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I'd really like to address the Jaws part of this, because I actually have a post regarding that in my drafts ready to go, but OP makes a very valid, brilliant statement:

It didn't cause shark attacks to rise. It caused fear.

Jaws had no actual impact on sharks in terms of what the sharks did. Jaws didn't inherently increase the danger level of sharks. That stayed exactly the same. Sharks did as they've always done; existed in the ocean and occasionally hunted food that turned out to be a person. Because they're sharks and we chose to be thrashing, yummy prey in their natural habitat.

What Jaws did cause is a widespread misconception about that danger. Which resulted in voluntary human action. We, as people, actively chose to decide this risk factor was suddenly tenfold, and we had to mitigate it by immediately going out and killing as many sharks as we possibly could to reduce it again.

Except. It never changed. Because again; the risk was always exactly the same. And likewise; it didn't actually remove the risk at all. There's still sharks. We're still going in the ocean.

You choose to swim in the ocean, there might be hungry sharks that mistake you for brunch.

And that's not even touching on other arguments like intent and indirect influence.

I just feel like Pete Davidson’s SNL monologue shows the whole proshipping discourse boiled down to the most fundament difference between pros and antis.

Because like.

We have his sister, sitting down to watch GoT with him, and she is a person who has a very clear understanding of fiction vs reality. So when Pete starts getting all puritanical over how the villains are twincesting right in front of their eyes, she’s just like “well, it’s not real, you know.” And he jokes that he’s thinking “am I about to bang this chick?”

That is a direct quote from him, btw.

So there we have it. Sister understands that GoT is fiction, and that fucked up things happening in the fiction we consume does not mean we want to do those fucked up things. And Pete goes “oh, she’s ok with fictional incest in a TV show, clearly my sister would want to fuck me.”

And I get it, it’s a joke. But it’s a joke that so clearly shows the disconnect all this shipping discourse and dark themes in fiction discourse and… and it’s just. That disconnect.

And I don’t know if the antis will ever wrap their minds around “fiction isn’t reality” and before anyone brings up Jaws let me say I KNOW. But also: Jaws didn’t cause shark attacks to rise. It caused fear. Which is what a scary movie is supposed to do. It did it well because thalassophobia is fucking real. Not because sharks are wanton killing machines. Because it was tapping into a primal fear that most of us experience to some level.

Fiction does not affect reality in that what happens in fiction is not real. As in, cause in fiction does not result in affect within reality. It is not a 1:1 cause/affect scenario.

As in, if I write a piece of fiction about slapping someone, I have not, in fact, actually slapped them. Nor will they read it and feel the pain of being slapped.

Fictional action =/= real-life response.

We are neither lying nor ignoring anything. Representation in movies also has literally nothing to do with that argument. It has everything to do with real life classism and racism being perpetrated within a real-life industry.

(Because fiction does not exist without being created by someone or multiple persons. And as such, fiction is the victim of the mindset of its creator(s).)

Similarly, literally all of your arguments in the following paragraph:

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

Also relate to the exact same point. You're taking a tagline and trying to associate it with something completely different. You're taking separation of fictional content to real-life actions and values and trying to apply it to the broader spectrum of real-life societal issues and influence.

"If you can't write women..."

Author issue.

"Only depict characters of color as stereotypes..."

Author prejudice.

"Write disabled people only ever as horror...."

Common ableist association in media production.

Absolutely nobody is saying that media and media production are not tainted by or victims of societal and personal prejudice in real life. But what we're also not saying is that that is equitable to fanfiction and fictional literature/artwork you simply think is objectionable or 'icky.'

People creating works of fiction that perpetrate ableist, racist, sexist or homophobic virtues, ideals or stereotypes is not a fiction issue. Its a person issue.

Neither is anyone saying you can't have personal objections to certain topics, themes or content, which is what you're trying to conceal behind the freedom to 'criticise.' Criticism is not aggressively attacking people over what they read or write.

Getting real fucking sick of the “Fiction doesn’t affect reality” and “Fictional characters aren’t real so whatever I do to them doesn’t matter” people

Like they’re just fucking lying and ignoring Very fucking big important ways those are wrong

Fiction Does affect reality why the fuck else would people want good minority rep so fucking bad? Why else would there be people who‘s first step to overcoming their bigotry be fictional characters? You get shows about fictional characters made for all types of different demographics get called propaganda because fiction fucking affects reality.

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

And just because you‘re jacking off to it doesn‘t fucking protect it from criticism. If you can only treat a type of person as something to get off too yeah you will be labeled as a piece of shit. Please don‘t tell me we need Another fucking run down on the ways the Ger/udo from tIoz are racist even if you‘re jizzing over belly dancer outfit Link

Fiction doesn‘t exist in a vacuum. Sure no one has to read your incest fanfiction but don‘t fucking act like just because it‘s fiction it is free from being criticized on it‘s premise or depiction. And if you think it should you better never open your goddamn mouth to criticize any depiction of anything in fiction.

