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ATWOW extended cut: When one’s heart is opened in the face of death (my thoughts)

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Ok I held back long enough, I think we have to talk about the Socorro Quaritch moments the extended cut provided us, because I’m obsessed with them. The dynamic that the fandom made up turned out to be true, with Spider being enabled to do as he wants during his time with RDA and Quaritch not once scolding him for his behaviour or "putting him in his place". Captivity was undoubtedly a very stressing time for him, a very emotionally taxing one but it’s interesting to see how the chemistry between these two characters bloomed. The scene where Socorro and the recom squad moved through the forest has shown just how fond Miles is growing of the kid, to the point where he lets go of his toxic behaviours and creates and environment in which the boy feels safe enough to go as far as leading recoms into traps. Also, it’s insanely funny.

The second scene is the extended edition of the Tau’nui village raid, with more violence and more tension. I feel horrible for these poor Na’vi, and for Spider, who got a little more screen time and with that, the movie makes it abundantly clear that Quaritch only makes the decision to burn the village because Spider was begging him not to take a Na’vi life. Not that it wasn’t clear before but I saw some ppl argue that Miles just has a “kind heart” (he does not.)

And then the cherry on top, the stand-off. A scene that should logically have never been cut out because it provides large amounts of character depth to everyone involved, but we’ll finally talk in depth about Quaritch and how he changed Spider’s opinion on him in just one minute of runtime.

Miles lets go of his charade of “I don’t care about this random kid” and frees Kiri, but Neytiri does not let go of Spider, instead pulling a knife to his throat. The Sullies panic, trying to bring Neytiri out of her grief-ridden trance.

And Quaritch tries so too.

His breathing is laboured, his ears pinned back, he was panicking. He asked her, in disbelief, “You really gonna kill the kid Mrs.Sully?”, and then told her, “You’re a warrior. Your fight’s with me, not with the boy.”

And Spider heard all of it loud and clear. He saw that horrible man whom he spent months with let go of his last ticket to victory, and then try and reason with a woman who holds him at knifepoint. I’m gonna quote @/soccorism a little on this, but Miles basically asked Neytiri to re-direct her rage from Spider to him.

Miles asked her to hurt him instead.

And after all that, how could Spider possibly have left him dying?

Every horrific thing he did is not cancelled out by his fatherly behaviour, but Spider had no time to ponder on everything and put his feelings to the side on the bottom of the ocean. The woman he knew all his life almost killed him, and the man whom he spent months travelling Pandora with pleaded with her to let him go. It was a decision made in a fit of emption, in a fit of sentimentality for a monster who got so strongly attached to him, he threw his mission out the window to ensure that he gets to live.

This cut of the movie provides so much more tenderness to the tragic relationship of these two characters, and ties the arc of their growing bond into a nice bow. No longer do we have to rely on glimpses of raw emotion and facial expressions. We have definitive proof that Miles and Spider had a bond, and a very strong one, which made both of the characters go against their respective groups for the sake of each other, and in the end?

It’s just the two of them.

lmao they really used the picture of Spider from the visual dictionary to compare to Jack Champion. EVERY character looks ugly af in the visual dictionary, they had them do these awful, lifeless poses and emotionless facial expressions. Take any screenshot from the movie of Spider and you can see he's not ratchet, he's just Jack Champion in a costume. He's cute (I'm calling him cute platonically, not in a "i'm thirsting over a minor" way) just look at those screenshots of him from the movie!

Y'all, Jack Champion didn't get done dirty, he played a character with very different hair and clothes from his usual style because the hair and clothing are necessary parts of the character.

I think it's so ironic how the biggest complaint from Avatar 1 was that "everything was black and white" and there was "no moral grayness" but the minute a character in Avatar 2 made a morally gray decision half the fans dogpile and hate him more than the guy who shot a teenager. I cannot wait for when Avatar 3 comes out and Spider sticks around and plays the bigger role James Cameron's been alluding to, and all the people who've been saying Spider deserves to get killed by Neytiri are gonna eat their words.

I literally never planned on posting on here but then i had to share this thought but HOW TF IS SPIDER SOCORRO THE SAME MAN AS JACK CHAMPION‼️i’m sorry for the spider lovers but he’s literally so ratchet like the whole white boy locks???? and covered in dirt💀 and i’m not even gonna talk about the betrayal. On the other hand, Jack Champion IS SO FINE LIKE HES ACTUALLY A GIFT SENT FROM THE HEAVENS😍🤤 they did him so dirty:( Exhibited A:

A list of characters who remind me of Spider Socorro, but it gets progressively worse

A quick note about your first point, there actually was a deleted scene that explained that! Once they figured out Jake had run away, Ardmore wanted to let sleeping dogs lie and leave him be, but Quaritch reminded her of how he rallied the clans with the toruk and that he will always be a risk as long as he's alive. He managed to convince her, and now I imagine she's gonna be extra pissed when she finds out Jake had no intentions of rallying the clans and Quaritch effectively pulled him out of retirement by getting his son killed.

