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I've always wondered if Elena knew Damon raped Caroline. She knew they slept together, as she said it in season four, but it clearly seems she just thought it was that: sex, not rape.
I mean, I doubt Elena would break up with Damon over it (sadly) if she did/came to know about his sexual abuse because she forgave him for killing her own brother and in general the three shows were very adamant on pushing long-life friendships down to elevate toxic romances.
She did "Caroline jumped in bed with him" and it's just wrong, no matter how much you may dislike or like her character: if Elena had known about her being raped then her statement is just straight up disgusting.
So, I have a genuine question. Do you hate the women of TVD/TO or something? Or just hate women and female characters in general? Because it seems like any time you talk about any of the women on TVD or TO, it's always something rude, nasty, and degrading, and you victim blaming/shaming them for their traumas, or slut shaming them. Meanwhile, I don't hear you say a thing about your male faves, who have done equally as bad or even worse things or literally the exact same things that you hate the girls for. Somehow men always get a pass, regardless of how shitty their actions are and how they treat women. It's just really disturbing the way these shows have you thinking that abusing and raping and killing women is a normal thing and that the women who receive this treatment deserve it, and it's somehow their fault, just because they weren't perfect or or innocent or saints. TVD/TO stans really need to start doing better than this.
It amazes me the obsession you have with me, if I'm being honest, because, obviously, you are the same Caroline stan of always who loves harassing me because I dislike her - the same stan who sent me a hate message today.
I don't know how me disliking x character equals to me hating women, especially because the female character I dislike "the most" - Caroline - has the most obvious anti-feminism attitudes, and I'm really not gonna invite you to have a debate with me about her because I simply do not want to.
I've never slut-shamed Caroline, I'm not the kind of person who shames others based on the persons they sleep with, I've rightfully pointed out I dislike her relationship with Klaus, just as I dislike Elena's relationship with Damon because they're both full of coercion and abuse. They trashed their characters to pair them with their abusers, but hey, who cares, right? As long as the conveniently ignored black woman gets forgotten. If anything, I'm constantly saying Caroline deserved something better than Klaus and I'll never be more grateful she did not end up with him - because, of course, we both know you like to harass klamille/klonnie/klayley stans as well, which is why you're even sending me asks in the first place.
I'm constantly criticizing the men in TVDU, something you're always conveniently forgetting. If anything, I'd say I talk badly about them way more than I ever say anything about Caroline. I excuse rape and abuse and whoever knows what else in your brain? Please, learn to read, develope some comprehension skills and then come back.
Do better.
I agree with this soo much atp...cuz Damon's looks is all most people are after and they turn a blind eye towards what he did to not only Caroline but also Vicki Donovan, Andie etc. Also, he snapped Jeremy's neck after Elena rejected him.
That is psychotic.
Delena is not the perfect ship.
Open. Your. Fucking. Eyes.
P.S. Caroline once said, "My mom is a very proud gun owner." Bruh. That same very proud gun owner would have driven a stake through Damon's heart if she would've come to know what he did to her daughter.
If I was Caroline…
Not only would I have chosen Klaus. I have told Klaus and Liz what Damon did to me. It makes no sense to me why Caroline has to be told by the fandom to shut up and stop being judgmental. I don’t think she was being judgmental. I think she was just worried for Elena. She didn’t want her to be taken advantage of by Damon the same way she was. When from Caroline’s point of view when the sirebond was affecting Elena’s choices and state of mind, Elena was acting like Caroline from season one when Damon compelled her to play foot soldier for him. Her every choice revolved around Damon and what HE wanted. She had to cater to his demands. Not the other way around! It was disgusting.
Why has Caroline not told anyone what Damon did to her?! Why is she 'keeping her mouth shut' for the sake of her friends! It’s disgusting! And on top of that, she’s forced to be around him everyday! And if she voices her concerns and frustrations with Damon, she’s brushed off! By her friends and this stupid fandom!
I know that telling Liz and Klaus what Damon did to her will possibly get him killed. And her friends. By Klaus. 😂🤷🏽♀️ Say what you want about Klaus but he does love her. It’s bad enough that she married her rapist’s brother and is now family with him. Like, this whole situation is unrealistic as hell.
