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Hello kanmom
I'm going through a big dilemma right now. I'm from a conservative country and this whole being gay or gay relationships are new for me. But the thing I see between jikook is love which is so pure and something not everyone is lucky to have. So I'm very much supporting them not minding whether it's right or wrong.
But as I said, I'm coming from a place where everyone surrounding me thinks it's something against nature, should not happen or is worst than crime. They don't know about Jikook but when being gay is brought up all thinks it's a joke and something not worthy enough and they are not the level of the superior straights. My very educated friends, my parents and almost everyone thinks so.
When they are being homophobic I sometimes react and they feel offended saying 'why am I too concerned about some person not at all connected with me'. I'm feeling offended not because I'm attached to the person they are making fun of, but because of Jimin and Jk. I love them very much and I know people will similarly judge them and makes fun of them which makes me so sad. After hearing this from many places now I'm feeling like ' am I the wrong one here ?' Is it really as bad as people make it to be and judge them to be. Am I too blinded by Jimin and jungkook to not to see the negative side of being gay.
If there was nothing wrong in being gay then why most of population is against it ? If it was the same love in gay relationship then why people feels digusted by it ? I really don't know.
Hello anon. I feel for you. And I understand the struggle you are going through.
This is not an easy subject to talk about. And this post, it’s gonna be a little on the heavy side, readers be warned.
For the sake of this ask alone I will be talking about homosexuality and only homosexuality.
I will also want to open by saying that perceptions are changing anon. Even if they haven’t started to in your neck of the woods, they are in many other countries.
There are many religious people that do think differently, that don’t perceive homosexuality as a sin.
Pope Francis has weighed on it, saying that he thinks that same sex couples should be allowed to have recognized civil unions:
"Homosexual people have a right to be in a family...They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or made miserable over it...What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered.”
Sadly, even after saying the above, nothing has been done to change the church’s official position that homosexuality is a sin.
I'm not a religious person, never have been. I believe that the basis of religions may be positive, well some of it: love thy neighbour, respect your parents, be a good person, but the religious establishments, the power they seek and possess over the people, that is so wrong, in my opinion.
And the views against homosexuality, well that comes exactly from those places. Control and power over the people.
Homosexuality anon, is part of nature, and happens in many species of animals. Homosexuality, attraction to men, is not a choice, it's something you are born with.
There are so many articles and papers written by actual scientists on the matter. All you need do is google it.
And it most definitely isn't a sin or dirty or wrong. It's just different. Being attracted to men rather than women is different, different than what most men are attracted to, as part of natures plan for procreation. And human society deeming it as wrong, as sinful, not allowed, well that is part of said control I was talking about - a man shall not waste their sperm, which is meant for procreation.
We find this in the bible, the holly book that set up the rules and laws for a new GROWING society, the Hebrews. There was kind of a logical reason for setting said rules in place. When you are trying to build a society, you want it to multiply and grow.
And having to set said rules, laws, well that kind of teaches you something else anon, something that we can also find in art and writings from said period and after - homosexuality, m/m sex, it was something that was definitely happening at the time, if there was a need to outlaw it.
Setting these laws was not only to ensure procreation and growth of the society, but also to set them apart from other cultures and societies at that time.
The bible, Judaism, well that was the first of the 3 monotheistic religions and their beliefs were the basis for Christianity and Islam.
People think it’s a sin, say it’s dirty, because that’s what they have been told for so many years.
And please don’t get me going on the sexual abuse, including by men of the cloth (from every single religion) towards young boys. Men that have no problem to abuse their power and abuse young innocent children. Same men that will stand up and in the sermon call out homosexuality.
Let’s talk about the 10 commandments, the 10 basic laws god gave upon humans, the 10 commandments that both Jews and Christians should abide by are:
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not kill.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
These are the 10 big no-nos. Of which too many people, religious people, people that call homosexuality dirty and wrong and a sin, disobey. They steal from others, they cheat, they lie, they covet, omg do they covet what isn't theirs.
Another no no, one that finds it’s place in the bible, is that a man shall not waste their sperm (hence homosexuality being a sin). But masturbation is most definitely considered a sin as well. How about that? How many of said men calling homosexuality a sin haven’t masturbated during their lives?
And yet, all these ‘sinners’ find it in them to bare judgement over 2 men that find love in each other?
2 consenting adults, regardless of their sex, being together, doing whatever they are doing together, without hurting anyone else - why is that a sin? Why is that wrong or dirty?
There are things that have been done in the name of god, that are beyond wrong or sinful. Witch hunts, the crusades, the inquisition...
Me saying that those speaking in the name of god aren’t always right.
So, to sum this nice little Ted talk, religions deeming something as wrong doesn't necessarily make it so, ahm. There are many rules and laws created by said religions that are being questioned now days, some accepted, some not.
