The Fact That We're Slowly Losing The Understanding That If We Want More Of Something Like A TV Show

The fact that we're slowly losing the understanding that if we want more of something like a TV show or a type of merch we have to support it is. Astonishing, honestly.

People are demanding to know why they should have to spend money on X or tweet about Y or leaving ratings and reviews on Z and why can't they just get more of it without having to do anything for it and each time I want to shake them and tell them that its a transaction.

Studios don't make movies for free. Creators don't make merchandise for free. If a TV show has dirt-low numbers, the service is going to cancel it so it stops making a loss and can funnel resources into something more popular.

I cannot stress this enough. If you want something to succeed and if you want more of something, you absolutely have to engage with it and support it and push for more.

Creator and fan relationships are transactions. The creator gives you the content in exchange for things like your money, your ratings and your views.

Fandom racism happens because people are racist. The whole "oh but you were mean to me so I have to be mean to an entire marginalized group" like no. You're just racist

We're not discussing racism or retaliatory racism. I'm assuming you're referencing my recent Madney posts, so I'll clarify.

I'm talking about re-imaginings of canon events within the show that explore different takes and perspectives. Madney fans in particular seem to have an automatic habit of going for the jugular of any author who doesn't strictly present Chimney/Maddie/Madney exactly as seen in the show, often with wild accusations that have left permanent scars in the fandom.

When I say that creative liberty and freedom will get you sniped by Madney fans, I am quite obviously not talking about actual racism and scenarios such as the fallout from last year when a handful of racists were using fanfiction in order to perpetuate racism.

I'm talking about exploration of alternate canon. You can devise scenarios that aren't in the favor of a character without it having ill-intent. You can villainise a character for the narrative without it coming from hate.

For example; I adore Buck. He's my boy. My little sunshine idiot. I've also written fanfiction where he's a ruthless killer that does unspeakable things simply for the thrill of it. Does that mean I hate him? No. He's the villain, but that's the whole purpose of the story. To explore that alternate narrative of what Buck would be if he wasn't the Buck in the show.

I'm not stating he behaves this way in the show. I'm not using the narrative as an excuse to attack who he is, his skin color, ect.

But that's an understanding that I've noticed a lot of Madney fans are unwilling to accept. And not even when its exclusively relevant to Chimney and Maddie, either.

What I referred to in my last post about spite fic was additional fanfiction written on top of existing fanfiction out of spite for hate posts about the existing fanfiction. For example;

Let's say you write watersports. Someone who is not a fan of watersports comments on your work and tells you its disgusting and you should delete it. Instead, you write another fic about watersports.

Likewise, that's exactly what we've seen happen multiple times in the 911 fandom over various scenes and canon events. There's always a witch hunt through recent fanfiction after something happens in an episode, which spirals into a tangled mess of spite fics and 100+ posts of people arguing.

People who want to explore canon material outside of canon aren't going to let the people who believe in rigid canon chokehold them or throw around biased accusations.

My point is; sometimes you simply have to understand that there will always be fanfiction you dislike or disagree with, and that its not healthy to spend your time actively witch-hunting authors and dumping constant shit all over any type of content you don't agree with.

If an author sees someone falsely accusing them of hate, bigotry, ect, they're going to defend themselves. And then it devolves into a public argument that drags people in like a vortex and ruins everything. It keeps happening in the 911 fandom in a vicious cycle that, for a while actually, killed off a lot of the fan count. I know a vast amount of blogs that stepped away from the fandom because people, mostly Madney-based blogs, just couldn't let go or leave people alone.

If your blog is mostly just you shitting all over anything and everything that other people make in your fandom, ask yourself why you're even active in the fandom space in the first place. If you're truly not happy, maybe its time to look elsewhere, or maybe its time to start utilizing the tools provided to ensure you're tailoring your fandom experience to the things you do want to see.

I did, I can, and I will continue to do so for as long as your intention is to simply spout nonsense accusations and baseless arguments that don't actually further any discussion or have any point beyond you completely ignoring the basis of a post and using it as a sounding board to claim that fanfiction is equal to actual pedophilia. Lurking on a post and commenting aggressive, petulant, false information is not something I am willing to entertain.