You fans always say, “why would she date Klaus after what he did to Tyler?” If so. Then why would she marry her rapist’s brother so she can be forever connected to him? Hm? Oh, I know why. Because Caroline is obsessed with the idea of Stefan and the type of boyfriend that he was to Elena. Girl, stop. Wake up and smell the bullshit, Caroline. Stefan is not in love with you. He doesn’t even respect you. 🙄😑
It’s unrealistic that Caroline would even remotely want to be connected to Damon in any sort of way. He raped her and used her as a blood bag! And it’s also unrealistic and out of character for Caroline to keep allowing Stefan to treat her the ways he does. She dropped Tyler because she was sick and tired of waiting around for him. She wanted a boyfriend that was there and he did not fit the part, so she dropped him.
Anyways, it would have been interesting to see Caroline call her friends out and there be some sort of falling out. Because in my personal opinion… Caroline is too good for them. She gives way too much loyalty to the people who are buddy buddy with her rapist.
And don’t give me that crap about Klaus. Klaus is not a rapist. Yes, he did kiss her in Sire Boy’s body and I was giving him the side eye, but he gave her a warning. ‘Wrong time, wrong body’ or something like that. No, I do not believe that Klaus would have taken advantage of Caroline.
Klaus is way too arrogant to take away a woman’s will. He likes the chase. He also likes a woman falling at his feet just to get a taste of him. To take away a woman’s consent in sex is like poison to him, it hurts his pride. Plus, that’s not the way him or his brothers were raised. But not only would it hurt his pride, it would be violating Caroline, which would not sit well with him.
Klaus respects Caroline. Go argue with a wall. My opinion will stay the same. When she asked him to leave for her sake, he did.
But Caroline should have at least told someone! Not sire boy though. 'Cause he’s rarely even there. And he’ll somehow make it about Klaus when Klaus has nothing to do with it.
Love the way Elena slaps Damon. Just the way their relationship should be
Damon trying to milk the whole Whitmore sob story
Yeah
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DamonxStake (Stakamon)
DamonxVervain (Dervain)
Who do you ship with Damon?
Death, pain and suffering. I’m a multishipper :)
Stakamon
I ship Damon&stake so hard (can't figure out a ship name)
Damon + a stake in the heart = all my dreams come true.
Steps that Damon should follow in order to be a good lover as Stefan
First Tutorial : How to kiss a lady,gently and softly according to Stefan Salvatore
- Touch her lips
- Touch her face
- Eye-contact
- Slow twist
- Touch her body
- Pull back slightly so that the foreheads are still touching and smile
You don’t just run to her and break her teeth with your face !!!
Bonnie doesn't even face consequences for HER actions, she just suffers, period.
how come no one didn't even flinch an eye when damon killed tyler or fucking JEREMY but now everyone is going batshit crazy, biased much?
Because only Stefan and Bonnie face consequences and suffer on the show, if it’s Damon then it doesn’t matter because remember that one time he gave Elena the necklace that was already hers lol? Obviosuly it wasn’t his fault guys, stop trying to make Damon the bad guy, he is noble.
What about stelena makes them superior to delena? Don't be afraid to spill some tea boo I'm ready to show my de loving friends this response 😂🙌🏻
Oh, damn. You want me to come up with an entirely new post on this, eh? OK so there is going to be a lot of repetition since I have so many different posts and gifsets on this very subject.
Let’s start with a very simple question:
What is it that Damon and Elena do as a couple?
Honest to God. From season 4 onward when Elena makes Damon her choice what is it that they do with each other that isn’t them having sex and them simply telling each other that they love one another?
They call each other soulmates but why? What have they done to get to soulmate status? Elena says that Damon makes her feel “alive” and that she was drawn to his adventurousness and recklessness but what’s an example of them doing something adventurous and reckless? Was it when he took her on a motorcycle ride and she stood on the seat and put her arms in the air? Oh wait, no, that was Stefan. Was it when he took her to a closed amusement park and whisked her to the top of a ferris wheel and made her laugh? Oh wait, no that was Stefan.
Damon makes her feel alive because … … … …. like I’m waiting.
