I Was Just Thinking About How Important It Is To Have Authors (both Fan And Professional) With Whom I

I was just thinking about how important it is to have authors (both fan and professional) with whom I feel... safely unsafe, if that makes sense.

Like, this is going to hurt, there are going to be things that happen to these characters that I absolutely Do Not Want to happen, but I trust you and I trust this ride.

Fiction does not affect reality in that what happens in fiction is not real. As in, cause in fiction does not result in affect within reality. It is not a 1:1 cause/affect scenario.

As in, if I write a piece of fiction about slapping someone, I have not, in fact, actually slapped them. Nor will they read it and feel the pain of being slapped.

Fictional action =/= real-life response.

We are neither lying nor ignoring anything. Representation in movies also has literally nothing to do with that argument. It has everything to do with real life classism and racism being perpetrated within a real-life industry.

(Because fiction does not exist without being created by someone or multiple persons. And as such, fiction is the victim of the mindset of its creator(s).)

Similarly, literally all of your arguments in the following paragraph:

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

Also relate to the exact same point. You're taking a tagline and trying to associate it with something completely different. You're taking separation of fictional content to real-life actions and values and trying to apply it to the broader spectrum of real-life societal issues and influence.

"If you can't write women..."

Author issue.

"Only depict characters of color as stereotypes..."

Author prejudice.

"Write disabled people only ever as horror...."

Common ableist association in media production.

Absolutely nobody is saying that media and media production are not tainted by or victims of societal and personal prejudice in real life. But what we're also not saying is that that is equitable to fanfiction and fictional literature/artwork you simply think is objectionable or 'icky.'

People creating works of fiction that perpetrate ableist, racist, sexist or homophobic virtues, ideals or stereotypes is not a fiction issue. Its a person issue.

Neither is anyone saying you can't have personal objections to certain topics, themes or content, which is what you're trying to conceal behind the freedom to 'criticise.' Criticism is not aggressively attacking people over what they read or write.

Getting real fucking sick of the “Fiction doesn’t affect reality” and “Fictional characters aren’t real so whatever I do to them doesn’t matter” people

Like they’re just fucking lying and ignoring Very fucking big important ways those are wrong

Fiction Does affect reality why the fuck else would people want good minority rep so fucking bad? Why else would there be people who‘s first step to overcoming their bigotry be fictional characters? You get shows about fictional characters made for all types of different demographics get called propaganda because fiction fucking affects reality.

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

And just because you‘re jacking off to it doesn‘t fucking protect it from criticism. If you can only treat a type of person as something to get off too yeah you will be labeled as a piece of shit. Please don‘t tell me we need Another fucking run down on the ways the Ger/udo from tIoz are racist even if you‘re jizzing over belly dancer outfit Link

Fiction doesn‘t exist in a vacuum. Sure no one has to read your incest fanfiction but don‘t fucking act like just because it‘s fiction it is free from being criticized on it‘s premise or depiction. And if you think it should you better never open your goddamn mouth to criticize any depiction of anything in fiction.

Can you imagine trying to explain to a medieval peasant that someone wants to beat you to death with a rock because you believe people can separate songs/literature/art from real life actions?

Actually, you're right!

Although I disagree with 'extremely public' (because literally any online website is inherently 'extremely public') I firmly believe in the curation of content via tags and filters.

Personally, I would love it if tags, filters and content markers were obligatory. They are mutually beneficial in that they can show and hide content depending on the preference of the individual using those tags, filters and markers.

Hoping you make someone feel guilty is a strange one, though. Especially since without all the vitriol and pearl clutching, you actually have a pretty good point, and one that is actually aligned with a value a lot of proshippers themselves have.

I am fully aware that something such as incest is not what everyone enjoys. I am fully aware that there are a lot of people who would prefer not to be exposed to content regarding incest.

As such, I heavily advocate for the common-spread use of, and personally use, tags, filters and content markers.

Making sure you can't see something that is unpleasant, upsetting or triggering is as important to me as being able to find content I enjoy and help others who enjoy it find it too.

However, what I do find interesting, and perhaps something for everyone to think about, is that you are clearly placing blame and accountability solely on individuals and small creators, and I bet mainstream media wasn't even in your consideration when you made this post.

For example; Game of Thrones.

No warnings. No filters. No content markers. Incest, rape, pedophilia and murder on a free-for-all for anyone to access.

How many streaming platforms offer you the opportunity to filter out any content involving such topics? Without switching to the 'children's' platform?

How many TV shows and movies give you a little pre-episode warning screen telling you that X topic will be depicted in the episode?

How many official platforms offer the chance to filter or avoid certain themes and topics?

How many websites offer the chance to filter content explicitly by topic and not just an en-masse 'mature content' flag?

Certainly, far less than websites geared toward fan and individual based content. Tumblr offers me more filters than Twitter. AO3 offers more filters than Wattpad.

Individuals and small creators take more consideration in regards to tagging and filtering than the mainstream media industry ever has. While its fairly important to remind individuals and small creators of the importance of tags and filters, surely, its a more pressing issue to remind the mainstream media industry?

If you have the time to sit around making guilt-trip posts on Tumblr, you have the time to send an email to a major movie studio or create a petition or email Netflix.

I feel like people forget incest victims exist in real life and you may not want to make your incest fan content extremely public with zero filter. A lot of people treat incest as a joke but it's actually so fucked up because family is who you're told to trust so the level of betrayal and disgust is unimaginable. I hope I made someone feel guilty with this post 👍

Oh no. People who are healing and coping are happy with the fact that they're healing and coping. What a terrible thing. They must all immediately keel over in shame and die.

(By the way the legal definition of child pornography pertains only to pornography depicting and involving real life children.)

it would be a little easier if the people who were "coping with childhood sexual abuse" by making content that is perfectly described as "child pornography" seemed a little less gleeful about it. But what do I know.

In case it wasn't clear:

Yes. Even as a proshipper, I firmly believe every single person creating content that has the potential to be unpleasant, triggering or upsetting should be responsible for making sure it can't be seen as much as they have the right to spaces where it can be seen.

It is your personal choice not to bother with things like tags or applying content markers.

But then you lose the right to be angry or upset when people complain about being exposed to your content with limited or no ways to avoid it.

Again. The Salmon Analogy.

You don't have to eat the salmon.

But its in both our best interests for me to be blatant about which dishes contain salmon specifically so you don't eat the salmon.

(And its in everyone's best interests to start bullying websites and services into giving us better tools to make sure this symbiotic relationship works.)