And now to you being the odd one out, the one that thinks differently than the others, that's not an easy cross to bare (and I am using that reference on purpose here). But you see, being the odd one out, the one to call out on society doing something wrong, while everyone else is doing that said thing, or everyone else believes otherwise, well, that most definitely doesn’t make you wrong.
There have been so many people over history that have stood up, called out cultures, societies, the religious establishment for their wrong doings. They were the odd ones out, but history taught us that even though they were alone or in a minority, at the end of the day they were right.
Galileo - he paid with his freedom for it. But he was right, not the church, not the majority. He was considered a heretic for his views, his beliefs, that turned out to be the actual physical truth.
So anon, you being the odd one out, you being able to see that love is love is love...that might make you the odd one out, but it most definitely does not make you the wrong one !!!
Yoongi Loving Jimin's Vocals
I got a DM asking where Yoongi said Jimins voice was his favorite and instead of answering them nicely in the DMs like a normal person, i decided I needed this on my masterlist and it needed it be a whole post. Lol of which he has said Jimins voice is his favorite multiple times.
A few times he mentioned it during Burn the Stage docuseries
"Jimins voice is so sweet"
His favorite voice
The way he has made it very clear that he wants to work with Jimin musically too, multiple times over and over again lol
And how he picked Jimin to record the guide for him for So Far Away on his first mixtape. I need that verison so bad please too
And how he is constantly praising Jimins skills and wanting him to expand into other genres too and together
And bonus links because I need to:
Telepathy, the song Yoongi produced and wrote for BE album is an extended Outro version with Jimins vocals on it too 🥰
Yoongi watching Jimin sing Promise
Yoongi watching Jimin sing Dynamite
When Vmin started singing for Earth Traveler
I need my miniminis subunit. My yoonmin subunit on an official track PLEASE
Why? Why? Why?
Stray Kids, a fourth generation band from JYP, have made a little piece of history of their own and topped the Billboard chart with their new album ‘Oddinary’.
Good for them!!!
Their success should be celebrated, not berated, including by Army.
There is no competition here, and it’s sad that there are ‘Army’ that feel there is.
Although I don’t love all of their music (I do definitely like some of their songs though), I do appreciate STZ, and personally love the two Aussies in the band, one of whom was unafraid to admit his attraction to men (now being used against him in these disgusting comments - homophobic much?).
I would like to ask all those supposed Army that are on a crusade badmouthing STZ - what did Stray Kids ever do to BTS other than idolise them to deserve this reaction?
Bangchan just a couple of weeks ago praised JK, saying he looks at him as a role model even though they are the same age. He has spoken in the past about his love for JK’s Euphoria and Stay too, and how JK is an incredible person.
Lee Know used to be a backup dancer for them, like for the whole Wings tour, and has mentioned on multiple occasions he’s Army.
Why can’t you love and support a band without attacking other artists?
Do these Army think so little of BTS that they need them to bad mouth other successful artists?
I can’t help but wonder the ethnicity of said Army. Is this a racial thing? Are BTS the good pet Koreans? They’re ok. But any other Korean band shouldn’t be allowed BTS’s success?
So, this is what I have to say to anyone who calls themselves Army and then proceeds to act this way (and I am talking about any kind of bad mouthing or belittling another band’s accomplishments) -
You are no Army.
BTS as a band, and every single member of the band would not stand for such behaviour. This is not what BTS stand for, definitely not their message, and they sure don’t need any fans of theirs to belittle other band’s accomplishments in order to upraise their own.
Being Army means loving and supporting BTS, not hating others.
No one has accomplished what BTS have, but if they do, one day, well good for them. BTS are the trailblazers, and we as Army should be proud of them and support them on their journey, whatever it may be. Supporting them , by no means, means attacking other artists, their character, talent or accomplishments.
Grow up!!!
I love him so much 🥺
Agreed 100%
I really liked your post about Jimin and the misconceptions a large part of the fandom have about him. I’d like to add one, feel free to disagree : "Jimin is effeminate". A lot of Armys perceive him as this super feminine guy in an almost exaggerated way. Warning: there’s absolutely nothing wrong in being a very feminine guy!! But the way I see him, I think he both has a very masculine side and a more feminine one. I find him very manly in the way he behaves and speaks sometimes, and sometimes he has this exquisite delicacy that is seen as feminine. I think he’s a very beautiful balance of masculinity and femininity. Same for for Jungkook. I actually find him to be more dainty and delicate most of the time (not that it is a competition anyway). There’s also a lot of misconceptions about our Jungkookie!
Opinions.
Agreed 100%
I really liked your post about Jimin and the misconceptions a large part of the fandom have about him. I’d like to add one, feel free to disagree : "Jimin is effeminate". A lot of Armys perceive him as this super feminine guy in an almost exaggerated way. Warning: there’s absolutely nothing wrong in being a very feminine guy!! But the way I see him, I think he both has a very masculine side and a more feminine one. I find him very manly in the way he behaves and speaks sometimes, and sometimes he has this exquisite delicacy that is seen as feminine. I think he’s a very beautiful balance of masculinity and femininity. Same for for Jungkook. I actually find him to be more dainty and delicate most of the time (not that it is a competition anyway). There’s also a lot of misconceptions about our Jungkookie!
