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I know this is reeeeealllly lame but I just wanted to say *deep breath*

TEN FOLLOWERS TEN FOLLOWERS TEN FOLLOWERS

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I know i’m suuuper weird but-

lightening and the thunder ⚡️

rewatched ragnarok yet again,,, such a good flick like damn, thank u so much taika

(also i did a frame redraw because thorbruce. coming soon.)

A little ironic meta. I hated this scene in TR too.

same bullshit energy

“You do not belong.”

“The use of other as a verb is rooted in sociology: to other a certain individual is to treat that individual as fundamentally different from another class of individuals, often by emphasizing their apartness in traits that differ from one’s own.” 

~Reasons as to why Loki is relatable.

Heimdall is a SAINT.

Imagine being Heimdall and having a spirit so generous that you could sincerely say “welcome home” to the individual who once turned you into an icicle and is now showing up 15 minutes late without Starbucks to the apocalypse that he sort of started.

The thing about Loki is he’s done apologizing for what he is, even when he does things that warrant an apology. He’s aware that his recent actions were immoral, and I believe he feels varying level of remorse for most of them, but he’s not about to seek forgiveness. He will never again subject himself to another’s judgment.

It’s a delicate balance to maintain whilst crafting a redemption arc. I go for an approach somewhat inspired by mythology. In my imagination, Loki intends to fix the messes he had a part in creating (and that continue to threaten or hinder him). By fixing those messes, he redeems himself.

It’s not an “I am sorry. How can I make this better?” approach. It’s an “I’m going to unfuck this up my way because I’m the one who knows this fuck up best,” approach.

There’s something that’s been bugging me about the first Thor film for a while, which is the fact Thor’s great “revelation” is this nebulous thing that is implied to have occurred but isn’t really actually presented to the audience? Like, yes, it would be a great shock to be dropkicked off your home planet and lose your fancy magic powers, but I’m not sure where and how that leads to “I was wrong to re-ignite war against our hereditary enemies, obviously they are people too, and I must stop Loki because Genocide Is WrongTM”. 

Especially since the fate of the Jotnar is never picked up again? It’s just kind of assumed that- well, that no one on Asgard gives a shit if they did all die from delayed effects of the planet getting a hole punched into it. Despite Thor apparently  believing that preventing such warranted smashing the Bifrost?

Granted, Asgard seems to rely on the Bifrost to the exclusion of possessing spaceworthy craft, so they couldn’t render aid if they wanted to? 

But it’s weird that the last act of Thor hinges on Thor having had some great realization and it just-isn’t there?

Why did you change your mind, Thor? 

Was Darcy watching Schindler’s List for one of her classes or something? Considering what is revealed about the war with the Svartalfar, does Asgard even have a concept of genocide, or is it simply considered a “dishonorable” tactic that is nevertheless lauded in practice because “yay, we won’t have to worry about that enemy anymore”.

What made you change your mind, Thor?

Why did you break the bridge when you had gleefully murdered someone for an insult 3 days before?

Why did you change your mind?

What made you change your mind?

…and why didn’t it seem to stick?

This deleted scene is the saddest thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe because it confirms what Loki was saying all along.

In Loki’s wildest fantasies, he’s not sitting on the throne with Odin’s spear. 

He’s wielding Mjolnir and being cheered and accepted by Asgard like Thor, as his equal.

And that fucking hurts. 

I think there was a shift in Marvel’s attitude towards Tom between TDW and TR, and I wonder what caused it.

Did Tom do something to Kevin Feige? Did he sing under the shower and use all the hot water in a lodge they shared? Did he accidentally spill tea on his favorite suit? Did he have one drink too many and say “you’re going bald, man”? Did he run over his cat? Or did he piss off someone else? The possibilities are endless.

I think the reason I feel particularly betrayed and embittered by Marvel is because when the MCU first began, there was just so much potential. 

And I’m not just speaking from a Loki fan’s POV (though it’s mostly from that side), but the way Marvel movies handled every aspect of storytelling, all of their characters were finely written and fleshed out, even the seemingly minor side characters (Agent Coulson, anyone?). The plot was interesting and not too convoluted (*side eyes IW and Endgame*), they made room for both serious drama and witty, intelligent humor (which then died completely with Ragnarok). Everyone had someone they could root for, which brings me around to being a Loki fan. 