I'm also going to refer you to this post.

In regards to it 'not being very anti-censorship of me'; in the radical sense, no, it might not be. But your little whining vent is both nothing that hasn't already been said and nothing I am obligated to provide you with a space to say. I removed your comment because unlike some of the other opposing comments on the post, it had nothing of value to add.

If you have something of actual significance, consideration or value to say, or if you'd like to have an actual discussion about each of our views, the available information and evidence, and the basis of the post, then by all means. I'm here.

Otherwise, you're perfectly welcome to make your own post in order to sound off your opinion.

omg so true about the 911 thing!! don’t they get exhausted?? I’m certainly exhausted by seeing them blast fics they don’t agree with continuously

I can honestly say its reached the point where if I see a discourse post about 911's fans and fan content, I know its a Madney blog before I even look at the URL.

Its perfectly fine to generally disagree with what someone has written, or to dislike what they have written. But the solution to that is to simply move on and not read it. Everyone would happier that way.

Fanfiction is like food. Its personal. Everyone has different tastes. If someone is eating food or making food you don't like, you are under no obligation to eat it and you certainly have no right to demand that they stop cooking/eating.

Literally no proshipper who isn't actually an abuser using an online community would ever say these things. These are just your bad faith mocking interpretations of actual statements.

Celebrities have every right to feel uncomfortable with 'violent incest porn.' That's why the people who write it do, and should do, their best to ensure that it never leaves fandom spaces. With any RPF there's a general rule of not directly involving the people it pertains to. So for example; writing RPF on AO3, where the celebrity would actively have to look for it to find it. We already have statements from multiple celebrities recognising that content exists, but also that it exists within certain spaces and the celebrities voluntarily stay out of those spaces.

Minors having sexual fantasies is literally part of sexually maturing. The difference is that no adult should be personally, physically involved in these. Every single person with the capacity to has had sexual fantasies as they approach or go through puberty and learn more about sex. As a thirteen year old I used to have fantasies about Big Time Rush. As an adult I now have fantasies about aliens and monsters and fictional men and famous people who don't even know I exist. Its normal. Thoughts are normal. The only actual concern is when minors announce them in public spaces where adults are present or when adults try to engage with minors about their thoughts and fantasies. Literally any psychologist will tell you that its both normal and healthy for minors to have sexually-oriented thoughts and curiosity.

I would absolutely, without question, rather that a person writes porn on a fanfiction website than that person trying to make actual contact with a minor or creates that content in spaces less equipped to ensure the minor does not see it. For example; if someone writes it on AO3, the minor physically has to go looking for it. If someone writes it on Twitter, there are next to no functions that properly separate that content from the minor. Again, that minor has every single personal right to feel uncomfortable with the concept of that content existing. But it will always exist, and its both better and safer for it to be given separate spaces to exist than for it to just float about in the wild. If that minor is a public presence, the adults in their life need to take on better responsibility for safeguarding them.

People like you will make posts like yours and also think you're in the right.

And you have the right to think that. But it doesn't mean you are.

Proshippers will be like:

"yeah it makes celebrities uncomfortable that people write extremely violent porn of them and their relatives but that doesn't mean it hurts them 🥺 sexual fantasies are good for minors even when it's grooming/incest fetish content 🥺 you're such a puritan 😡 if the real life minors people are writing porn of are uncomfortable then they should just get over it 😡 it doesn't hurt them 😡"

And genuinely think they're in the right

People can actually do what they want because its fiction. Hope this helps.

For future reference, you can simply use the blocking and muting functions on Tumblr to avoid users and content you're uncomfortable with. Whining like a child and trying to publicly shame someone contributes nothing to curating your own online experience.

Also, Will cannot be 'mistreated' outside of canon events because he simply isn't real. Godspeed.

ok so I’m not gonna say How i know but ummmm. maybe…Some People (finalboybyers) are fucking weird and wrong . don’t ship literal kids with adults!!!!!! that’s it !