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I like what you have to say and I'd like to include my thoughts on Felix Chat Noir.

Actual question for y’all: is there any official confirmation that the leaked Catwalker concept art is for the villain of episode 23, Kuro Neko, whose name was changed? Or is that an assumption made by unofficial sources spreading the art around? And is there any confirmation that the character will appear in episode 23?

My first thought upon seeing this was “Felix”. Like he took the miraculous from whoever had it last and used it himself. My first reaction to the name “Catwalker” was like “skinwalker” which reminded me of the evil impostor act Felix pulled in season three, but then I realized that that was pretty dumb since that’s probably not what “Catwalker” is a play on. Plus, if Felix kept going with the impostor thing, why not make himself look more like Chat Noir? I get changing the design so that young viewers aren’t confused but the characters are due to in-universe magic, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. What does support it being Felix is that he’s supposed to appear in three episodes this season, all three of which we’re yet to see, and when this art (censor-blurred) was leaked in Lindalee Rose’s video, most people jumped to Cat!Felix.

My second thought: whoever this is is trying way too hard to look like Adrien.

I think my favorite theory, true or not, is that this is literally just Adrien again. For some reason, he loses his miraculous. Gabriel gets it in Ephemeral, but maybe Ladybug gets it back without permanently learning Chat’s identity, and needs to choose a new cat in an emergency, so she chooses Adrien. Maybe she does it because of her crush, or maybe Luka’s trying to lowkey push her, but Adrien thinks he can’t reveal himself, so he redesigns his hero persona. This leads to him having his bangs cut a lot more like his civilian self, and his name, Catwalker, being a pun on his modeling job. He chooses surface level traits that Ladybug would know about the famous Adrien Agreste to hide that he’s actually Chat Noir. My doubt here is that the pose of that 2D concept art is different from both his Adrien concept art pose and his Chat one. The concept artists typically reuse bases for the same characters, and I don’t recognize this one, although I haven’t seen many characters’ art.

There’s a popular theory going around that this is the “new visitor from the future” Winny mentioned once, and that he’s one of the future Adrienette boys. That theory is pretty cute and interesting, but this character’s face looks exactly like Adrien/Felix’s, and the character designers are pretty good at not making kids clones of their parents. Plus, if Adrien doesn’t want anything to do with modeling when he grows up, what would make his kid be “Catwalker”? I’m pretty curious about the visitor, but I’m not sure this is it. I don’t think this is future Adrien either, because he looks young and, once again, is trying very hard to resemble surface-level present Adrien.

About Kuro Neko

I’m not giving up on the sentimonster idea because the Zag influencers have said time and time again that Kuro Neko is the villain of the episode, just like every other “name” episode title in the show. If Catwalker really did get changed to Kuro Neko, he’d have to be evil, excluding the future-son-coming-to-help-theory or him being Adrien, unless Gabriel gave him the miraculous he stole and is forcing him to follow his evil plan.

This, or Cat!Felix, would be really interesting imo, and I’d love to see some angst and big brain plays. But as many have asked, why the Japanese name? This guy seems to be white, and there’s no component of Catwalker’s design that references anything Japanese.

What do have Japanese names are Mayura’s sentis this season. Optigami and Hack-San were both pretty smart plans, all thanks to her. My headcanon is that she’s been taking Japanese on Duolingo while on bed rest lmao. What also ties into Japanese culture is this character who was spoiled in a Miraculous World video, which reminds many people of a Japanese lucky cat figurine.

I’m pretty intrigued by the spoiled models all around, and I love reading everyone’s ideas. Lmk if anyone would like analysis posts about any of the other leaks, but right now I mostly want to know what information has been officially confirmed about them and what is just conjecture. I know that’s pretty hard to place when these spoilers were leaked illegally and Zag wants to cover them up, but if anyone knows, please let me know.

Edit in conclusion: to be clear, the theory I’m leaning towards the most as of right now, (being true based on what we know, not what I want to happen) is that Catwalker is Felix pretending to be Adrien using the cat miraculous. The concept art pose is what throws me off of the “Adrien using the cat miraculous but pretending not to be Chat” theory the most, as much as I like it, and the character having Adrien/Felix’s exact face plus the model pun name is what throws me off the “future son” theory.

I am one of them. I am a staunch sentimonster Adrien denier and I absolutely HATE the possibility of Adrien being sentimonster, and now I am scared for Felix too!

There is about only one specific theory that makes some sense where I'd probably be OK with Adrien being a sentimonster but even that has it problems when looked further into.

I say this because we might be getting something related to senitmonsters based on some of the clues others have pointed out but I feel its going to foreshadow a twist of a twist, like leading the audience and/or the character astray/one direction/to a red herring only for something to then be revealed as something else, like maybe a character thinking he is a sentimonster only to be revealed something else sentimonster etc.