Opinions.
I mean... Billy Porter used to make het songs too
Umm just here to say that I don't think so that's namjoon's boyfriend there, like hello are we forgetting about expensive girl or all those references he has had made, or that baby girl or that a girl in the bathrobe is sitting there in Jin's room scenario? Come on namjoon is definitely straight 😂😌✨
I gotta be honest, I think my gaydar is faulty because I always thought Joon was straight but those boyfie pics like why… Mmmayyybe he’s heteroflexible. Or bi. So he might be jerking ARMY around a lil bit or I might be terrible at gaydentification. Could go either way. Maybe both ways. Maybe he’s pan af and loves all God’s children. You gotta admit that the way he stans Jimin sometimes… I dunno. And I bet he’s not planning to tell us.
He’s so pretty. I hope he’s having a good day.
Guess the common factor in these pictures…😂
Shy jimin is coming for you and your poor heart, just like bold JK has for Jimin lol.
(Credits )
Lmao the tags, so true
twitter.com/jmintine/status/1465347145045659649?s=20 omg baby-gay-jk never stood a chance huh 😳
JeiKei gets reciprocity, anyway. The rest of Bangtan and the world? We're all just cannon fodder for the laser focus behind those sunglasses. I mean he's just... out there. Walking around in public looking like The MFing Park Jimin (often ft. Cute Baggage Handler Koo):
Even The Jeon Damn Jungkook knows he's in the presence of greatness. I don't know what kind of deal Jimin's parents made in order to visit this man upon the world, but I think we are grateful for their sacrifice.
This recurring thing of confining queer relationships to sexual lens only to dimiss them has to stop ffs
I'm ok with people not believing jikook are together but can we all admit that something definitely happened between them years ago, *sexually*, and they liked it otherwise we wouldn't see them so often together. You can deny a relationship but you can't deny the sexual tension and electric chemistry between those guys
Uh. Y'ALL. You can't legitimately think that Jikook just did the thing once or ten times back in the day and did not fall in love. I don't think you think that anon, but I think other people try to justify them that way. FWB MY ASS HAVE YOU SEEN THE EYES ON THESE TWO?!
Those are not horny eyes. I mean, okay yes they can be but in that moment those are not horny eyes. Those eyes speak of adoration. There is a huge difference. Not platonic "oh that baby duck is so cute". Not "oh I'mma rail that into oblivion later".
ADORATION. Love. That is exactly what drew most of us into the whole Jeon-Park household in the first place. Okay, yes, something sexual happened between them on hickey night that's for damn sure and it wasn't the first hickey we've seen on either of them. They have a five-year history of questionable alone time behavior resulting in makeup, blackmail material, giggles and inside jokes and sixteen boatloads of sexual tension. Surreptitious touches and lip bites and sly grins are just a normal Wednesday in the Jeon-Park house and shared workplace. We all been knew. But admitting a relationship is sexual is not the same thing as reducing a relationship to Just Sexual. I don't think that's what you were trying to do, but some fans do just that. And it's disrespectful to Jimin and Jungkook as loving partners to invalidate their emotion in favor of their dicks. People who reduce their love to an FWB hornfest or who use horny as a barometer for them are just as homophobic as people who refuse to see anything at all.
There is enough homophobia to deal with on a regular basis without logging on here and reading the 'takes' of people who think they are doing a moral service by calling Jikook 'shippers' out for 'shipping', or 'taking things too far', or being 'too convinced', or 'labeling people' (who must be presumed straight until explicitly stating otherwise). Until homosexuality is normalized in every society; until the trauma of centuries worth of generational stigma has been processed; until no one is expected to 'come out' or address their sexuality as if it falls outside of the norm; until we have equal rights, safety, dignity and representation everywhere; until no one on earth is murdered,fired, or lawfully 'punished' on the basis of their orientation, I reserve my right to interpret queerness and homoromanticism in art and actions where there is cause for me to do so.
By condemning all readings of romance in Jikook's content (see, Dynamite Christmas Remix selfie cam, MOTS1 Hickey, 'I'm Still Me', Tokyo GCF, Saipan GCF, 'Waking up and seeing Jungkook', ear sucking at RB, and much much more) you play into covert systems of homophobia. Is it ok for entertainment companies to "market using ships", but not ok for LGBTQ fans to engage in queer readings of content that explicitly seems to invite this? Is it ok for companies to wink at you and tease homoeroticism as long as you don't see it as in any way indicative of actual queerness, homoromanticism or coming from a subjective experience?
Art is sensual and often plays with aspects of eros. So must all reactions and interpretations of eroticism be natured heterosexual in order to not be seen as presuming, incorrect, or perverse?