Is it because when she was sad and she needed to be reminded of the beauty life offers he took her to the top of a hill to watch a sunset? OH WAIT NO, THAT WAS STEFAN. Because when she thought the pain of losing Alaric was going to devour her and she didn’t want to stop, she didn’t want to think, he took her by the hand and encouraged her to embrace the sorrow because to feel sad is to feel human and to feel human is to feel alive? No, no again that was Stefan. I’m still waiting for receipts, for actions, for moments during their relationship where we see how Damon pushes Elena and thrills Elena and makes her mature because really I just remember watching Elena tell everyone and everyone tell her that he does this for her, I don’t actually see it.
But with Stelena? When Elena wanted to kill Katherine and didn’t care about risking Bonnie’s life because she channelled all of her emotion to rage it was Stefan who let her know that she can’t burn the world down simply because she feels sad that day. In 2x14 when Stefan finds out that Elena has been making deals with the Originals and resigned herself to the fact that she was going to die, he yells about not allowing her to give up. In 1x03 when Elena calls herself a quitter because she quit the cheerleading team, Stefan tells her that she isn’t a quitter but that she’s making room for a new life and that’s OK. Stefan pushes her, Stefan makes her mature, Stefan is the one who reads her when it comes to things other than him. The only time Damon ever challenges Elena is when it’s about how she feels about him like in 3x02 when he makes her say she cares about him or in 4x01 when he tells her he knows she knows that she remembered him telling her he loved her and doesn’t deserve her. Damon doesn’t push Elena in life. But Stefan does.
And same with what Elena “does” for Damon:
How could Elena possibly redeem Damon when he responds to her breaking up with him by kidnapping her brother and killing her friends so she can suffer the way he suffers? How could Damon possibly be a better person with Elena when he systemically kills Whitmores when he’s in a relationship with her? How could Elena possibly be the one good thing in his life when they’re in a toxic relationship? That’s right she can’t.
But with Stefan, Elena actually did make him a better person because his vampiric tendencies settled when he was around her, which is huge because vampiric tendencies for Stefan are ripper tendencies, all of his darkest urges, all of his demons come through with his vampiric urges but being with Elena calmed that. Stefan didn’t just say that Elena made him a better person, we see it with what? Action.
It’s the difference between this:
and this:
Not to mention, Stefan and Elena’s foundation was hella stronger than Damon and Elena’s; when DE are put to the same tests that SE are, DE always loses. Stefan’s love for Elena was so strong, it was the key to holding on to his humanity, the key to not forgetting himself and giving his way completely to the darkness so he could do this:
But Damon:
In 6x06 Damon was convinced that Elena seeing his face would make her remember their relationship: “I just need to see her, Stefan! Our eyes will meet, fireworks will go off, and the balance of nature will be restored. She loves me!” And what happened was:
But in 5x03 Elena’s worry over Stefan and her anger that Damon kept his whereabouts from his triggers a compulsion so intense that she would blow up an entire dorm and yet thinking about Stefan, about finding him was enough to break through Silas’ compulsion; her rage disappears:
Not to mention Stefan and Elena know each other implicitly, which she says repeatedly and throughout different seasons:
and unlike with Delena there are actual receipts for the things they say to each other. I believe that Stefan knows Elena better than anyone because in 4x21 when she was going through her emotional turmoil because her humanity came rushing back, only he was able to calm her through it:
In 2x20 he knew that Elena just needed a moment to let it out that she didn’t want to be a vampire but that she was too afraid to admit it:
In 3x20 he knew exactly the right thing to say to get her to embrace what was happening around her even though what was happening around her sucked:
And I know she knows him better than she knows anyone because of simple details like her knowing without a doubt that he called her in 3x01 even though he didn’t say anything:
That she had faith that he would save Matt first in 3x22 because he understands what it is to love others deeply and to think of friends and family:
But does she ever say she knows Damon better than anyone, that Damon knows who she really is? What does Damon know about Elena besides the fact that she hates chardonnay? And it gets to the point that in 5x18 this conversation happens:
And while Stefan may have the stupid retort that you can’t be in love with someone and friends with them (which the writers actually backtrack when it comes to Caroline because the first thing they say they love about each other is that they’re best friends so this was clearly to push DE forward) but even with that, the fact remains that Elena yearns for the same intimacy she has with Stefan with Damon because there’s something missing, she can’t reach this level of vulnerability and intimacy and emotional chemistry with Damon.