Or maybe its going to be something like that not related to sentimonsters.

Like maybe foreshadowing/hinting at something else in the future that the audience may not understand yet and so they start developing these theories.

It is like one part of Felix and Gabriel's dialogue in "Gabriel Agreste," in front of the Emilie portrait. It suggests that Felix may be a sentimonster of some sort and that Gabriel is willing to end his existence if he doesn't comply with Gabriel, but simultaneously (maybe moreso) it suggests the same but without Gabriel "confirming" himself to be Shadow Moth [- some people thought it was suggesting this but I felt like it wasn't, but it could be taken as such] and implying Felix thinks he is a sentimonster. It would just be saying that Gabe is already powerful enough and doesn't have to be Shadow Moth in order to destroy Felix's life if he doesn't give him the twin ring (his wedding ring) back.

Its such well written, dubious and scary piece of dialogue!

And Gabriel got out of the whole ordeal thinking he got Felix of his case about Shadow Moth while Felix was one step ahead of him.

That piece of dialogue feels like it is written in way to heavily suggest that Felix is a sentimonster but not outright confirm it.

While I hate the theory of Felix being a sentimonster along with the senti Adrien, he has some convincing evidence for this compared to the senti Adrien theory.

I took a break from writing this post at the end of paragraph and came back to it later and now I am not quite in the same headspace as I was when I was when first writing this but this is pretty much everything what I wanted to say.

So to reiterate: I am a very firm denier of the senti Adrien theory as well as the senti Felix theory and I'd hate for both or either to happen, but for better or for worse I fear something is going to happen.

So, how many of you are out there that still simply deny the Sentimonster theory with all your being?

Non-Human’s aren’t worth much

Today, I’m gonna talk to you guys about a narrative device / story trope called “What Measure Is a Non-Human?” This device refers to the choice a creator might make to question the distinction between human and non-human. In terms of censorship, it refers to how, especially in children’s media, you can inflict worse fates on explicitly non-human characters than human ones without the people funding your project trying to axe your story. It’s basically an excuse to rack up a body count without there actually being a body count because the things being “killed” are not human and are, therefore, not really being killed. You can’t kill something that’s a thing.

Thomas Astruc has worked with children’s action/adventure shows for years. He knows about this story device, he has even taken advantage of it. Aeon and Sentibug were killed on-screen and Miraculous Ladybug is still rated TV-Y7 or the equivalent in most countries. In contrast, Batman: Mask of Phantasm, an animated kids’ superhero movie, where human characters die nonviolently on-screen, is rated PG.

Even in the case of the Special, Aeon’s death was undone almost instantly after. This story trope is often called a Disney Death, where a character can die and it won’t affect the rating as long as it gets undone quickly enough through a fakeout or resurrection. Even so, Aeon was in her robot form when it happened, to make sure her non-humanness was explicit. In contrast, Sentibug’s death doesn’t get undone, meaning a Sentimonster’s life is worth even less than a robot’s in the eyes of the arbiters of the Miraculous Ladybug universe.

In other words, Sentimonsters are considered explicitly enough “non-human” that they can be killed irreversibly on-screen without it affecting the rating. They cannot be killed. They do not have lives that can be taken away. They are not human.

This means that, if the writers then turned around and revealed one of their main characters to be a Sentimonster, an explicitly non-human creature that can be killed with no out-of-universe repercussions (aka, a rating bump) because they are not really alive, then he isn’t human in a metatextual sense. If Adrien is meant to preserve his worth as a human being or as close to human being as possible while being a Sentimonster, every single other Sentimonster needs to be treated as fully human and their deaths have to be undone.

No, Adrien and Félix are not sentimonsters. They are twins

          A popular theory among the Miraculers is that Adrien could be a sentimonster. After the episode “Gabriel Agreste,” Félix was included in it, which gained force after the Season 4’s final episodes: “Risk” and “Strikeback.” Ambassador Feri González’s declaration about “having known about ‘Senti Adrien’ since Season 2” strengthened the conviction of the idea’s defenders.

          Despite its many arguments, the thesis about Adrien has many holes, which are enough to completely refute it. The same goes for the hypothesis about Félix. Supporters of the theory are so attached to it that they ignore an idea that is simpler and makes more sense: Adrien and Félix are identical twins, and Gabriel stole one of them in the maternity ward. To better understand this subject, this text will address all the arguments presented in the discussion and show why Adrien and Félix are indeed twins and not sentimonsters.

(Note: The text is NOT intended to attack or hurt anyone, only to contribute to the debate.)