There are many ways to say that you are intolerant of queerness. This one happens to be infuriating because so many people think they have a moral high ground. Just say you don't want your faves implicated in gay shit or that you don't even mind them seeming gay as long as we all assume it's just for show and for $$$ and move on.
I can't say why certain Jikook content is the way it is. I do not pretend to know their motivations or the motivations of their company. I think it would be very odd to think of certain things as nothing more than a string of coincidences or bad takes/wishful thinking. I may be incorrect. But please stop seeing queer people's expressions of connectedness, resonance and 'seen-ness' as crimes against the artists themselves.
Hi, sorry. Sorry. You dropped this, please allow me to return it to you 😍
You said this perfectly anon. Thank you. I have nothing to add.
You don't stare at your friend like that. You definitely don't stare at your brother like that. You don't stare at a colleague like that in front of hundreds of people and dozens of cameras.
This is something that Jimin and Jungkook often do. Or used to do but this day... Yeahh ... this day was different. Their smirks said it all.
The background song is one that for some time now every time I hear it reminds me of these two so I thought it would be good to put it in this video as a background sound😉
HATERS AND ANTIS
Some basic definitions 👇👇👇👇
(get comfortable🪑🪑🪑🪑)
Listen....in this world some people are triggered, absolutely triggered, by anything or anyone beyond their troglodyte-regressed comprehension skills.
When you encounter them, report and walk away. It isn't worth your time to engage them.
https://www.usbtsarmy.com/tutorials/report-malicious-posts/#email
Some people are really out here getting PAID to write sh!t posts about people they've never met....I can't say I know what it's like to be in their position, taking money to be an awful person online, so I can thank my lucky stars I'm not in such a moral predicament. I sometimes wonder if it's a job they love or a job born of necessity. 😩
Some people have had bad experiences in life and they take that out on people they don't personally know. (This isn't me doing an analysis on anyone. This is me regurgitating what people who have studied longer on this topic have said.) They've met someone who they thought the sun shined out of their a$$ and got burnt by it and now every time they see a sun they think it's completely dark on the other side.
I fail to see (and you might too because this next paragraph is convoluted 🙏) how in one breath they question just how genuine this particular group member is by believing in posts from other anons (who had to probably buy the information so they think it's valid, but it's just specious) who don't even know if the information they're posting is accurate and also taking little tidbits of partial moments or conversations between members & this group member that were joking or otherwise and calling the people they support super direct & super genuine, but also not believing them the other times they've praised this person they hate on for being so wonderful. It doesn't follow logic. They ignore all the hugs, kisses, kind words, thoughtful interactions, and thank you's over all the years between all the members just to point out.....what exactly...??? That they don't believe that all those interactions were genuine??? That they don't believe all those interactions happen off camera too or something???? After saying the people they support are the most genuine??? And they interact with this person...that they don't...think??? Is??? Genuine??? Even??? Off???? Camera???? 💀 Nah fr fr....it IS so much easier to just listen to the members and believe what they say instead of twisting things around to match some preconceived idea of who a person is based on the insanely small amounts of time we get to see them on camera. Why are they stanning a group (or member) that's promoted as genuine if they don't think they're genuine??? And that honestly means they're all genuine or they're all NOT genuine because what we do see of them is the only thing we can actually make theories about. And what we see if them on camera and what they've explained to us about what they do off camera is that they all love each other to pieces.
So we can pretty much categorize taekookers under this category too. They do it for different reasons but they definitely are the type not to believe what their eyes see, but they still see it so they lash out against a particular person and a particular agency. Some are brainwashed. Some can't leave the community they feel comfortable in. Some are addicted to the feeling of looking for the wrongs in the world and being a savior of this one group of people. Some do it because it adds what they think is a measure of control to their lives. There's various reasons and it's all being heavily studied right now due to the Q-anon conspiracy theorists. Flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, government conspiracy theorists, religious fundamentalists, N@zis, people that deny the moon landing...etc...they're all using the same fallacy pitfalls. And it's possible that people who fall under one category are more likely to be predisposed to fall under the others. It's makes them kinda like ticking time 💣. The more their lies are proven to be unfounded, the more loss of control they feel or the more pressure they feel to "take drastic actions to become the savior of the story." That's how we got January 6th in America, September 11, 2001, April 19, 1995 in Oklahoma....and how that Weverse post happened.
They aren't the crusaders they think they are and everything they see, hear, touch, interact with in regards to the members gets placed through this inaccurate filter first. And I mean EVERYTHING. 😩
Do not, under any circumstances, underestimate how dangerous this group can become if they feel pushed hard enough. This Weverse post happened over a "bite" that had happened months before the fandom even found out about it.