Also, hard agree with you on 4! So much of the audience was completely confused about why Spider chose to save Quaritch and they interpreted it as a betrayal rather than a conflicted decision in the heat of the moment as it was intended! I think part of that could have been fixed by having one teensy little moment where Quaritch and Spider have some kind of genuine moment together outside of spider just light-heartedly teasing him. Seriously, JC, in one scene spider is so scared and angry quaritch he won't even look at or speak to him, and then in the next scene he's joking around with him! And then in the scene after that he's crying and begging quaritch not to hurt people! No wonder people don't understand Spider's character, cause you crammed many months of a complicated relationship into like 5mins of screentime 😭😭😭

Hi I have two questions - What would you have done differently if you’d written AWOW? And if Custody was set in Pandora what would that look like? 🥰

I really loved AWOW and any changes I'd make would be dependant on whether I know what was coming up in Avatar 3 and beyond.

A couple of things that come to mind are:

1. I don't think it's super clear why Ardmore still has the recoms chasing after Jake after Jake gives up the fight and runs away. If they think he's still leader of the Omatikaya and is just recruiting the Metkayina/drumming up support from other clans I would have made that a little more obvious.

2. It seems like Neytiri giving Spider the scar is meant to parallel Jake giving up leadership earlier in the movie, but I'm not clear on what that parallel is.. presumably its the son for a son thought from Jake later since Spider has never been a leader? I would have either changed the earlier scene or made this more obvious.

3. I think they did a good job with so many characters in the climatic sequences, but there was a lil bit 'one gets captured then freed then another captured and freed, people are split into twos and threes then split into different twos and threes', esp with the kids... I mean I loved it, I'm glad it was a long sequence, but I reckon it needed tightened up, with the Metkayina being a little more visible.

4. This is less for plot reasons and more for selfish reasons but I would have liked one more (short even) Q and Spider scene. Especially during the Seadragon period because they'd got super comfortable with eachother, Spider is now 'betrayed' and upset as Q is decimating these villages and it would have been good for him to have had a bit more animosity towards the Seadragon crew and esp after he sees that they hunt the Tulkun for just the Amrita.

5. I would have had Lo'ak and the other kids name check Spider during the Metkayina sequences - when Jake references him to Kiri when she's upset, it feels like a very barren single reference, like they only just remembered him.

6. I would have only had the one recom die when Neytiri and Jake (and Neteyam) ambush Q to save the kids. I understand that it helped establish Neteyam and it would be weird for Jake to not get a successful kill, but I'd have preferred if after Neytiri's first shot there's just a lot of diving for cover etc like the recoms are actually pretty worth opponents? Would help with the shock impact later of Neytiri's rampage.

7. I probably would have given Payakan a voice... like a telepathy type thing... maybe not using a lot of words and maybe only for Lo'ak but I wanted to get a 'human' vibe from him.

8. I would have de-Americanised Spider and Lo'ak a bit and I would have had Q do the haircut and get clothes on Spider.. It would be good for showing time passing and esp if Spider is slowly reverting back to his original form without Q stopping him, while Q himself is getting more Na'vi.

The Custody question is tricky, because I deliberately went modern AU to avoid Pandora! You could have a scenario where Q appears to have killed Paz but I imagine he'd be court marshalled and sent back to earth or else he'd be 'forgiven' to continue work as normal. Q and the RDA are the main authorities on the human side, so it's less likely we'd see the combo of him stitched him up by someone internally and also remain in his post.

So I guesss... I'd have him captured by the Na'vi? Spider doesn't visit him because of the whole war criminal thing. Jake and co are keeping him alive for intel. Q is still demanding to see Spider that way. He could be recom!Q or regular!Q - and then his team probably rescue him and grab Spider same time?? Or maybe they rescue him and try to find Spider but grab a Sully kid instead and that plays out like the Leo thing but with the comms. I'm not sure the Paz thing would be much of a murder mystery though, so aside from Q attempting to bond with a reluctant Spider, it would prob diverge a lot from the original plot! <3

@raving-raven-writing suggested Mimi-Siku from Jungle to Jungle as an honorable mention

A list of characters who remind me of Spider Socorro, but it gets progressively worse

Your one-shot is God tier Spider/Quaritch father son angst and it's everything we could've asked for ♡ I'd love for this to be expanded more into a story, with the clan wanting quaritch to teach them human warfare

I'm so glad you like it! I'm making plans to expand it in the future, but unfortunately I'm very busy with my personal life rn so I don't have much time to work on it, but it WILL come one day!