1- There are no “identical cousins,” only identical twins

          Félix was introduced in Miraculous Ladybug as Adrien’s cousin. They look exactly alike (even Amelie says they look like twins). That fact is very curious since cousins can’t be born identical. Even if two identical twins (like Emilie, Adrien’s mother, and Amelie, Félix’s mother) marry two identical twins, their children are not born alike (although they have many similar genes). Those who want to understand better can read the article “If twin brothers marry twin sisters, will their children be identical?” by Luiza Andrade (web link in sources), which has the book The Human Body as its reference. Thenceforth, the theory that Félix is Amelie’s son with a possible identical twin brother of Gabriel, or even Gabriel himself (if that were so, all siblings, twins or not, would look the same) is discarded.

(Note: The case of identical twins Brittany and Briana Deane, who married identical twins Josh and Jeremy Salyers and had identical children, Jett and Jax, is reported sensationally in the media. Although very similar, having virtually sibling DNA, the little boys will show their differences more clearly as they grow up. It’s harder to notice them in babies.)

Félix and Adrien in “Félix”

          Félix’s origin is linked to the first concept of Cat Noir, which was discarded by Thomas Astruc as a cliché. The series creator repurposed the character and put him in another context. That is one of the reasons why Adrien and Félix are identical, but it’s not the only one. As explained before, there are no equal cousins ​​in real life. Even in fiction, it’s not very common. One example is the TV show Hannah Montana, which introduced Luanne Stewart as an identical cousin of the protagonist Miley Stewart. However, there is a big difference between the two cases. Luanne is an irrelevant character to the show, created to appear in just one episode. Therefore, that unreal element does not affect the reasoning of the central narrative. Félix, on the contrary, is central to several Miraculous Ladybug’s arcs, such as the Agreste family’s and the Hawk Moth’s. Therefore, he’s a character that requires development and attention, and his resemblance to Adrien cannot be a mere chance.

Félix's original version

2- Identical twins with different personalities are common in fiction

          Although equal in looking, Adrien and Félix have very different personalities. Adrien is friendly and naive, while Félix is introverted and clever. Countless stories (of varied genres) have identical twins with opposite mentalities and “switch places.” That is what happens, for example, with Hiashi and Hizashi Hyuuga, from Naruto: Hizashi is wise and brave, while Hiashi is stubborn and, in some ways, coward (strong to face enemies but weak to fight the injustices of his clan). Hizashi even goes so far as to impersonate Hiashi to save his brother’s life.

          The concept of “good twin and evil twin” is so common it can even be considered cliché. Stories like the book and movie The Man in the Iron Mask, the soap opera Deceptions (La usurpadora), and even a special Halloween episode of The Simpsons all bring that element. So far, Félix can be considered the “evil twin” and Adrien the “good twin,” but it depends on what are Félix’s real intentions. For now, he has shown evil, but many fans (myself included) believe he may be tricking Gabriel* to defeat him later. Remembering that Félix is very smart and, as a Graham of Vanily, not just doesn’t trust Gabriel but considers him an enemy for having taken possession of his family’s rings. That mistrust, for sure, increased after Félix discovered Emilie’s dead body in the Agreste Manor’s basement. Then, he may have given that ring to his uncle as a retreat to later advance his plan to defeat him.

(*This possibility of Félix’s double-play furthers my theory that he could form a couple with Zoé. Learn more in “Why Lukloé won’t happen, but Lukagami will.”)

Félix and Adrien in “Risk”

          Therefore, Adrien and Félix being twins would not be surprising in Miraculous Ladybug, as it addresses a common idea in fiction. Despite that theme being somewhat dramatic, the series has a history of approaching mature subjects, especially from Season 4.

          The creation of Félix from a discarded idea’s relocation is the starting point of his development, which allowed another mystery to be inserted in the Agreste family arc. Félix and Adrien are yet another representation of yin-yang, an element very present in Miraculous Ladybug (the other being Cat Noir and Ladybug themselves and their miraculouses). They are antagonistic and simultaneously complement each other. Félix develops from Adrien and Adrien develops from Félix. Since even simple details aren’t inserted in an audiovisual series at random, it would be no different with an interpersonal characteristic that dialogues so much with the show’s theme.

3- Gabriel is fully capable of kidnapping a child

          Gabriel Agreste has proven to be one of the most perverse villains in fiction. He simply has no scruples and goes to great lengths to achieve his goals, no matter the consequences. In light of that and the previous explanations about Adrien and Félix being twins, it is possible to imagine that the Butterfly Miraculous holder is responsible for the “emergence” of “identical cousins.”