Which leads me to another point. Stefan and Elena never gave up on each other:
and it’s true because even when Stefan is mad at hell at Elena and at Damon for being together and lying about it, when Elena calls him for help so Jeremy won’t die, he brushes her off initially, but he still comes to her aid even if it is in a self-satisfying way. Stefan and Elena inspire in one another the motivation to never give up in life and to never give up on each other, to always keep fighting for who and what they love but Damon and Elena give up constantly. Stefan is the one who has to tell them both to fight for each other, it’s never something they can do on their own:
Stefan and Elena awaken passion within one another that goes far beyond simple passion for each other, they awaken passion about living, about being out in the world, being a good sibling, being a good friend, they make each other happy which allows them to be there for those around them. Plus the amount of passion they have for each other is intense if it wasn’t intense then they wouldn’t be able to do what they’ve done for each other. Stefan makes Elena glad to be alive period, Elena only wants to live for Damon, she only wants to make him happy, she only wants to make sure he’s OK, with Damon she’s sanded down to a caretaker and nothing more. That isn’t love.
de fans
delena fans: Stefan’s selfish for turning Damon into a vampire, and not fulfilling his last wish.
delena fans: Stefan’s selfish for fulfilling Elena’s last wish, he should have gone against what she wanted.
delena fans: It’s too dangerous for Elena to be with Stefan. He’s a ripper.
delena fans: Stefans just the safe option, it’s the only reason Elena’s with him.
Can I just add
delena fans: Damon bit Elena, omg poor Damon. He only did it because he was ill and hallucinating.
delena fans: Omg Stefan bit Elena. What the hell. That’s disgusting why’s she still with him. I don’t care if he was compelled twice he still bit her.
also
delena fans: Aw, Damon only snapped Jeremy’s neck because elena rejected him. Poor Damon.
delena fans: Stefan threatened to drive elena off the bridge, fucking disgusting omg
delena fans: Who cares if stefan and elena met first
delena fans: OMFG DAMON AND ELENA MET FIRST OTPPPPP
Also can I just add
delena fans: Damon killed Lexi because it was a part of his plan. He’s just a misunderstood hurt man. Nobody loves him
delena fans: HOLY CRAP. DID YOU SEE THAT. STEFAN KILLED ANDIE. He better crash and burn, I mean what the hell. Did you see Damons face when she died? I’m crying. Stefan is such a horrible cruel person. UGH
Oh and
Delena fans: So what if Damon crushed Elena by making her believe that Bonnie died? It was part of his plan to get to Klaus and keep Elena safe; he doesn’t care if she hates him because he loves her SOO much
Delena fans: So what if it was a part of a plan to get to Klaus and keep Elena safe it was fucked up that Stefan tried to drive her off of that bridge OMG how can you even ship Stelena after that he doesn’t love her
also
delena fans: when Elena said that Rebekah is just a girl and she loves recklessly even if it consumes her - she was so talking about her love for Stefan. It’s destroying her but she keeps holding on
delena fans: OMG HOLY CRAP. DAMON SAID THAT SHE WANTS LOVE THAT CONSUMES HER. and then she said that Damon consumes her. OTP OTP OTP. Endgame.
Last and most importantly
delena fans: Stelena fans are so immature calling Elena a bitch and a whore just because she kissed Damon. SHE IS SINGLE AND CAN DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS SO DEAL WITH IT Damon deserves Elena
delena fans: I cannot fucking believe she asked Stefan to go to the dance with her/chose Stefan like nothing happened what a bitch I don’t even like Elena anymore you know what fuck her she doesn’t deserve Damon
Also
delena fans: Elena never gives up on Damon no matter what he does. That makes her so strong in my eyes, this is so beautiful, all the feelings!
delena fans (after 3x14): OMG Elena what is wrong with her? She’s so stupid for clinging on to Stefan, after everything he did to her. Trying to reach out to him? Damn she’s so weak, she should just give up on him already.
oh and
delena fans: omg. Elena chose Stefan.. Now i’m going to stop watching tvd!!
delena fans: wow. If there is DEx, se fans will stop watching. You guys are so pathetic.
oh yeah, and
delena fans: Omg that lexi quote is totally about delena! when its real you can’t walk away!!!!!