Then you have this group: they jealous 🙃
They want what they can't have and they want it badly enough that they act irrationally and emotionally instead of with empathy, logic, understanding, clarity, humanity...this list can go on and on. They'll still be jealous at the end of the day. 💅
Now....this other category of haters is the one that we do tend to see a lot of on social media. Let me preface by saying there's no such thing as "normal" in this world. We're all humans existing on a spectrum of existing/surviving/thriving...and whatever coping methods we've learned along the way to do that. So this group aren't well-adjusted individuals (again, who among us really is?). They seek out people they perceive as weaker so they can feel better about themselves (does this particular post of mine qualify???🤔). They have figured out different cues that they try to exploit in others so that they can feel smarter, stronger, in charge, more powerful, in control....these people target others in the fandom by going after the members or they target the members because, again, they aren't healthy humans. Therapy would help them. Yeah, I said it.
And this last group....the use of homophobic or other derogatory language....they're either part of the power-control group...or they're straight up homophobes or with internalized misogyny. They've identified someone as a "target" and have labeled them as "other" or "weaker" (mind you how well JM can kick our butts) therefore worthy of their scorn and hate and negativity. They've dehumanized a whole human! It doesn't matter to them what the other person feels or thinks or if their assumptions about that person are even correct. They don't care. Again, report and block these people. They don't just need therapy, they need intensive deprogramming and exposure and love and support to come out of the well of negativity they're currently drowning in.
This anon feature really gives this hatred such an outlet we'd never experience outside of the internet. And yeah, I'm gonna call them out right here:
Did you see that BigHit email address above?
Let me link it for you here 💜
Go ahead and report yourself. Go ahead and present your case in court if you feel so absolutely convinced of your moral and correct assumptions that you'd tell a person to their face all of the disgusting and abhorrent comments you've ever written about them under anon. Do it.
I. Dare. You.
BH has my face, my email, and my home address. I'm not worried about a thing coming back on me. Anti, can you say the same?
just baby tannies complimenting the jibooty with no context
just baby tannies complimenting the jibooty with no context
Re JK's Hickey
I don't know what else you want me to say dear. Pass judgment all you want as to whether it was a good call to publish a content of that nature or not.
To me it is what it is.
But understand also that if you do question it all you'd be questioning a company that puts out content like this:
Or even this
Let's not forget this moment
Which was a still taken behind the scenes unscripted and not part of the roll and probably with permission from them.
This moment exists too
Now this was a little bit scripted but notice the roles they cast Jikook in?
Why was Jimin the one asked to flirt with JK? Didn't Hobi ask JM why he was looking at JK that way? And JM said he was asked to act that way to put pressure on JK and make him feel slightly flustered or sommin?
This moment shook the phone off Jin
And this was a highlight reel of a decade.
Do you see the camera lights flashing to capture that intense gaze of Jungkook's as he slowly melts upon realizing JM's intentions??
Bighit has always shared glimpses into Jikook's relationship- albeit gradually- and have always preferred to cast them in a certain way with a certain rhetoric and narrative to go with it.
They are never casted as bestfriends the way Vmin are and yet we know they are. There's always that obscurity, shrouded in mystery yet very much accessible it leaves room for interpretation.
On Ko-fi we talked about this. About how putting out like this helps demystify Jikook, normalize their behavior, put Bighit in charge of the narrative, and deter any self proclaimed celebrity buster who might think they have dirt on them because they've been sniffing their underwear from the trash can.
It's very Olivia Pope esque but also tried and true. Justin's team did it too. If you can't get behind it, get ahead of it.
I'm pretty sure any rogue staff who thinks they have dirt on Jikook cos they showed up on set one time with a hickey looks pretty dumb right about now.
It's not tea if BigHit themselves be spilling.
A bunch of 1yr olds throwing tantrums on the internet because their idols aren't allowing them fulfill their Y/N fantasies isn't backlash.
Backlash is when shit affects their business and goodwill. Any other thing is a nuisance and nothing a frivolous law suit won't fix.
I think BigHit is more open to suing Leticia473 than telling their high profile talents to frown around eachother.
Taking a break and disengaging for a while helps.
I am not one to simp for a multi billion conglomerate so I say burn bighit if they are doing all this to exploit the boy's relationship with no regards to their safety and mental health.
But I'd say too if anyone can beat down the barriers and push back against the homophobia prevalent within the fandom its Bighit and BTS with strategies like this.
The so called backlash is that voice that says you can't love who you love or do this and that with that person.
So I guess to me this nothing new honestly.
Like Bang explained to Jo Kwon, they can make a dent but it will take a while.
People need to get used to Jikook.
Let's show them as much love as we can whenever they drop content. The support we have for them must drown out the haters.
Love you.
Happy birthday 💜💜
GOLDY
Free Jungkook from your homophobia, more like.