Here's a little sneak peak at a comic I'm working on

📢TW for blood!📢

Poor Spider's in trouble! Any guesses what happened to him?

[🇬🇧]:sooo basically yeah. Can't deny that, now I feel exposed hahahaha. For me it was weird, cause the first time I walked out of the theater I really felt like I hadn't connected with any of the new characters. I felt like I was missing getting to know them more, seeing why they were the way they were and why they interact with each other like that.

And that part of the story is almost completely missing in the movies, taking off the first 5 minutes we don't relly have much of a background between the first and the second movie. but. BUT. When I got home and saw this as background...damn.

So when I was able to go back to the theater to watch ATWOW again I could no longer see Spider's interactions in the same way, I mean for me he went from being just another new character that I barely knew, to someone who despites having almost everyone against him still fights for what he believes is right.

And I'm a complete sucker for the potential angst in his stories so-. Yeah, this baby deserves some love.

[🇪🇦]: pueees a ver, básicamente si. No te lo voy a negar, ahora me siento expuesta jajajaja. Para mi fue bastante raro, porque la primera vez que salí de la sala de cine realmente creí que no había conectado con ninguno de los personajes nuevos. Sentía que me faltaba conocerles más, ver porque eran así y porque se relacionaban entre ellos así.

Y para mi esa parte de la historia se ve muy poco en la película, es prácticamente inexistente quitando los primeros 5 minutos, aparte de eso no conseguimos tener mucho trasfondo realmente sobre lo que ha pasado desde los eventos de la primera película a los de The Way of Water. pero. PERO. Cuando llegué a mi casi y vi esto como trasfondo...me quede sin palabras honestamente.

Así que cuando pude volver al cine para verla otra vez ya no podía ver las interacciones de Spider de la misma forma, quiero decir para mi pasó de ser un personaje más al que aún conocía poco, a alguien que a pesar de que tiene a todo el mundo en su contra sigue luchando por lo que cree correcto.

Y además me encanta el potencial angst de sus historias así que-. Si, en definitiva este niño se merece un poco de amor.

Niéguenmelo II Try to change my mind

If you can tell a lot about a person based on their favorite characters what the fuck do mine say about me? Besides the fact I clearly love the neglected, wounded and broken?

Avatar: way of the water

Friend ship bracelets

Aonung: I’m confused why this is a “hide out” for us

Tsireya: cause I said so and according to me we’re all friends

Aonung: WE HAVE A SKY PERSON WITH US A SKY PERSON!

Spider: I CAN HEAR U

Aonung: good

Lo’ak: Y’all need help

Kiri: why are we here again

Tsireya: so we can bond like friends and not be enemies. I’m looking at you brother

Aonung: What did I do!?

Lo’ak: you know what you did

Aonung: You punched me in the face

Spider: Ok so what are we gonna do?

Lo’ak: you were making fun of my sister

neteyam: Ok what did I miss?

Kiri: where were you?

Neteyam: I how was I supposed to know y’all left

Tuk: i told you that we were leaving! Didn’t you hear?

Neteyam:no

Aonung: idk something

Lo’ak: well most of us can swim

Spider: I CAN SWIM FOR YOUR INFORMATION

Kiri: yeahhhhhhhh rightttt

Tsireya: Ok I found some seashells in the reef! So we can make matching friend ship bracelets!

Kiri: yes!

Aonung: you gotta be joking….

Tsireya: do I look like I’m joking? No

Lo’ak: sounds like a good idea!

Spider: eh. It’s sounds like a plan

Neteyam: yup let’s do it

Aonung: finnneeeeee I’ll do it only because ur my sister

Tsireya: yay!

Avatar: the way of the water

Father and son “bonding”

quaritch: wtf is this kid doing

Spider: -throwing shit at the two way mirror and doing other Tarzan shit- AHHHHHH

Quaritch:…….Yeah im gonna go talk to him

Spider: -hiding under a table-

Quaritch: -enters the room- what up Tarzan?

Spider: what?

Quaritch: Well you act like a monkey sooooo

Spider: -confused- wtf are you even saying?