          Gabriel’s interest in the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings is curious. In “Félix,” Amelie clears that they must stay with the family. Therefore, it is strange that the Grahams of Vanily “authorized” Emilie and Gabriel to wear them as wedding rings, knowing that she would become an Agreste. Amelie’s insistence on taking them back after her sister’s death proves that the family doesn’t accept that they are with third parties, including their members’ spouses. Even aware of this, her brother-in-law feels entitled to keep the rings with him. We note that Gabriel has a habit of taking possession of things that don’t belong to him (the miraculouses and the rings), and he uses people for this. Nathalie got the miraculouses for her boss, and Emilie may have taken her family’s treasure at her husband’s behest. From what he did to Nooroo in “Sandboy” (having made Kwami’s mouth close momentarily with a snap of his fingers) and the hints in “Gabriel Agreste” (Nathaniel’s drawings), it is clear that Gabriel is, in fact, a wizard. Therefore, he may have bewitched Emilie to steal the rings. Knowing that the stylist likes to take what is not his, the theory about the true origin of Adrien and Félix comes into play.

Gabriel bewitching Nooroo in “Sandboy”

          Adrien’s stories and photos indicate that Emilie was a good person. Although naive, the boy notices the true nature of people (e.g., he limits himself to saying that his father is “protective,” as it’s not possible to say anything good about him, and he does not fall for Lila’s lies). Then, she may have wanted to be a mother. On the other hand, Gabriel perhaps planned to have an heir who would guarantee his wife’s inheritance (depending on the marriage regime, he would only manage such an inheritance if he had a child with the deceased one). Félix and Adrien are the same age, so Amelie got pregnant at the same time as her sister.

          The theory goes that Emilie and Gabriel’s child didn’t survive birth, while Amelie gave birth to twins on the same day and in the hospital. Both childbirths were difficult, and the sisters passed out during the procedure. Needing an heir, Gabriel bribed or bewitched the doctors and hospital staff to exchange his stillborn child for one of Amelie’s babies. In this way, it would appear that she had dizygotic (non-identical) twins, and one of them didn’t survive. It would be a plausible explanation since births of twins are usually more complicated). Because they were unconscious, Emilie and Amelie wouldn’t know anything and would accept the children with the versions given by the hospital. In Miraculous Ladybug, characters tend to be more perceptive of personalities than physical appearances. Then, neither Adrien nor Felix or Amelie having suspected why the “cousins” look like the same wouldn’t be a surprise.

(Note: It is known that the Graham of Vanily family live in London and the Agrestes in Paris, but nothing prevents Emilie and Amelie from being in the same city when they are having their children.)

Amelie, Félix, and Adrien in “Félix”

          Some fans might argue that a newborn theft from the maternity ward would be too heavy a topic for a children’s cartoon. However, there are two points to consider. First, that subject has already been addressed in other works aimed at children: it’s what moves the plot of the children’s soap opera Accomplices to the Rescue (Cómplices al rescate). Second, Miraculous Ladybug has already addressed mature and controversial issues. The episode “Truth” brought up the theme of parental abandonment by revealing that Jagged Stone is Luka and Juleka’s biological father. Although avoided by children’s stories, that is sadly the reality for many children, and Miraculous Ladybug promotes inclusivity by portraying it in an episode. Gabriel himself keeping Emilie’s dead body in his basement is pretty macabre for a children’s show, yet it is shown. By the same line of reasoning, having sentimonsters in significant roles in the story (one of them as the protagonist) seems much more bizarre for a children’s animation than having human twins separated at birth.

4- Signs that strengthen the twins’ theory

          In an audiovisual work, nothing is inserted at random. There is always a reason behind it. Speeches, costumes, colors, references, everything has a purpose. Two big signs feed the theory that Adrien and Félix are biological brothers. Both are in the episode “Félix.”

          When Gabriel and his son are in the Agreste Manor’s hall waiting for their visits, the door opens, and Adrien is surprised by Amelie, calling her “Mom.” Then, after a few moments, the boy realizes that she is his “Aunt Amelie.” As the scene is the first time the character has appeared, it’s clear that it was created to shock viewers into believing that it’s Emilie at the door. However, in the context of the series, Adrien knows that his mother is dead* and that she has an identical twin sister (mother of the cousin he is very close to). Then, as shaken as he was at that moment, it makes no sense that Adrien would believe his mother was “resurrected.” It was, in fact, his unconscious calling her “Mom,” rescuing a memory of when he was inside her.

(*Even though Emilie is referred to as “missing” in some episodes, like “Queen Wasp,” Thomas Astruc confirmed that it’s public knowledge that she is dead, including having a funeral.)