Homophobic hateful behavior. That’s what it is when a man is telling you out loud who he loves and you’d rather deflect, avoid, deny and invalidate. You’d rather scream at his employer, hate his lover, and call him a liar than listen to the man you say you love. You’re wrong. It’s wrong. No argument you have is valid at this point. You believe him or you choose to deny him on the basis of your prejudice against him. That’s it. When people choose to actively denigrate, invalidate and hate on an individual due to their perceived or obvious sexual orientation and/or choice of partner, those people are not fans. Those people are by definition haters, antis and bullies. You are perpetrating homophobic abusive bullshit on two men who have done nothing but love you, entertain you and work for you and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Continua a leggere
People in this fandom who are staunchly against "shipping" any of the guys with each other annoy me to no end. Especially because they come across as so smug and superior for not being "delulu" enough to believe any of the guys might not be heterosexual or *gasp* in a relationship with each other. They see "shippers" or in our case supporters, as the laughing stock of the fandom and I truly wonder if they realize how homophobic they come across.
Why is it okay for people to speculate on whether the youngest kardashian is back together with her baby daddy and collect clues to figure out if she's pregnant but it's not okay to go hmmmm, it looks like something's going on between jikook, lemme look a little deeper. Why treat us like outcasts? I get doing that for shippers who take it too far and directly involve the guys in it like taekookers who commented all that mess under Jimin's comments recently.
But that's not the reason they hate us.
Months ago my whole twitter timeline was having a ball trying to figure out if ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez were in fact back together because of rumors and a few pictures. Nobody was laughing at them. Nobody thought they were "weird" for any of this.
So while I understand some people not getting why we would think any of the guys are queer or dating each other, I absolutely hate the ones who seek to laugh us out of the fandom based on their homophobic world view.
Just had to get that off my chest 😭
Yeah.
What I keep hearing is: "you can't assume their sexuality".
That's a good one for me, because, as far as I can see, isn't the outright denial that there could be a relationship between two male band members assuming their sexuality?????
And also, the outright denial there could actually be a romantic relationship between two members of the same band. Really? Never heard of before, was it?
No doubt - Gwen Stefani & Tom Dumont.
Fleetwood mac - Stevie Nicks was in a relationship with Lindsey Buckingham and had an affair with Mick Fleetwood. Same band Christine Mcvie and Jhon Mcvie were married, later divorced.
Abba - Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus married then divorced & Benny Andersson and Anni-Frid "Frida" Lyngstad married then divorced.
There are plenty more, even in K-pop, heaven help us.
Former Triple H members HyunA & Dawn are a clear example.
And a little digging (no deep digging really needed here) brought me even more earth shattering information. That there were even gay couples, OMG, in K-pop bands.
Seungho & B.Nish from DIP being one of those couples, and funny thing is how low and behold, there were signs and suspicions before the truth came out.
So, no, it's definitely not unheard of that people that spend many hours together, create music together, work together, let alone live together (K-pop), become romantically involved and fall in love.
It can happen in co-ed bands and god forbid in all male or all female bands.
Not willing to see this, ruling it out all together, that comes from nothing else than homophobia. No other explanation.
We are not delusional. We see signs. Signs for something that is possible and plausible. Ruling it out completely as something impossible that's being delusional.
The queer baiting discussion is forever wild to me.
1, SK is sadly a deeply homophobic country, the thought that the big entertainment companies are writing gay fanservice scripts to squeeze a few dollars out of queer fans when I’m sure they’d rather not acknowledge they even exist is absolutely ludicrous.
2, Close, bordering on homo-romantic (to a foreign lens) friendships are common among young Koreans up to a certain age. The fact that k-pop stars grow up in an isolate bubble tend to extend those close bonds into adulthood. It’s not on them that foreign eyes read something else into it.
3, What western eyes read as queer baiting is generally elaborate y/n scenarios. (These are the things they sometimes do in skits on stage or in official content. Never the stuff they do backstage in their own time.) You’re not supposed to imagine the stars fucking behind closed doors, you are supposed to imagine that one of them is you. Again, these things are created for a local audience where any other read but straight would be uncommon. The intended audience knows the rules of the game, foreign audiences do not.
4, Idols are real people with real relationship, if they consistently read as queer to you maybe there is a reason for that. “Fanservice” is different shapes and forms occur in planned skits and official content. They don’t perform fanservice in their private time behind the scenes.
5, It is unfair to dismiss all expressions of queer love/closeness as queer baiting because these idols have very very limited opportunities to express themselves if they really are queer. They will most likely never be able to come out, not without ruining both their career and the careers of everyone who depend on them.
Amen to every single word anon.
What do u think if this momemt? https://twitter.com/keeponlovingv/status/1424354697981300737?s=21 I didn’t believe tkkers before when they said stuff intervene between them or suggest to behave...I think I’m hallucinating but now I kinda see what tkkers mean by that ..I didn’t know that I would say that ever...