Quaritch: -drags spider from under the table- Ok so I may not be ur dad but I know your dad was an asshole to you kid

Spider: yeah and what about it?

Quaritch: I’m basically gonna try and repair that..but first teach me na’vi

Spider: no

-into that part of the movie where they’re now in pandora or some shit-

Quaritch: now if you run away that mask has a tracking system in it so if you run I’ll find your bitch ass and beat the shit out of you once we get back hear me

Spider: im not even gonna test that shit

Quaritch: good cause you shouldn’t

Spider: you said this was father and son bonding WTF IS THIS SHIT

Quaritch: it still counts

Spider: yeah yeah

Avatar: The way of water

New addition

Ft. You

Ao’nung: so this is the new addition to the group?

Tsireya: yes! Everyone meet y/n

Y/n: hi

Rotxo: hi welcome to the group! I’m Rotxo. Don’t mind Ao’nung he’s always mean

Ao’nung: WHAT DO YOU MEAN ALWAYS MEAN

Lo’ak: It’s true hes mean but he’s joking …most of the time

Kiri: hi I’m kiri. That’s Lo’ak and neteyam. And that’s Tuk

Tuk: hello!

Tsireya: and you already met my brother and Rotxo

Y/n : yup

Spider: what I miss?

Tsireya: and that’s spider boy

Y/n: hi im Y/n

Ao’nung: ok so we all introduced ourselves. Now what

Y/n: i don’t Really know…

Rotxo: we can go to the spirt tree!

Tsireya: yeah we can do that. anyone in?

Kiri: me

Tuk: is Kiri gonna drown again

Kiri: no tuk I’m not gonna drown again

Spider: I wanna go

Y/n: You’re gonna be sitting on a giant lillypad so not you

Spider: man

Ao’nung: I’m going ofc

Lo’ak: I’m in

Neteyam: me too

Tsireya: TO THE SPIRIT TREE

-time skip to the spirt tree-

Ao’nung: we’re here!

Y/n: wow…it’s beautiful here

Tsireya: we know

Rotxo: -dives underwater to where the spirt tree is-

Tsireya: you know how to swim right?

Y/n: kind of just not very fast

Tsireya: just breath and hold my hand

Y/n: -holds Tsireya’s hand- ok

-y’all both dive underwater to the sprit tree with the others and nobody drowns but spider was left sitting on the beach waiting for y’all to come back-

Avatar: the way of water

what if they found out about what spider did after Neteyams death?

“We had Trust in You!” Kiri yelled at Spider while he walked away. “I knew shouldn’t have trusted him…” Neytiri said as she just glared at Spider. He betrayed their trust. Lo’ak looked down as anger started to rise in him. “You…you’re the reason why my brother is dead!” Lo’ak yelled in both sadness and anger. They all had trust in him once. Now it was gone. Years of playing and taking to each other went all down the drain. They all looked at them with sadness and hatred in their eyes. “Now come here son…we got places to be.” Quaritch said as he patted Spiders back and got on the Ikran with him. All they could do was feel guilty for what he has done.

Avatar: The way of the water

At school….CAUSE WHY NOT ft: my oc Rio..and the RDA

Lyle: ok class I’m gonna be ur sub for today cause idk where your teacher went.so do whatever idc

Rio:….WOOOOOO

Ao’nung: can I go home

Lyle: sure

Ao’nung: -packs his stuff and leaves- BYE BITCHES

Rotxo: UR GONNA LEAVE MEEEE!?

Kiri: can I burn the school down?

Neteyam: -looks up from his book- I’m sorry WHAT

Lyle: Hell yeah go for it

Kiri: -goes to burn the school down-

Lo’ak: do they not care?

neteyam: I’m so fucking scared

Rio: you should be

Lo’ak: can I eat in class?

Rio: -drinking a Dr.pepper- this is my last soda….

Lyle: sorry but you can’t…RIO PUT THAT DRINK UP BEFORE I CALL UR FATHER!

Rio: ARENT YOU MY ADOPTED FATHER?

Lyle:….oh right…PUT THAT DRINK UP

Lo’ak: naw man getting mad for no reason

Rio: HOW TF

Lyle: LANGUAGE

Jake: -over the intercom- EVERYONE EVACUATE THE SCHOOL IT IS ON FIRE EVACUATE!

Lyle:…..you still wanna drink ur drink and eat your snack?

Neteyam: I’m about to jump out a Window

Rotxo: -plays take me to the king- TAKE ME TO THE QUEEN!