Oh no. People who are healing and coping are happy with the fact that they're healing and coping. What a terrible thing. They must all immediately keel over in shame and die.

(By the way the legal definition of child pornography pertains only to pornography depicting and involving real life children.)

it would be a little easier if the people who were "coping with childhood sexual abuse" by making content that is perfectly described as "child pornography" seemed a little less gleeful about it. But what do I know.

I’m tired of people making awareness posts about big names like the voice actor Tara Strong and include her internet posts over fictional characters along with some more concerning stuff, such as her support for PETA, Autism speaks or Israel

Making weird posts about fictional cousins kissing in 2014 is not important. Being a troll over the characters she voiced is not important. Stuff like this doesn’t automatically make her a bad person.

but the rest of the stuff mentioned however is important, and her support for all of them makes her a bad person. Just focus on that if you want to make awareness posts

Unfortunately most people will scramble to collect any minute piece of "evidence" they can against someone in order to try and solidify their claims and force people to agree with their campaign. Often this will include anything from their taste in music to the books they read/write.

Modern internet culture is placing far too much weight on what people like as a determining factor in what kind of person they are or defining them as a person.

The best thing to do in situations like that is counter the information. Force people to address the actual points within the posts, rather than the unnecessary information. Force the conversation the stay on certain subjects and allow those to overshadow what is irrelevant.

https://www.tumblr.com/myfandomrealitea/754160247551197184/as-an-ex-anti-i-feel-a-little-bad-because-i-only?source=share

I stopped being an anti because I was bored so I made a proship acc (not to expose people and harass them, just out of boredom /gen) and found out my #1 fav artist was a proshipper so I kept tha blog for a few more weeks just to interact with them more... 😂

and the more I came into proship spaces the more I realized how harmful anti spaces were. I was constantly stressed, and worried about getting harassed for my oc being gay due to childhood sexual trauma and many other things.

(btw me n my fav artist are friends now.)

I love asks like this. I'm so glad you got yourself out of that harmful space and even found a friendship to boot.

Honestly; a lot of people don't actually realize how harmful the more extremist/active 'anti' community is. If you're living in constant fear of doing the 'wrong thing' or constant fear that you're next, that you'll be harassed or called out or harmed, it is not safe. It is not healthy.

There's no right or wrong way to 'become' proship. There's no obligations to interact with content you don't enjoy if you do, either.

hey, same person who sent in the ask about pro-ship and 'anti' definitions and such -

(sorry if this is incomprehensible i'm tail end of an all-nighter and my brain is fried lol) thank you, reading through it makes a lot of things make sense, and honestly, I definitely do find myself on the 'neutral' or therefore pro-ship side (as it appears to be), or just that "live and let live" idea. writing a fic about an abusive relationship doesn't make you an abuser or an awful person, and its always been so strange to me how people will say that 'writing it means you are it', to put it loosely. i have my own personal limits in how I like to consume and portray these things, but i literally have zero qualms if someone else's limits and tastes are different than mine because 1) not my business 2) nobody's holding a gun to me head to make me consume their content 3) doesn't mean they're an awful person who ought to be arrested or however some people make it out to be. if someone writes a rape fic that's between them, their audience and the google doc it was written on. it also kinds ties in to the whole idea of censorship and my opinions on it for me, with how vague some people seem to be about it - if you're calling to ban all fics that "romanticize abuse", that itself can be abused to take down the works of queer or disabled people, people who are open about different types of relationships, etc etc. what i'm trying to say is if you try to ban any fic like that, you're probably also going to ban fics of people in poly relationships, or who have an unusual kink that you don't like, because it's vague enough to be able to suppress people. am i making sense here? probably not, but I do hope you get what I'm saying here, sincerest apologies for my incessant rambling.. it's just been a long, long time since I've been able to say these views that I hold (I don't think I ever have, actually. Not to this extent anyway).

thank you, thank you very much. definitely going to be sticking around this blog for a while, I think ^^

What you've described is effectively being pro-ship. However, there's no obligation to use labels. SALS is still a somewhat popular acronym and there is also profiction, which a lot of people are more comfortable with using to describe how they relate to fiction vs reality. Fandom spaces are all down to the individual.

I'm glad I could help you better your understanding, give you a space to speak openly, and I never mind rambling or long messages.

It confuses me when people say they're "neutral" on the pro/anti issue. Aside from seeming dismissive, the strange part is that most of these folks actually do share the same beliefs as pro-shippers -- understanding that fiction isn't real, not harassing others over fiction, and being against censorship, etc -- but they don't acknowledge it for some reason? Because by saying that they don't harass other people over fiction and understand that fiction is separate from reality, they are agreeing with pro-shippers.

But then they supposedly don't "care" enough to "pick a side". Alright, so, why are you here? By commenting on pro-ship posts about how neutral you are, you are still getting involved. By saying, "I won't pick a side because [I think the fact that it's a problem in the first place is ridiculous since it's just fiction, come on now,]" you are sharing the exhausted sentiments of pro-shippers! We agree with you. We're also fed up with it!

