Oh No. People Who Are Healing And Coping Are Happy With The Fact That They're Healing And Coping. What

Oh no. People who are healing and coping are happy with the fact that they're healing and coping. What a terrible thing. They must all immediately keel over in shame and die.

(By the way the legal definition of child pornography pertains only to pornography depicting and involving real life children.)

it would be a little easier if the people who were "coping with childhood sexual abuse" by making content that is perfectly described as "child pornography" seemed a little less gleeful about it. But what do I know.

Fiction does not affect reality in that what happens in fiction is not real. As in, cause in fiction does not result in affect within reality. It is not a 1:1 cause/affect scenario.

As in, if I write a piece of fiction about slapping someone, I have not, in fact, actually slapped them. Nor will they read it and feel the pain of being slapped.

Fictional action =/= real-life response.

We are neither lying nor ignoring anything. Representation in movies also has literally nothing to do with that argument. It has everything to do with real life classism and racism being perpetrated within a real-life industry.

(Because fiction does not exist without being created by someone or multiple persons. And as such, fiction is the victim of the mindset of its creator(s).)

Similarly, literally all of your arguments in the following paragraph:

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

Also relate to the exact same point. You're taking a tagline and trying to associate it with something completely different. You're taking separation of fictional content to real-life actions and values and trying to apply it to the broader spectrum of real-life societal issues and influence.

"If you can't write women..."

Author issue.

"Only depict characters of color as stereotypes..."

Author prejudice.

"Write disabled people only ever as horror...."

Common ableist association in media production.

Absolutely nobody is saying that media and media production are not tainted by or victims of societal and personal prejudice in real life. But what we're also not saying is that that is equitable to fanfiction and fictional literature/artwork you simply think is objectionable or 'icky.'

People creating works of fiction that perpetrate ableist, racist, sexist or homophobic virtues, ideals or stereotypes is not a fiction issue. Its a person issue.

Neither is anyone saying you can't have personal objections to certain topics, themes or content, which is what you're trying to conceal behind the freedom to 'criticise.' Criticism is not aggressively attacking people over what they read or write.

Getting real fucking sick of the “Fiction doesn’t affect reality” and “Fictional characters aren’t real so whatever I do to them doesn’t matter” people

Like they’re just fucking lying and ignoring Very fucking big important ways those are wrong

Fiction Does affect reality why the fuck else would people want good minority rep so fucking bad? Why else would there be people who‘s first step to overcoming their bigotry be fictional characters? You get shows about fictional characters made for all types of different demographics get called propaganda because fiction fucking affects reality.

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

And just because you‘re jacking off to it doesn‘t fucking protect it from criticism. If you can only treat a type of person as something to get off too yeah you will be labeled as a piece of shit. Please don‘t tell me we need Another fucking run down on the ways the Ger/udo from tIoz are racist even if you‘re jizzing over belly dancer outfit Link

Fiction doesn‘t exist in a vacuum. Sure no one has to read your incest fanfiction but don‘t fucking act like just because it‘s fiction it is free from being criticized on it‘s premise or depiction. And if you think it should you better never open your goddamn mouth to criticize any depiction of anything in fiction.

In case it wasn't clear:

Yes. Even as a proshipper, I firmly believe every single person creating content that has the potential to be unpleasant, triggering or upsetting should be responsible for making sure it can't be seen as much as they have the right to spaces where it can be seen.

It is your personal choice not to bother with things like tags or applying content markers.

But then you lose the right to be angry or upset when people complain about being exposed to your content with limited or no ways to avoid it.

Again. The Salmon Analogy.

You don't have to eat the salmon.

But its in both our best interests for me to be blatant about which dishes contain salmon specifically so you don't eat the salmon.

(And its in everyone's best interests to start bullying websites and services into giving us better tools to make sure this symbiotic relationship works.)

in light of that ask you got, i just wanna say- as a CSEM victim, there is nothing more ridiculously fucking disrespectful than people who call drawings of fictional characters "drawn CP". i hope everyone who does this, and especially people who send you threats over telling them that's wrong, is ashamed of themselves. thanks for doing what you do.

The unfortunate reality is that I can genuinely understand the perspective a lot of antis have. We grow up being told things are irrevocably bad with absolutely no nuance, and it sets us up for failure in circumstances like these unless we choose to do our own research and investigations and are willing to educate ourselves out of the blanket statements and ignorance we were raised in.

Most antis have the perspective that victims who don't decry fiction are simply damaged or changed or converted by their trauma, and thus lose their validity and right to a voice when we contest that actually, what they're doing isn't protecting us. Its harming us. By their opinions and actions we are no longer 'worthy' victims.

It did make me laugh a little that that person outright said with their entire heart that an organisation that's been dealing with actually protecting children and victims for literal decades isn't right or valid for stating that fictional content does not violate any law and is not morally or otherwise classified as CP.

Because. Y'know. Its their job to decide what is and isn't. And to prosecute and protect.

And the thing is... Even if the drawings are being made by a genuine, actual pedophile... I still don't see the issue. They're using art as an outlet and a coping mechanism to avoid harming real people. Are all those antis telling me they'd rather pedophiles harm real children?

Having a proper outlet does not encourage harm. Trying to bottle up your desires with no release does. There's a reason almost every single in-patient treatment facility and prison have art or literature as a therapy program.

If I know it would stop someone harming a real life child, I'd buy them the whole fucking art store.

Also, yeah. Having real life harm equated to fictional characters and art is so blatantly disrespectful its unreal. If you're trying to tell me what I went through is no more suffering than what a piece of paper or digital screen went through, you're telling me I have no more value than something that doesn't even exist.

By the way, no.

Fictional smut, be it literature or art, involving fictional characters who are children, is not child pornography because they are not actual children.

Hope this helps.

Stop watering down child pornography and its genuine horrors by trying to tell victims that made up little beings have the same rights as they do.

When people tell you its dangerous and dehumanizing to equate fictional people to real ones, listen to them.

"Its so hard picking between X and Y ships!"

You pick between ships?? You only ship one ship per character?? You limit yourself on ships??