Thomas Astruc confirming the note above

          Shortly after, Adrien hugs Félix and Amelie says: “they look just like twins.” Such a statement was not inserted into her speech at random. Even if she doesn’t realize it, her unconscious knows that they are twins. Additionally, Amelie reveals that Adrien and Félix had Gabriel and Emilie fooled for a whole weekend by switching places but doesn’t say if she and her husband haven’t noticed the difference. Parents recognize their children by the tiniest details. Parents of identical twins know who is one and who is the other. If Emilie and Gabriel took long to realize that it was Félix instead of Adrien, they don’t have the same parental sense as Amelie and her husband, the boys’ true parents.

          There are many mysteries about the Agreste and Graham de Vanily families. It is a fact that Emilie’s biological family feels enmity toward Gabriel. Such sentiment would be maximized if they found out that the stylist stole one of Amelie’s children and kept him away from the family since Emilie died (as evidenced by Gabriel’s refusal to let Adrien go to Félix’s father’s funeral).

5- Refuting the arguments of Adrien being a sentimonster theory

a) Argument: Adrien is perfect (Thomas Astruc himself jokes that his middle name is “Perfection”)

Answer: Actually, Adrien is not perfect. Thomas Astruc made this joke because the character is handsome and kind, a great combination. Adrien does have flaws. He is naive, dumb, jealous, and a cheapskate. Besides, played with Kagami’s feelings (by dating her while in love with someone else). He also was dishonest with Luka (by confiding to Marinette that he doesn’t know how to play guitar instead of admitting it out loud so that Jagged Stone would know and then accepting Luka’s guitar instead of directly suggesting to Marinette to indicate the guitarist). That doesn’t mean Adrien is evil, but he’s not perfect either.

b) Argument: There are no Adrien’s photos as a baby or child

Answer: There is a drawing made by Adrien as a child that appeared in “The Collector.” Also, Chloé is a childhood friend of his, and Félix seems to have known her since that time too. If Adrien were a sentimonster, Chloé wouldn’t have known him since they were kids, as sentimonsters are stationary.

Reply 1: Emilie may have created one Adrien a year for him to “grow up,” and thus overused the damaged miraculous and died.

Rejoinder 1: Adrien’s drawing shows the boy with his parents in Tibet, where Nathalie found the miraculouses and the spell book. Having the Peacock Miraculous in her hands when her son was already born, Emilie couldn’t have created Adrien from an amok.

Reply 2: Adrien may have been created by another Peacock Miraculous wielder before Emilie

Rejoinder 2: How did he get to Emilie and Gabriel then? How did the Agrestes get the amokized object to control him? That would open another arc and make the series very confused. I believe those responsible for Miraculous Ladybug don’t want that.

Reply 3: The original Adrien may have died, and Gabriel and Emilie created a sentimonster just like him.

Rejoinder 3: Then there’s no reason for Gabriel to resurrect Emilie. Just create a sentimonster just like her.

The drawing Adrien made in his childhood

c) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel seems too old to have biological children, so he resorted to the Peacock Miraculous used by his wife to have a child

Answer: Even older men can have biological children (e.g., Mick Jagger’s youngest son was born in 2016, when the singer was 73). Gabriel has enough money to invest in methods like IVF. He doesn’t need to create a sentimonster to be a father.

d) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel doesn’t show affection for Adrien, probably because Emilie used the damaged Peacock Miraculous too much to keep the sentimonster as an ordinary child and died

Answer: Not receiving affection from his father doesn’t mean Adrien is a sentimonster. Gabriel is not a caring person. Having raised Adrien for so many years, he was supposed to have, at the very least, an affection for the boy, even if he wasn’t his biological son. But Gabriel is very selfish and unable to be affectionate. That goes for everyone.

e) Argument: In “Ladybug & Cat Noir (Origins - Part 1)”, Gabriel tells Adrien: “you are not like everyone else.”

Answer: That’s what any parent says when their kids try to convince them of something because “everybody” does. The phrase is more a confirmation of Gabriel’s parental authority than anything else.

f) Argument and hypothesis: The episode “Optigami” revealed that sentimonsters can use miraculouses, so Master Fu could have entrusted the Cat Miraculous to Adrien even realizing he is a sentimonster

Answer: Yes, sentimonsters can use miraculouses, but that doesn’t set Adrien up as one. He lacks many of the fundamental characteristics of sentimonsters, such as physical stability and absolute subservience. Also, knowing that sentimonsters are creatures controlled by whoever holds the amokized object, Master Fu wouldn’t risk handing a miraculous as powerful as the Cat to a sentimonster, as it’s unknown who can control it later.