(Sorry for rambling. Love your blog!)

A lot of it stems from not wanting to be associated with the concept of proshipping that anti-propaganda has perpetrated. The word 'proship' is a massive target on someone's back which has become synonymous for some people with things like pedophile and abuse apologist.

"Not caring enough to pick a side" can often be translated to "I support this one side, but not enough to open myself up to abuse and harassment on its behalf."

It can also be translated as "I support this side, but not enough to spend my time arguing about it with people."

All of which are valid stances to have. I'm friends with people who are both engaged and passive about proshipping.

someone was sharing info on how to keep yourself and also kids in general safe online, their sources came from credible orgs like RAINN and an anti reblogged the post and went “that’s great and all but I won’t share because this is proshipper rhetoric”

This is just kind of sad. They really think information about online safety is wrong

recently a Youtuber with a popular warrior cat fandom posted a video detailing the living characters family trees. 1. Because people wanted it and 2. To "avoid" the ppl shipping the cats that are related..

If you have a fandom I feel like you have to accept the fact ppl are gonna be "problematic" this is. A bit much lmao. Like look at Kim Possible

Ooh, I'll have to find it again but I had an argument with an anti the other week because they were doxxing people and posting their accounts for people to 'block and bully' and when I told them they really shouldn't do that they said:

"Can you really blame me for not wanting to share a fandom with these people?"

Ma'am you do not have a choice. Use the block button and curate your own space.

i've recently started drawing ship content for an age gap/timeskip version of characters of a popular fandom. people on twitter are really keen on giving me free engagement because they are quote tweeting it crying about how gross it apparently is; / "free the characters" / mentioning my age (over 30) and what i ship. i'm enjoying it because it's a free block list and i can bet these people have followers who are into it, just too shy to say it. they are spreading the post far wider than i could ever on my own.

I really do love when antis unwittingly boost proshippers and the people/content they hate. Hilarious karma and universal balance in action. Someone warned me recently that an anti had screenshot my posts and was spreading them around and that same week I had a 113% engagement boost and 20+ new followers.

We live in the age of algorithms. For better or worse.

where the hell are minor proshippers supposed to go?? like just not post or make anything till they 18 or

The unfortunate reality is that a lot of proshipping revolves around adult topics and topics which are largely, by law, age restricted. Exposing minors to or engaging with minors regarding or even providing minors with access to such things can come at a very real, very legal cost.

And yes, yes. I know. Minors aren't fragile little glass things who shouldn't know about kink and sex until they're 80, but the law is the law, and even the people who acknowledge that someone who is 17 is absolutely looking at porn and having sex do not want to be thrown in jail or fined.

That and muppets on the internet will see anyone over the age of 18 interacting even casually with someone under the age of 18 and start dragging them across the internet as a rampant pedophile, so.

That said, there are a fair few minor-friendly proshipper based or friendly blogs also. You just have to sift through and look for them, and I do highly recommend thoroughly checking them out and keeping a hawk's eye on them because a lot of the time they're "infiltrated" by people looking to deliberately cause trouble.

This is a common complaint minors in fandom spaces as a whole have (which is vastly understandable). I'm considering creating a masterlist of minor-safe spaces and blogs potentially in the future.

the whole “fiction doesn’t affect reality” argument is actually kinda racist…

Things that work in fiction but not real life

torture getting reliable information out of people

knocking someone out to harmlessly incapacitate them for like an hour

jumping into water from staggering heights and surviving the fall completely intact

calling the police to deescalate a situation

rafting your way off a desert island

correctly profiling total strangers based on vibes

effectively operating every computer by typing and nothing else

ripping an IV out of your arm without consequences

heterosexual cowboy

Reblogging specifically for the ones who harass my fellow Ereri's and I

This has been a PSA.

Barbie Fun Fact

Barbie ballet movies vs real life ballet.

For some lay people on the subject, in ballet there is a specific type of lacing for the straps of the shoes, and in today's post we will check the laces of the shoes in Barbie ballet movies!

You may be asking yourself "how do you mean correct lashing?" The image below will answer that:

Without further ado, let's get to the shoes!

Nutcracker, Swan Lake and Pink Shoes, They are correct! (Apart from the fact that the pink shoes are the wrong color, and in the movie we know why)

And we have the 12 Dacing Princesses

But, this may have an explanation! As we know 12 Dancing Princesses is not a ballet originally, and this may have reflected the ninth film. In addition, the wrong way of lacing the shoes can mean the way that the 12 princesses are different and more independent, not following rules, as they are shown in the film, being treated like savages, without label.

Do you like this Fun Fact? Heart, reblog and follow me for more! 🩰🌷

It’s funny thinking of All the times I was called “intimidating” in the past due to my art.

Then when they get to know me they’re extremely underwhelmed due to how much of a baby i am.

I can draw blood and dead people, but the second I see roadkill I wanna cry and run away.