When Loki was introduced, and in the following years and movies after, he became an idol for anyone who has been shit on repeatedly by society just for being who they are, and who then refused to take it anymore and began to punch back. 

I mean there’s a reason why the vast majority of Loki fans belong to the LGBTQA+ community, as well as being neurodivergent in some way. And the reason that Loki’s story touched us particularly instead of any other character, was because: 

A. We got to see his fall from grace, and we recognized it as something many of us have gone through in the past. We recognize the little pushes and steps that eventually leads someone down a self-destructive and dark path. And the only reason many of us aren’t still down that path is because we have resources and support systems that, unfortunately, Loki didn’t have access too. But that isolation in and of itself was also extremely relatable, because it’s something we all experienced before we found people who helped us back into the light.  

B. Loki’s struggles and feelings of betrayal and ostricization actually brought out the darker aspects of what that can do to a person. We live in this fucked up society that expects people who are abused and bullied and marginalized to remain Good and Kind and Pure, when in reality (and I am speaking from experience) when you are constantly being victimized and targeted, often for reasons you don’t entirely understand, that causes you to lash out. It causes you to become angry, even violent (even if you’re only daydreaming about causing harm to people). People will back you into a corner and then act surprised when you bite back at them. And then once you do all of that, once you start fighting back, society suddenly decides that you are a Villain/Criminal, and that you deserve the punishment you give. But they don’t even think about punishing the people who made you that way. 

So yeah. The fact that we were actually getting to explore what causes so many villains to become villains, and why so many marginalized people identify with villains, was exciting. It was exciting for me, at least, who saw the same kind of anger I harbored towards the world in Loki. 

We were finally going to get our story told but then…. 

Then…. 

Then Infinity War happened. And Gagnarok. And Endgame…. 

And we found ourselves, once again, pushed into the shadows. 

All of the heroes that comply to what society dictates is a hero get their moment in the sun, and we are once again told that all we’ll ever be are just villains and criminals, unworthy (I fucking hate that word) of redemption or love or a chance to prove ourselves. 

Marvel was supposed to be different. Marvel was supposed to be the thing that gave every single person a chance in the spotlight. But Marvel just… let us down. 

….So fuck you, Marvel. 

Some imagined slights with my morning coffee (by an unabashed, unapologetic Loki apologist )

In the original script (and in the novelization) for Ragnarok, Loki doesn’t betray Thor. They leave Sakaar and return to Asgard together. This got changed so that Thor could have his triumphant moment of glory over Loki, and deliver his oh-so-enlightening “life is about change” speech.

Loki did the bad things he did in the first movie because he had a mental and emotional breakdown. His life as he knew it came crashing down. Kenneth Branagh described it as the rod that held his mind together snapping. Look at Loki in this movie. You can practically hear and see when that snap happens. He was in a world of hurt. He wasn’t well.

In Avengers Loki did the bad things he did because he literally fell into the hands of a psycho who then tortured and trained him and turned him into his weapon. Why are people still not paying attention to the details of this movie? The hints? The clues? Again, Loki was not himself. It was not his plan to attack earth.

When Thor leaves Loki convulsing on the floor, he knew from experience that that stupid disc renders you completely paralyzed and incapacitated. And he doesn’t.give.a.shit. In that moment he is 110% done with Loki. He has no way of knowing if Loki will get out of it, and he doesn’t care. If Loki gets free, fine. If he doesn’t, that’s fine too. Thor also knew that the guards were looking for Loki as well. Didn’t care.

When Thor and Loki were kids, Loki was the bright, sensitive curious one, he wasn’t a bully, or constantly lurking in the shadows waiting for any opportunity to stab Thor. He loved and looked up to Thor, wanted to be just like him, equal to him, to be seen as an equal in his brother’s and father’s eyes. He lived in Thor’s shadow. Shadows are dark, cold, lonely places. 