Lmao hun. Where is the separation? That is a super cute clip of taekook, taekooking and being adorable. The staff says something, it looks like Kookie walks over to the side to hear them a bit better, then immediately goes back to his spot at Tae's side. Then he grabs onto him again and giggles and claps on his chest. Where is the separation? What were they doing wrong? And if they didn't want TK to be interacting on camera, why would they tell them on camera and leave it in the clip where they said to not interact? Wouldn't that make things more sus if they were trying to "hide a couple"? The logic is lacking all sense of actual logic....
As for Kookies face. That's literally just his face. He wasn't being scolded. He was just there existing. Same for Namjoon. He didn't look irritated, he was just standing there. No one is separating taekook. And yes, I would say the same thing if this was a clip of Jikook or any other duo. This is not a case of a duo being separated. Especially because there is no separation.... lol and all the comments are just speculations over what Staff said to make JK walk away for .2 seconds. All saying things like obviously staff were telling him to stop touching Tae. None of them know and are just saying things to feed into their fantasy. If the staff told him not to be touchy with Tae, why would he go back to him and then rub all over his chest? That's kinda the opposite of what they were saying isn't it? Also, the staff don't care that much, I promise. They aren't keeping any of the boys apart.
It's important to remember that if you are going to be insecure over jikook, taekook should be the duo you should NEVER be insecure about. They are the only duo who has confirmed multiple times that they are not romantically or sexually involved and have actively shut down their shippers. Literally nothing else should matter, they have said and confirmed that they are friends and friends only.
don't take this as an attack or anything, but i'm personally tired of the take that they don't touch each other because they get turned on. they're not each other's crushes anymore, if they're together they've been having sex for a while now for sure. it's not like they'll lose their mind if they brush hands. jungkook has never had skinship jimin at least in front of the cameras, but saying he's 24 in a relationship for years and cant keep it together because he hugs his friend it's eve childish
Ask 2: jimin doesn't lack skinship towards jungkook tho. it's only jungkook who has skinship with everyone and not with jimin.
I will start with saying that JK & JM do do the skinship thing, just differently at times. JK does hug & backrub & massage JMs neck & touch JM. JM does hug JK & touch him & hold his hand.
But sometimes it feels like there is a pull back or a hesitation, and that is what I addressed.
I think you don't understand what I am saying anon 1.
Yes, there is a difference between skinship with someone you don't find attractive to someone you do. If someone you find attractive rubs his hand up your thigh close to your crotch, with all due respect, that will do something to you, even if you are in a relationship for 20 years and counting, if you still find them attractive.
So length of relationship or the fact that you have 'been' together is not the issue here. The level of attraction is, which btw, is also what keeps a healthy long term relationship keep going - still being attracted to each other.
Now, in the early years the brushing, light touching felt like it came from a need to touch. JM would walk by JK and have to brush his hand against him. They would stand next to each other and hands would brush slightly. They 'needed' to touch but perhaps were afraid to do it too much of it as to not send out alarm bells. Sometimes these decision are not rational. They were drawn to each other but were also supposed to be hiding it.
Next. Not every skinship sends chills down your spine ready to jump your partner. Holding hands doesn't. Rubbing your neck or back (depending on where) doesn't, etc. So, not every skinship is sexually triggering.
So, why avoid it still?
Because, even if it not sexually triggering it can still be emotionally triggering when, again, the one touching you is your significant other. It can bring on a sigh, a facial expression, a tale tell that can indicate that there is more going on between the two of you than just platonic friendly skinship.
Like I mentioned JK needs to be in control. JK is 24 yo, in a long term relationship but is also a shy introvert that suffers from self image issues (which I feel he is coming to terms with over the past couple of years) and anxiety.
Losing control is one of the things that cause him anxiety. We saw at least 2 times he was 'caught red handed', off guard, and how anxious he became (car 'selfie" & BV3). In the car we could actually see him start to hyperventilate.
When he is the one in control it's a different story, he knows what he's doing (or at least thinks he does) and is in control of the situation (at least he feels he is in that moment), and that gives him strength to do what he is doing (for example: him outright kind of fighting with JM to hug him at the end of them filming Black swan dance for Jimmy Fallon show).
But when he is not in control he sometimes freaks out. Especially when he thinks the camera is on him. He will stiffen up, panic, freeze.
To conclude: Jikook do skinship, but the way I see it they do it differently than the others.
I tend to keep skinship out of the equation when it comes to evaluating their relationship. And yet, I do think that them being in a romantic relationship does have an effect on the way they do skinship.
Below is a wonderfully edifying submission from @tell-me-everything. My comments are at the end in italics.
I get very frustrated when I see casual social media posts or analysis videos claiming to know exactly what Jungkook is feeling based on his body language or his facial expressions, and I feel like a lot of the harmful stereotypes and misinformation within the fandom come from these posts that are essentially based on guesswork. We never know exactly what is going on inside a person’s head, and we’re all just making our best guesses based on our own experiences and preconceptions about people.