delena fans: Elena needs to let stefan go and stop chasing him, its unhealthy and its ruining her
delena fans: Wtf, Stefan kissing Elena in 3x22 was wrong! It doesn’t matter if she’s single, she was in the middle of making her choice, he shouldn’t of kissed her wtf, that manipulating pig!
delena fans: Who cares if Damon tried to kiss Elena and go after her when she was with Stefan. He can’t help who he falls in love with!
delena fans: Now because of Stefan, Elena is a vampire. The one thing she never wanted!!!
delena fans: OMFG ELENA WAS TURNED INTO A VAMPIRE WITH DAMONS BLOOD, HE KEPT HER ALIVE, HE SAVED HER OMG OTP!
delena fans: ROSE’S SPEECH WAS SO ACCURATE. DAMON CHALLENGES HER! OTP
delena fans: Oh my god, how dare they write Caroline saying Stefan is Elena’s true love?! That is totally manipulative and wrong and bad writing!
And also
delena fans: Damon has always been there for Elena even when Stefan wasn’t around. He was always comforting her…. He loves her so damn much.
delena fans: Wtf, did you see Stefan comforting Elena after Alaric died? He knew she was weak and took advantage of the situation. He’s such a manipulative asshole.
What about stelena makes them superior to delena? Don't be afraid to spill some tea boo I'm ready to show my de loving friends this response 😂🙌🏻
Oh, damn. You want me to come up with an entirely new post on this, eh? OK so there is going to be a lot of repetition since I have so many different posts and gifsets on this very subject.
Let’s start with a very simple question:
What is it that Damon and Elena do as a couple?
Honest to God. From season 4 onward when Elena makes Damon her choice what is it that they do with each other that isn’t them having sex and them simply telling each other that they love one another?
They call each other soulmates but why? What have they done to get to soulmate status? Elena says that Damon makes her feel “alive” and that she was drawn to his adventurousness and recklessness but what’s an example of them doing something adventurous and reckless? Was it when he took her on a motorcycle ride and she stood on the seat and put her arms in the air? Oh wait, no, that was Stefan. Was it when he took her to a closed amusement park and whisked her to the top of a ferris wheel and made her laugh? Oh wait, no that was Stefan.
Damon makes her feel alive because … … … …. like I’m waiting.
Is it because when she was sad and she needed to be reminded of the beauty life offers he took her to the top of a hill to watch a sunset? OH WAIT NO, THAT WAS STEFAN. Because when she thought the pain of losing Alaric was going to devour her and she didn’t want to stop, she didn’t want to think, he took her by the hand and encouraged her to embrace the sorrow because to feel sad is to feel human and to feel human is to feel alive? No, no again that was Stefan. I’m still waiting for receipts, for actions, for moments during their relationship where we see how Damon pushes Elena and thrills Elena and makes her mature because really I just remember watching Elena tell everyone and everyone tell her that he does this for her, I don’t actually see it.
But with Stelena? When Elena wanted to kill Katherine and didn’t care about risking Bonnie’s life because she channelled all of her emotion to rage it was Stefan who let her know that she can’t burn the world down simply because she feels sad that day. In 2x14 when Stefan finds out that Elena has been making deals with the Originals and resigned herself to the fact that she was going to die, he yells about not allowing her to give up. In 1x03 when Elena calls herself a quitter because she quit the cheerleading team, Stefan tells her that she isn’t a quitter but that she’s making room for a new life and that’s OK. Stefan pushes her, Stefan makes her mature, Stefan is the one who reads her when it comes to things other than him. The only time Damon ever challenges Elena is when it’s about how she feels about him like in 3x02 when he makes her say she cares about him or in 4x01 when he tells her he knows she knows that she remembered him telling her he loved her and doesn’t deserve her. Damon doesn’t push Elena in life. But Stefan does.
And same with what Elena “does” for Damon:
How could Elena possibly redeem Damon when he responds to her breaking up with him by kidnapping her brother and killing her friends so she can suffer the way he suffers? How could Damon possibly be a better person with Elena when he systemically kills Whitmores when he’s in a relationship with her? How could Elena possibly be the one good thing in his life when they’re in a toxic relationship? That’s right she can’t.