g) Argument: Adrien is totally obedient to Gabriel

Answer: That’s not true. Although not confronting Gabriel, Adrien questions his father’s decisions and sometimes disobeys him. In “Ladybug & Cat Noir (Origins - Part 1),” he runs away to study at a school against his father’s order to be homeschooled. In “Frozer,” he asks the bodyguard to take him to the skating rink, even though Gabriel thinks he is going to school to train in fencing. In “Desperada,” Adrien goes to Luka’s boat instead of his fencing class. Sentimonsters never rebel against whoever holds the amokized object that controls them. For them to have freedom, the amokized thing must be given directly to them, as seen in “Ladybug.”

h) Argument and hypothesis: Thomas Astruc said that if a sentimonster is created to be a human, it is human, not a human-shaped creature; therefore, it’s possible that Adrien has a will of his own and makes his own decisions even though he is a sentimonster

Answer: Gabriel is very controlling, even wanting to isolate his son from the rest of the world. Why would he create a human sentimonster with a will of its own? The episodes “Ladybug” and “Sentibubbler” show that whoever decides how a sentimonster act is who controls it. So, even if Emilie had created Adrien as a human sentimonster with his own will, Gabriel could take away that autonomy when he got the amokized object. For his plans, it’s not good to have an independent Adrien. If the boy is like that, he isn’t a sentimonster.

(Note: As well-remembered by the Toujours Miraculous post (web link in sources), Adrien has a hot body and is allergic to pigeon feathers. These traits are entirely human. It wouldn’t make sense for a sentimonster to be created with allergies (even if it was to give it a human character), as this kind of condition isn’t something immediately noted. Gabriel wants to show the world that Adrien is perfect. If the boy were a sentimonster, he would have been made without any allergies or unfavorable conditions. At the very least, Gabriel would eliminate them when controlling him.)

i) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel stirs his ring to make Adrien obey him, as seen in “Ephemeral” and in “Strikeback;” it may contain the amok which created Adrien

Answer: If Adrien were a sentimonster, it would be impossible for Gabriel to need to move the amokized object to increase control over him, as Adrien wouldn’t even show signs of disobedience. It wouldn’t be possible for the boy to react against his father’s domination if the amokized object were under his control and not someone else’s (who could give him autonomy). It’s more likely that the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings have a spell that controls people.

j) Argument: The episode “Wishmaker” showed that Adrien had no childhood dreams and that he wants to be what his parents want him to be

Answer: Not all children dream of the future. Many of them answer “I don’t know” when asked what they want to be when they grow up (I’ve met some of them myself). Adrien may have been an insecure child and saw his parents as his desired protection. Soon, he felt comfortable fulfilling Emilie and Gabriel’s wishes and couldn’t imagine doing anything they didn’t plan.

k) Argument: Feri González said she has known about “Senti Adrien” since Season 2

Answer: Actually, when asked on the internet how long she had known about “Senti Adrien,” Feri González replied, “Since Season 2”. That answer has two meanings. She may be confirming that Adrien is a sentimonster and that she would have been warned about this during Season 2. However, she could also be implying that she’s been aware since Season 2 of a theory that Adrien is a sentimonster. It is different saying “Joseph loves Mary” than saying “I heard that Joseph loves Mary.” They asked what Feri González knows, and she answered literally. That feature is often used to mislead without telling lies. The Miraculous Ladybug staff doesn’t like when fans try to discover the show’s secrets before the revelation episodes. Proof of that is Thomas Astruc’s ironic, even rude, reply to a fan who asked if Luka and Juleka were Jagged Stone’s children based on their looking. The cartoon’s creator hinted that such a suspicion was absurd, but the episode “Truth” proved it correct. To prevent fans from suspecting what’s going on in the Agreste family, Feri González may be giving them literal answers to throw them off track and keep them away from premature discoveries. She misled fans before when she said that Adrien should “take care” as Luka would enter Marinette’s love life, and so far, not only has Adrien remained intact in Marinette’s heart, Luka got very frustrated.

Thomas Astruc doesn’t like the Sherlocks Holmes on duty

l) Argument: Adrien is practically a copy of Emilie, having no trace of Gabriel

Answer: Indeed, Adrien bears no physical resemblance to Gabriel, indicating that he is not his biological son. However, he is also not a copy of Emilie, as although he has his mother’s eyes, nose, and mouth, his head shape is different (and not the same as Gabriel’s). His hair is also a more saturated shade of blonde than Emilie’s. At the same time, the lack of resemblance between the boy and Gabriel doesn’t explain how Adrien is identical to Félix. It is most likely they are identical twins, and what they didn’t get from Amelie, they got from her husband.

Remark: In “Feast,” Mayura felt the presence of the sentimonster created by Master Fu. She was in the same ambiance as Cat Noir in “Ladybug” while using the Peacock Miraculous and didn’t feel anything different.

