a giver in love, the more you share your love, the more love there is in the world. You strive for higher principles, morals, meaning and values. You are the ones to turn the pages of philosophy books because the exterior life just does not suit your taste.

You fall in love with your soul. You meet someone and they are just the right person. Your intuition (water) tells you, this is it, you cannot reason why or how this person becomes the most prioritized person in your life. You are naturally obsessive. You are thinking of all the things you want to tell them, share with them, listen to them. Their mind, emotions and soul are your adventure place. You want to explore the depths of their mind. You want to merge your soul and identity with this person in your life.

Love is not just a word to you, it is life itself. Men with water dominant energy appear so ordinary from the outside, but oh-the right person will see the glaciers and ocean behind that mask. This ocean contains the secrets of the world. You want to self actualize with your lover. Someone who assists you in this journey. It is not just a material love to you, it is rather spiritual. You value their soul, their spirit, their essence. Love is a sacrifice to you, a noble cause, a martyr.

Perhaps, love is the language of water dominant natives. It is their religion and their philosophy. You will realize that this love trascends personality and unites with God, the eternal and the source. Nobody loves like a water dominant native, especially an evolved and mature one. They make life heaven, understand your emotional needs with their intuition, love you just the right way, be the best version of themselves, do everything to make your life better. Perhaps, nobody talks about water natives' love because very few experience it and those who experience the mature water love are too busy in self actualizing and transformation. They are too detached from self promotion and fakery.

What is seen cannot be unseen.

The first half of life is when you are unconscious, unaware and ignorant. When the gates of 8th house open, everything you knew about life is revealed to you. On emotional, mental, physical plane, secrets are revealed to you. Secret personalities, secret character, secret identity, lies and manipulation. Mental frameworks are broken, presuppositions are ruined, "everything I knew about the world and people was wrong".

What is seen cannot be unseen. You cannot be the same blindfolded native you were before. How careless, intense and emotional you were. Living on auto pilot. Before you know, your life shatters to pieces. Gifted with sharp intuition, you KNOW you have to transform. Memories of past come up to surface, emotionally overwhelmed and confused by "what just happened", you run towards the door but it seems the force is not in your control. What do I do? Where should i go? Help.. Help! Fear not, synchronicities will guide your way. Fateful detours guide your way. Inner reflection begins, childhood traumas are healed, you have the intuition to see through the mask of people. To the outside world, you appear to be lost and broken. But on the inside, you KNOW you are walking the path you were deatined to walk.

You are just not the same person anymore. You are a wounded healer. Relationships change. You are changed forever. You change your thought patterns, emotional reactions and identity. You begin to control the chaos that once controlled you. People say "you are different now, something has changed in you". You are threatening and fierce. You are resilient and reliable. New life begins, new people enter life, new chapter unfolds.

Deep down in your heart, you remember the person you were before. Longing to be that naive, infantile and careless person. You have seen the bad and the dark. You cannot unsee the bad and the dark. Life does not feel the same anymore.

Self development series: learning to handle life.

For 8th housers, scorpio placements - stretch to cancer, pisces placements and risings.

*knocks* Hello, astro world, it's me.. look at my birth chart please and tell me what's wrong with me? Why is my life a mess..? Why do I attract such narcissistic, controlling, manipulative people in my life? Why do i feel like I dont exist and am constantly transforming..? I have a weird relationship with my family.. I have so much trauma... I just want answers...

Just a regular day in the life of natives with vulnerable placements. Until they heal their trauma (which can take years), they would not know how to handle their life. How to not fuck up their relationships, mood, reactions, career, body, mind. The hidden gift of these natives is to be in touch with their insticts and emotional life. They do not just exist but are in tune with their emotional states. When unevolved, they act on their impulses, feelings, imagination, thoughts mindlessly.

When evolved, they have a conscious control over their impulses, feelings, imagination and fantasies. This is a gradual process, not overnight, and one filled with many trials, challenges and fallings. Contrary to the stereotypes, these natives are not doomed to be crybabies/crazy all their lives. They certainly can handle their life, depending upon the whole chart, timing of planets and the luck.

The trick is to know when to be rational and when to let loose. The trick is to change your lifestyle in such a way as accommodates things you can control. For eg, do not buy tubs of ice cream if you know you binge eat in maniac state. The trick is to live in the flow, be in the flow of life, mindfulness comes naturally to you when you are not giving in to every self destructive impulse. The trick is to set values for yourself. For eg, do not do casual hookup if you know you will get attached and obsessive. The trick is to hold yourself to higher standards of behaviour. The trick is to find fellow similar/compatible placement natives who will make your life a little easier. The trick is to become aware of your own inner narcissist and stop feeding him/her what they crave, instead choose the opposite action.

There is a thin line between chaos and order, that these natives know very well of. Sometimes they feel like they do not belong to this world, they are misfits, as if they want to go back to home. As if they daily life is very harsh and tiresome to them. Beware not to fall into the grips of substance abuse and/or criminal gangs. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your life. You have to live anyway, so why not make it worthwhile?

"Everything of which I know, but of which I am not at the moment thinking; everything of which I was once conscious but have now forgotten; every thing perceived by my senses, but not noted by my conscious mind; and everything which, involuntarily and without paying attention to it, I feel, think, remember, want, and do; all the future things that are taking shape in me and will sometime come to consciousness: all this is the content of the unconscious." - On the Nature of the Psyche, The Structure and Dynamics of the Psyche, CW 8, par. 382.

Surviving Rock Bottom

🌼 For inner planets in 8th house natives; after crisis - before transformation = the stage of neuroses.