But with Stefan, Elena actually did make him a better person because his vampiric tendencies settled when he was around her, which is huge because vampiric tendencies for Stefan are ripper tendencies, all of his darkest urges, all of his demons come through with his vampiric urges but being with Elena calmed that. Stefan didn’t just say that Elena made him a better person, we see it with what? Action.
It’s the difference between this:
and this:
Not to mention, Stefan and Elena’s foundation was hella stronger than Damon and Elena’s; when DE are put to the same tests that SE are, DE always loses. Stefan’s love for Elena was so strong, it was the key to holding on to his humanity, the key to not forgetting himself and giving his way completely to the darkness so he could do this:
But Damon:
In 6x06 Damon was convinced that Elena seeing his face would make her remember their relationship: “I just need to see her, Stefan! Our eyes will meet, fireworks will go off, and the balance of nature will be restored. She loves me!” And what happened was:
But in 5x03 Elena’s worry over Stefan and her anger that Damon kept his whereabouts from his triggers a compulsion so intense that she would blow up an entire dorm and yet thinking about Stefan, about finding him was enough to break through Silas’ compulsion; her rage disappears:
Not to mention Stefan and Elena know each other implicitly, which she says repeatedly and throughout different seasons:
and unlike with Delena there are actual receipts for the things they say to each other. I believe that Stefan knows Elena better than anyone because in 4x21 when she was going through her emotional turmoil because her humanity came rushing back, only he was able to calm her through it:
In 2x20 he knew that Elena just needed a moment to let it out that she didn’t want to be a vampire but that she was too afraid to admit it:
In 3x20 he knew exactly the right thing to say to get her to embrace what was happening around her even though what was happening around her sucked:
And I know she knows him better than she knows anyone because of simple details like her knowing without a doubt that he called her in 3x01 even though he didn’t say anything:
That she had faith that he would save Matt first in 3x22 because he understands what it is to love others deeply and to think of friends and family:
But does she ever say she knows Damon better than anyone, that Damon knows who she really is? What does Damon know about Elena besides the fact that she hates chardonnay? And it gets to the point that in 5x18 this conversation happens:
And while Stefan may have the stupid retort that you can’t be in love with someone and friends with them (which the writers actually backtrack when it comes to Caroline because the first thing they say they love about each other is that they’re best friends so this was clearly to push DE forward) but even with that, the fact remains that Elena yearns for the same intimacy she has with Stefan with Damon because there’s something missing, she can’t reach this level of vulnerability and intimacy and emotional chemistry with Damon.
Which leads me to another point. Stefan and Elena never gave up on each other:
and it’s true because even when Stefan is mad at hell at Elena and at Damon for being together and lying about it, when Elena calls him for help so Jeremy won’t die, he brushes her off initially, but he still comes to her aid even if it is in a self-satisfying way. Stefan and Elena inspire in one another the motivation to never give up in life and to never give up on each other, to always keep fighting for who and what they love but Damon and Elena give up constantly. Stefan is the one who has to tell them both to fight for each other, it’s never something they can do on their own:
Stefan and Elena awaken passion within one another that goes far beyond simple passion for each other, they awaken passion about living, about being out in the world, being a good sibling, being a good friend, they make each other happy which allows them to be there for those around them. Plus the amount of passion they have for each other is intense if it wasn’t intense then they wouldn’t be able to do what they’ve done for each other. Stefan makes Elena glad to be alive period, Elena only wants to live for Damon, she only wants to make him happy, she only wants to make sure he’s OK, with Damon she’s sanded down to a caretaker and nothing more. That isn’t love.
I'm just gonna pretend I didn't now just see a tiktok caption that says, and I quote, "delena anti's are usually single bc they have bad taste in relationships"
Do they need to be reminded what they're shipping again? Because what it looks to me is that they have horrible taste in relationships. And if we go by their stupid logic, then I would rather be single than have a relationship like Damon and Elena.
I know I should just ignore them, but someone needs to call out their stupidity once in a while
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Amen!
i’m kind of over the ‘epic’ delena kisses at the end of every ep of TVD i used to ship it once, now it’s getting ridiculous. Elena’s excuses are so not on point, bamon seems a lot more realistic at this point
Bonnie though… does anybody remember the brief time when she was touchable and visible and stuff?? because it feels like for two seasons straight she’s been trapped somewhere, and no one seems to give two shits about her, unless she’s dying