6- Refuting the arguments of Félix being a sentimonster theory

a) Argument: In “Gabriel Agreste,” Gabriel threatens to snap his fingers to make Félix disappear; Sentimonsters are freed from reality when their creators snap their fingers

Answer: Nathalie’s plan of Shadow Moth creating a sentimonster in Gabriel’s shape to fight his nephew while the villain tries to akumatize him had a clear objective: to prevent Félix from suspecting that Gabriel is Shadow Moth. If Félix were a sentimonster and would be freed from reality with a snap, Gabriel’s threat would confess that he is Shadow Moth. Then, the plan would no longer make sense (he would be doing what needed to be avoided). Although Gabriel isn’t always that intelligent, that’s a huge mistake that he would never make, especially with someone as smart as Félix. The threat to make the boy disappear in a snap contains a metaphor for death and one for speed. Félix was scared because, even knowing that his uncle is mysterious and dishonest, he wouldn’t have imagined that he would be capable of committing murder (and this had to be implied smoothly, as it’s a children’s cartoon). Gabriel, in response, would not back down from the threatening tone to increase fear in Félix and allow his akumatization. However, he didn’t count on his nephew’s cunning and endurance.

Senti-Gabriel threating Félix in “Gabriel Agreste”

b) Argument and hypothesis: Nathalie stints the ring given by Gabriel to control Félix, who pretended to be Adrien; each of the bands can contain an amok (one that created Félix and one that originated Adrien)

Answer: If Félix were a sentimonster whose amok would be in one of the rings, Gabriel would have no problem controlling him, and Félix wouldn’t confront him like he did when they were alone in the studio. Even his uncle could take away the sharp intelligence that seriously threatens the villain’s plans. Félix is a great actor (proven in “Félix,” “Gabriel Agreste,” and “Risk”), and he knows the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings well. Soon, he may learn of the rings’ hidden power and theorize that Gabriel uses it to control Adrien. To maintain the cover at that moment, he should act like his cousin, therefore not resist the ring’s control when activated. An indication that the rings only control Adrien is the dialogue between the cousins in “Risk:”

F: Freedom is something you make, Adrien. For starters, you gotta stop doing everything your father tells you to.

A: I can’t disobey him.

F: You can’t, but I can.

Then Félix mentions that he and Adrien used to switch places in childhood (which Amelie had already revealed in “Félix”). If they were sentimonsters, they couldn’t have had a childhood, as they would be static. They wouldn’t even have memories of that time and still mention them when alone (without the person who would control them). If they were replaced year by year to “grow up,” the current versions could have no memories of what the old ones lived through. Even if they were created with the power to grow up like any other humans, they would still be subject to Gabriel’s control. That one, as mentioned earlier, would soon turn Adrien and Félix into submissive beings without autonomy of thought.

c) Argument and hypothesis: Although he apologized in secret, Félix didn’t hesitate in betraying Ladybug’s trust and gave the miraculouses to Shadow Moth; therefore, he should be apologizing to the Strikebacks for not being able to do anything for them, who were being thrown into the Sun, and felt sorry for them because he is also a sentimonster

Answer: It makes no sense for Félix to empathize with the Strikebacks. Even if he were a sentimonster, he would have been created to be a human, unlike the Strikebacks, made to be robots. In other words, even sentimonsters, Félix and Strikeback would be of totally different types. It couldn’t have empathy that made sense. It’s more plausible that Félix was actually regretting betraying Ladybug’s trust. He looks fondly at the portrait of his Aunt Emilie (when he is alone, without needing to fool anyone), gets horrified to see her dead body hidden in the Agreste Manor’s basement, and has a strong sense of family. It is seen in his relationship with his mother and with the traditions of the Graham de Vanily. Then, the boy is not a psychopath like Gabriel, and he has a good side. At the same time, he is too clever and managed to find out in one episode what Ladybug and Cat Noir are four seasons without discovering: the identity of Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth. Therefore, Félix may be skeptical of the heroes’ competence in fighting the villain and knows that his intelligence will help him defeat him faster, bringing justice to his family, Paris, and the world. Unfortunately, he would have to take two steps back to succeed in his plan: betray Ladybug’s trust and give the recovered ring to Gabriel. Therefore, he was sad, but he knew it was for a good cause. He would be pretending to be what he isn’t to help the ones he loves, just like Zoé does. If Félix was so mean as to not care about Ladybug’s reaction to his betrayal, he would also not be able to see himself as similar to the Strikebacks to feel sorry for them.

Reply 1: Félix, as Flairmidable, asked Ladybug where the heroes would send the Strikebacks and looked astonished when she replied that it would be a place where they couldn’t hurt anyone; still, the images of Flairmidable and the Strikebacks were shown interspersed.