Thor was big, brash and outspoken, he always had friends, he was constantly surrounded by a support system of love and encouragement. Loki was on the flipside of that. Loki was a trickster and loved mischief, which was playful and innocent and it helped him get attention. When they fought, they fought like you’d expect brothers to fight. Whatever form it was that Loki retaliated in, I’m sure Thor was able to give as good as he got.

When Loki was imprisoned for what was supposed to be forever, Thor didn’t visit him for over a year. He abandoned Loki. Loki literally became just another stolen relic locked up until someone had use of him.

Loki only said “I’ll pay her a visit myself” to goad Thor into fighting him. He had tears running down his cheeks as he said it. 

Loki loved his family more than anything, and he proved it in action and in words.

Loki died to protect Thor and Jane.

And I don’t care what Ragnarok tries to convince the audience about Loki, I’m not buying any of it, I don’t accept it as truth, canon, or anything else.

Loki was a magnificent, beautiful beast, and Marvel could’ve let him live out the rest of the movies like that, but they sold him out. They put him on the chopping block. They took him to slaughter. They had him put down. 

And if they do, by some miracle, try to make up for it, it’s going to take alot. It’s going to have to be something pretty damn big and pretty damn good. And I don’t think they have it in them. My faith in Marvel is shot. Gone.

One of the lines in “Thor: The Dark World” that gets overlooked, I think (possibly because Marvel cut it from the final edit) was when Thor is talking to Frigga about Loki, and she says to him that he and Odin always shone so brightly, it was hard for Loki to find any sun for himself, or something to that effect.

Anyway, this is such a massively important line, because it basically tells us EVERYTHING about Loki’s childhood, and how he felt.  And here again is yet another example of how absolutely WRONG Taika Waitit’s view of these characters was, given what I heard about him wanting to include a flashback in Ragnarok showing Thor as a sensitive and bullied child, and Loki as dark and mean.  That would have been in DIRECT conflict with everything we know about these characters, just like everything else in Ragnarok is.

From what Frigga says to Thor, it’s plain as day that Loki as a child was always struggling just to catch up to Thor, to try and be equal to him, not just in Odin’s and Frigga’s eyes, but in the eyes of probably the entire kingdom.  It tells us that Thor, as a boy, was as popular and well liked, as charming and charismatic and as easy to make friends as he is as an adult, and that Loki was very much the introvert, quiet, awkward and isolated.  And from Loki’s desperation to win Odin’s approval in the first Thor film, I think it becomes apparent that that desperation grew directly from his feeling inadequate and lesser to the standard of both his father and his big brother growing up.  And it’s just so unbelievably sad, to envision that.  To envision Loki constantly struggling, trying to match Thor, trying to make himself seem as good as Thor for Odin, trying to make himself seem like a “true and worthy son”, as he says in the first film.  How anyone could miss this about his character is beyond me, unless they’re being willfully obtuse.  

And we see from this one line, that Loki’s entire motivation is based on a feeling of lack on his own part.  He feels like he’s less.  He feels like he isn’t as good as Thor, and that Odin must not love him because he’s not as good as Thor, and until he discovers he’s a Jotun, he doesn’t know why, and he can’t figure it out, and he keeps trying and trying to do the right thing to somehow make him, in his father’s eyes, Thor’s equal.  Think of the kind of psychological effect that would have on a person, especially a young man growing up in the kind of culture Loki did.  Think of the burden of constantly feeling like there’s something WRONG with you, because you’re constantly measuring yourself against the perfection of an older sibling who everyone loves, while everyone treats you like you’re strange, and even are at times outwardly hostile and cruel to you.  Think of the weight of trying to figure out how to change yourself so that others will treat you like they treat your perfect older sibling, but not being able to, because you don’t really know what it is about you that makes everyone dislike or hate you in the first place.  And then think of what it must have been like, to discover you’re from a race of beings who the people you’ve grown up around consider to be monsters, who are those people’s mortal enemies, and coming to the swift and awful realization that that must have been it all along.  That THAT’S what was wrong with you.  That that’s why you’ve always been an outcast.

I just think that one moment from The Dark World was so important for understanding Loki’s character.