🌼 Before every transformation for 8th house natives, they are trapped by neuroses; they shed their skin after neuroses to reborn - this is almost constant in their life, but also happens at least one major rock bottom stage that they must learn to handle. Whatever may be the trigger, these natives face intense emotional crisis. Their life begins to get out of control - heart break, job loss, divorce etc. They fall into a downward spiral of ruminations, before they are consciously aware of it, they spend hours everyday thinking about the past with painful emotional outbursts. Ruminations are repetitive thoughts revisiting the same events from past. As we all know that 8th house placements are hallmark of intergenerational trauma, this crisis is the call for healing. This stage of life is called neuroses; it was also called hysteria in old days.

🌼 Carl Jung has said "in all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order, in all caprice a fixed law for everything that works is grounded on its opposite". The natives are yet to know the reason behind their suffering. Unfortunately, if they are lonely, it can take years for them in rock bottom, spending each passing day in the insanity. It is not so simple to get out of this obsessive rumination for the natives - otherwise they would do it already. They cannot just "choose to not think these thoughts" - this is what makes the rumination so powerful, this is what feels like fate, a doom, a curse.

🌼 The reason why these natives fall into this spiral is the heightened negative feelings. As we know that the 8th house signifies the territory everything that is hidden and unknown. This uncertainty of who they are (lack of sense of self) and where they are going (life path) compels them to seek certainty in life. 8th house placements are unfortunately not gifted with a "sense of self", they feel like invisible energy, like a jellyfish they feel transparent and attach themselves to people, things, interests, addictions and make it their whole personality. When in relationship, they mirror and depend on their "favourite person" for the validation of their existence. This relationship must break at some point in their life because they are also prone to invest themselves in wrong type of people, ignoring red flags and being irrational rather than logical about life choices.

🌼 Apart from astrological view, in the words of science, they are genetically predisposed to such neuroses states. In addition to this, their parents also create disturbing environmental influences for them to develop chronic emotional illnesses. These disorders are inherited - what we call "ancestral karma". 

🌼 When the child never learned emotional regulation from their parents and also genetically prone to neuroses, they recall the negative material, negative "autobiographical memories" of the past and negative emotional state all the time.  Gradually they fall into depressive states, ruminating about the events of childhood and fixating on negative emotions. If you are an 8th house native, you know exactly what it feels like - no words can describe what is only experienced by the fallen hero.

🌼 Some symptoms of this spiritual crisis are 1. Obsessive rumination 2. Compulsive behaviours as a routine 3. Depression 4. Apathy towards life (Nihilism and hopelessness) 5. Negative intrusive thoughts 5. Phobias 6. Perpetual anxiety state.

🌼 Lots of natives go to therapy and hospital in emergency to protect against suicidal ideation, self harm and self destructive addictions. Indeed in such cases, pills and medicines are necessary to rescue the natives from their crisis. However, Carl Jung writes that this crisis is the harbinger of soul transformation. He writes that anxiety is the attempt by psyche to self cure the trauma. He writes to 1. Experience the trauma rather than numb the symptoms with pills; 2. Identify the meaning of neuroses; 3. Understand what the neuroses is trying to tell/teach you; 4. Identify the purpose of neuroses in your life; 5. To go from infantile attitude to psychological development. 

🌼 Unfortunately, I have seen natives with these placements never being able to cure their neuroses and instead fall into lifelong alcohol addiction problems that spoiled their family life and caused many miseries like road accident and early death. This shows how powerful and strong the anxiety is. If they belong to below middle class sections in society, they can even end up homeless and helpless (though 8th house is also connected with other people's money  so they could be supported by spouse income or parental income).

🌼 There are some reasons why natives fail to get out of neuroses or delay it: 1. Laziness; 2. Lack the courage to face the challenge of life; 3. Lack of awareness or support system; 4. Fear of change. Though this is not a definite list. Never underestimate the power of neuroses; 8th house transformation doesn't always mean "something beautiful is born out of the mess". A lot of natives simply "transform for the worse" - they do not improve, they do not actualize, they just remain there in self destructive cycles. It is that scary. It is survivorship bias to assume that all 8th house planets will become spiritual and awakened - a lot of them do not and we never hear their story. So, if you are one of those who find themselves near self awakening, please grab the opportunity and get your life on track.

🌼 Therefore, it is crucial to understand that this neuroses is the urge to develop your own personality. It is a call to change your attitude towards life, to change your way of life, to not conform to the herd mentality, to focus your energy on living in the world rather than in your head, to attain psychological independence from your parents, to contribute to community as a responsible worker, to find a purpose in life. It is the call to do self actualization and attain self knowledge, although it is dressed like a nightmare with a hidden gift.

🌼 Do not waste anymore of your energy on internal conflicts, reliving the past memories and processing the trauma that happened to you. There is only one choice in life - to move forward or to regress to the immature and infantile mode again. Your are intuitive, you KNOW the answers in your heart. I always read about the "transformations" of 8th house natives but never really found an answer for what exactly transformation means? Is it magic?  Or is it some legitimate process? I finally found the answer.

This video describes the concept:

Here is quotes from the video:

“What direction the patient’s life should take in the future is not ours to judge. We must not imagine that we know better than his own nature, or we would prove ourselves educators of the worst kind…It is better to renounce any attempt to give direction, and simply to try to throw into relief everything that the analysis brings to light, so that the patient can see it clearly and be able to draw suitable conclusions. Anything he has not acquired himself he will not believe in the long run, and what he takes over from authority merely keeps him infantile. He should rather be put in the position to take his own life in hand.” - Carl Jung, Some Crucial Points in Psychoanalysis

“Only boldness can deliver from fear. And if the risk is not taken, the meaning of life is somehow violated, and the whole future is condemned to hopeless staleness.” - Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation

This transformation can take years and this is the rebirth of the Phoenix. Rising from the ashes into a new life. Starting from scratch. Shedding old skin. Burning bridges. Reborn. So many names.