Rejoinder 1: Interspersing images indicate the simultaneity of events. While the heroes defeated the Strikebacks, Félix prepared to leave the scene. Furthermore, Flairmidable may have been surprised at the genius of Ladybug’s plan, and so he realized that she would not be as incompetent as he had thought when he came up with his original plan. However, it would be too late to turn back, and he had to go on, regretting betraying her trust.

Reply 2: Félix demanded the Peacock Miraculous specifically, and he seemed fulfilled when he finally got his hands on it

Rejoinder 2: That proves nothing. Felix may have a plan in mind that includes using the Peacock Miraculous. It could be something like Nathalie’s idea in “Optigami,” and in this case, he would spy on Gabriel.

Reply 3: Amelie confessed that she wanted to give the rings to Félix because he was fascinated by them; perhaps she wants to free him by handing him the object that controls him

Rejoinder 3: If that were true, Amelie would have had to have owned the rings before Félix was born. By that time, the bands were with Gabriel and Emilie, utilizing them since marriage. At the same time, Amelie sees Félix’s fascination with the bands as his admiration for his family’s traditions. If he were a sentimonster, he wouldn’t notice it himself (because he would be made to be human), and she would have to tell him. From the mother-son conversation in “Félix,” it’s clear that there is no sentimonster involved.

Reply 4: In “Strikeback,” Félix easily gave up the ring to exchange it for the Peacock Miraculous; he may be trying to find a way to transfer the amok from the ring to another object

Rejoinder 4: If it were possible to transfer akumas and amoks, Ladybug would never be able to purify them. Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth and Mayura would immediately place them on other things and keep the akumatized and sentimonsters. When an amok leaves its object, the sentimonster is automatically undone. If Félix were one of those creatures and planned that, he would be committing suicide. It makes more sense that the surrender of the ring is a strategic retreat by Félix. The episode “Gabriel Agreste” shows that he is always one step forward from his uncle.

d) Argument: Miraculous Ladybug’s episodes from Seasons 1 to 4 are named after akumatized or sentimonsters, and Adrien’s cousin’s debut episode is called “Félix.”

Answer: The change in episode naming pattern from Season 5 onwards shows that the naming depends heavily on the staff’s plans. Félix is ​​a substantive character for Miraculous Ladybug, but he wouldn’t be akumatized in his debut. Therefore, the episode could not have a name from her akumatized form like “Volpina,” Lila’s debut. At the same time, perhaps “Punishers Trio” would not be as appealing a title as “Félix,” as it would highlight the akumatized ones (recurring) more than the debuting character who will influence the series’ course. Whatever Felix’s true intention in posing as Adrien to hurt his cousin’s friends was, the fact is that he was an antagonist in the story, then he maintained a pattern of naming episodes from Seasons 1 to 3 as antagonists. Even though the sentimonster Ladybug switched to the side of good in “Ladybug,” it played an evil role when it was under Mayura’s control. The pattern continued through Season 4.

Remark: In “Strikeback,” Félix gives the ring to Gabriel, saying he won’t be needing it anymore. If Félix were a sentimonster and his amok were in the ring, he would never give the object which controls him to Gabriel. He knows his uncle’s nature perfectly.

7- Conclusion

          It’s more plausible that Adrien and Félix are identical twins than sentimonsters. Both don’t fit the profile of beings created by amoks. At the same time, they are compatible with the subject of identical twins with different personalities, common in fiction. Gabriel Agreste is Machiavellian enough to do anything for his goals, including stealing objects and children. There are many indications that the “identical cousins” are actually brothers, and they make more sense than the supposed clues that they are sentimonsters. Miraculous Ladybug is a bright show with a great line of reasoning and mystery, and it wouldn’t need to resort to absurdity to maintain its greatness. The best ending for Adrien and Félix would be that they discover the truth and live happily as brothers, free from the intrigues that Gabriel allowed to arise between them.

The same DNA, the same fraternal love

Sources:

“If twin brothers marry twin sisters, will their children be identical?” by Luiza Andrade (Super Interessante, August 22nd, 2016, updated in February 14th, 2020; in Portuguese; if you don’t speak Portuguese, use a translator)

Adrien being a sentimonster theory, posted on Miraculous Ladybug Wikia forum

“Why Adrien’s NOT a Sentimonster” by Toujours Miraculous

The knowledge that I acquired myself in college.

Are sentimonsters immortal?

Like this guy feast it survived over 100 years in whatever sort of hibernation it was in

(Yes, I am aware that everyone else probably knew this I’m just a little slow and like writing this stuff out)

Does that imply that Félix and whoever else is a sentimonster will probably outlive everyone and that’s a lot of angst