Neteyam: -sighs- this is gonna be hell…

Rio: -chugs the Dr.pepper and chokes- ah shitttttt

Lo’ak: welp Rio dead

-the next day cause magic!-

Quaritch: NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I HAD A BAD NOTE IN MY 100th YEAR OF TEACHING!

Rio: god damn it

Rotxo: can I go to the bathroom?

Quaritch: no

Rotxo: ok then

Neteyam: I didn’t do anything…

Ao’nung: -sleep in the back of the class- zzz

Lo’ak: -also asleep-

Quaritch: NOW RIO! WHY WERE YOU DRINKING SODA AND CUSSED OUT THE TEACHER? KIRI WHY TF DID YOU TRY AND BURN THE SCHOOL DOWN?!

Kiri: HE SAID WE COULD

Rio: can I leave?

Quaritch: no

Rotxo: can I go to the restroom?

Quaritch: do you have a pass

Rotxo:….yesss

Quaritch: that’s a fucking lie

Rio: -eating an Oreo-

Quaritch: -takes the bag and eats them-

Rio:…..-calls lyle- DAD UNCLE QUARITCH TOOK MY SHIT AND ATE IT!

Lyle: -hangs up and calls quaritch-

Quaritch: hello?

Lyle: -Cussing him out over the phone-

Avatar the way of water

Underwater cave

Kiri: why are we in an underwater cave?

Ao’nung: idk ask Roxto

Roxto: cause I found it and bonding time

Tsireya: it’s so pretty!

Lo’ak: like You

Neteyam: Lo’ak you have L rizz

Lo’ak: stfu

Tuk: -playing with the fish-

Spider: hey guys

Ao’nung : EWWWW SKY PERSON

Roxto: -gags-

Spider: 🥲 yall mean

Lo’ak: it’s ok bro it’s ok

Neteyam: How did you even get here?

Kiri: I brung him. Is that a problem

Ao’nung and Roxto : YES

Kiri: 😒 ok then

Roxto: I hope he runs out of oxygen

Tsireya: -Hits him- no

Roxto: ow!

(I’m starting to lose motivation in these help)

Avatar: the way of water

“You’re supposed to stay close to the base…” he says while grabbing the bandages out the medicine cabinet. Rio looked down at the floor taking in the lecture.

“And what do you do you go wander off!” Mansk yells applying rubbing alcohol on Rio’s arm before wrapping it with the bandages. Rio hissed a little at anger in his voice and at the fact they got rubbing alcohol put on their arm.

“Why did you even wander off in the first place!?” Mansk asked them. Rio couldn’t come up with a good enough for them.

“Answer me.” Mansk said.

“…I…don’t…know..” Rio said looking down at the ground while Mansk stood up. Mansk rubbed his temple and looked back at the child sitting in front of him.

“What do you mean you don’t know.” He asked them. Rio didn’t say anything. They sat there and thought about why they didn’t know. They didn’t wanna say it was because Spider thought it would be a good idea and explore a little bit away from the RDA base. Mansk kneeled down to Rio’s level. He put a hand on Rio’s shoulder and sighed.

“Don’t do that again kid…” he said before patting Rio’s head. Rio just gave him The ‘you’re not my dad but ok’ look.

“Yes sir..” They said fiddling with the handmade bracelet on their wrist. Mansk helped off the table before putting the bandages and rubbing alcohol back in the medicine cabinet. After the little lecture from Mansk they went to Spider who was pacing around the room. When he heard the door opening he looked to see who it was.

“Thank eywa You’re ok!” Spider said as he sighed in relief to them not being dead or in a coma. Rio walked over to him and punched him in the shoulder. Spider rubbed his shoulder a little from the impact of the punch.

“Be lucky that it isn’t the both of us in trouble.” Rio said siting on the table provided in the room.

“Oh please. I scolded by Quaritch but he didn’t give me an ass woppen tho.” Spider said sitting next to them.

“Yeah same. I also didn’t get an ass woppen.” Rio said messing with spiders hair a little bit.

“You remind me of someone…”

“Who?”

“Neteyam…”

;^; ❤️

tsireya fainted from tenderness

🕸🕷🌿🌴🤿💙💚

𝐍𝐀𝐕𝐈𝐆𝐀𝐓𝐎𝐑

Neytiri with her little boyssss

(No angst for real spider is her son here)

me when the character trope where they want to belong to a place they know they can't, either because the people apart of the place do not accept them and/or because they are genuinely unable to bring themselves to change to fit in

featuring my greatest (and possibly only) examples