So I wanted to write up a few examples of ways that I as an autistic person might read JK’s body language differently based on my own experiences and those of my close friends of other neurotypes. And I thought this blog might be a good place to share this. I’m not trying to say that Jungkook actually is neurodivergent in any particular way. However, he does have some behaviors that I relate to and that I think might be misinterpreted, so I want to provide some alternative explanations. I may be preaching to the choir by submitting this on Tumblr, but oh well, here we go.
1. Indirect Eye Contact
Something that really gets my goat (and the reason I decided to write this submission) is how the fandom often interprets the way JK stares off into space or at another person or at the ground.
Neurotypical people tend to prioritize eyes as “windows to the soul,” and they often assume that the direction in which the eyes are pointed is where the person’s attention is pointed. For neurodiverse people, that is often not the case.
There are two big reasons for this: First, eye contact is very overwhelming for many people, so they will process information better while looking away. Second, many neurodiverse people have different types of audio processing difficulties, so in the chaos of a conversation or a lecture, or a concert, the person might have to “turn off” their eyes for a bit in order to focus all of their effort on listening. Some people describe this as “seeing the sounds,” where they even create their own subtitles for what is being said or try to visualize the content in some other way.
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My brother reacts to GCF in Tokyo
SPOILER ALERT: he fell in love with Park Jimin and it got deep.
“Why now?” you might think. I wanted to talk about GCFt, but I don’t really have nothing new to add to what’s already been said.
Then my mind came up with something 👉👈
I remember a very famous post about GCFt. It consisted of an interview with a film director, asking him about his take on GCF in Tokyo. Very intesting and informative. You probably have read it, it was e v e r y w h e r e.
I, on the contrary, have my older brother who:
1) is not an expert in the field but loves music and films and knows a little about production and editing.
2) doesn’t have any interest in K-pop or BTS. Needless to say about KM and their trip to Tokyo. He knows I like their music and that they exist, tho. I’ve showed him some MVs and songs before.
I had to convice him to react to it and that was a hard task. Our relationship is pretty much like this: (I compromised my well being)
WARNING: I won’t lie, I knew he was going to live up to my expectations. He has always been a very smart and sensitive man. He is pretty much my role model in life. And he knew I was going to share his opinions with you.
I didn’t explain to him anything. I thought it would be way more interesting if he took the iniciative and did the questions. It turned out pretty great.
We didn’t talk much during the 3 minutes and 42 seconds it lasted. I didn’t watch the video at all, I just looked at my brother’s face and reactions. I had an amazing time watching him react to one of my favourite videos on the internet.
He really enjoyed the song (he kept nodding his head following the beat), and I could see him getting surprised by JK’s editing choices. He said “this guy is very pretty” (referring to Jimin) twice.
When the video finished he stared at the credits.
-”JK” -he gave me the phone-. Who is he in BTS?
-His whole name is Jungkook -I showed him a picture and he instantly nodded. “I remember him”.
-What do you think about it?
I swear to god I expected everything but this answer.
-It’s a pretty sad video.
Then he proceeded to explain to me why he thought so. He said that it had a nostalgic vibe. “Are they still in touch right now? Did he leave the band or something? When was this made?”.
When I explained to him that it was a trip they did together a year ago during their free time, he frowned. “It’s like the video we made for Laura before she moved out to Portugal, I feel like this is a goodbye”.
-Why would you think that?
This is when things got interesting. I have to admit I was acting pretty defensive (he was giving me an answer I was NOT expecting/ I didn’t agree with) and my brother just wanted to be right (we’ve had arguments about the least important things and they could last days).
-I’ve finished the video with a very clear feeling on my mind, but I don’t really remember where they went.
-I do. They had dinner, they went to Disney Land -I said, restarting the video.
We watched it again lol. My brother said that it seemed like JK wanted to remember and, at the same time, forget. He continued:
-And the video atmosphere doesn’t match his attitude (talking about Jimin). He is smiling and laughing the whole time, he doesn’t seem to think the same about the trip.
We talked about this particular thing a lot. My brother added some interesting ideas: “It doesn’t make sense to me the fact that he edited this video the same year they did the trip. If you hadn’t told me that, I would have thought they made the trip five years ago… The way he edited it shows he was already missing those times…”.
-He just wants to show us his point of view. How he wants us to see Jimin -I said.
My brother shook his head.
-I think it’s the opposite thing. It’s like he is showing us this is the person he sees. Not us. Only him.
-Why do you think he posted the video then?
He laughed.
-Maybe he wants the world to know that he has privileges? (this was my brother’s best moment IN LIFE)
Then, while I was writing this, I’ve noticed that I don’t remember how we ended our conversation. I’ve texted him, asking if he wanted to say something else (his final conclusions). “Make it pretty, tato. It’s going to be the end of the post”. This was his reply:
“I loved it. Specially Disney Land’s part. It was like remembering a very good childhood memory. Watching a truly happy moment through the darkest shade of blue.”
Well… what do you think about my brother’s take on GCFt? Be nice, he is my brother after all…
Adiós.