And yet, once again, Marvel proves it’s own stupidity by cutting it out.  Just like they cut out so many scenes from the first Thor film which showed Loki in a more sympathetic light.  Gee, it’s almost like they didn’t want people feeling for him.  Too bad they ended up doing so anyway.

I Just Need to Get Something Off My Chest

So, like, I already know this is a SUPER unpopular opinion on this site, but I have to say it.

Thor Ragnarok SUCKED and I really don’t understand other Loki fans who think that Taika Waititi’s version of the character is the best one that exists. Like, did everyone else just sort of… miss the fact that Loki was the butt of pretty much every joke in the movie? Did we all just look the other way when Loki, someone who’s been studying sorcery for literally HUNDREDS of years, can get outplayed by Doctor fucking Strange, who’s been a sorcerer for all of two years at the most? That Waititi turned Loki’s sacrifice in Thor the Dark World into a joke because oh, we’re different! There’s no real emotion here, ya’ll! Just jokes! But the joke that pissed me off the most in this movie, as a dedicated Loki fan since 2011, was making Loki make a joke about his own. Fucking. Suicide attempt. Remember? When he threw himself into the wormhole at the end of the first movie that also led him to Thanos? Yeah, Waititi makes him joke about that. It’s a throwaway line somewhere on Sakaar and it’s a little difficult to spot, but it’s fucking there. If I had access to this God awful movie without paying hard earned money for it again, I’d give you the exact second it appears on screen. There are other examples of the ruining of Loki’s character throughout this movie, but these were the most egregious ones I could think of.

Long story short, Taika Waititi made one of the worst mockeries of a character I loved so much that I’ve ever had the great misfortune to pay money to see. Please, Marvel, if there’s going to be another Thor movie, keep this dipshit as far away from it as possible.

foundlingmother replied to your post: sorry, wdym by their breakup in Ragnarok?

Yes, more power to them. I just wish they wouldn’t imply we’re crazy and stupid (and flat out say we’re wrong) for not seeing it as positive… Like, I’m sorry I don’t see Thor leaving Loki with a device meant to keep slaves in line active on him as this sweet moment of brotherly acceptance. (Sorry, lots of posts getting on my nerves lately. Couldn’t help but vent.)

OK guess i lied about not going into any more detail in a public post. 

See, a lot of the complaints I have seen about it, and a lot of the derisive responses to those complaints, have been about whether the device itself was cruel. But to me, that’s… missing the point a bit, at least with the way I see it, because I am completely not complaining about the physical pain Thor inflicted on Loki. They can bash the shit out of each other, that’s fine; I’m sure if you tallied up who had hurt who when, they’d both have a long list. I do think it was… reckless, to say the least… for Thor to leave him there helpless without any certainty of who would find him, but I would be able to overlook that as a lapse in judgment under other circumstances.

What bothers me is why. Telling someone who has known trauma around identity and belonging “who you are is as a person is inadequate and I will disown you unless you change to suit my standards” is…

I mean, I know some folks reading this are not gonna hear what I’m saying but are going to hear what they think I’m saying. So let me clarify. I am not saying how horrible Thor is for saying it. I don’t care whether it’s right or wrong, an acceptable or unacceptable action. That is entirely irrelevant. It could be 100% justified… but it would not have achieved the end that the movie claims. What I’m saying is that regardless of whether Loki got out and followed him back to Asgard, and regardless of whether they hugged and made nice with each other, that conversation did the opposite of what needed to happen to heal their relationship, and it may have effectively destroyed any chance of future healing between them.

The fracture in their relationship was around trust—not just Thor’s trust in Loki but also Loki’s trust in Thor. That was something that TDW got very right, for all its other flaws, because it showed that Loki started to come back from the edge when Thor chose to extend trust to him, treated him like his brother, took him seriously, and generally allowed Loki to believe that their relationship was not permanently stained. What Loki needed was to be able to trust in Thor’s love for him: that it wasn’t just circumstantial. That he, as a person, mattered to Thor, and that Thor would be able to re-accept him after his transgressions and would continue to value him. And Thor showing him so through his actions was working to fix their relationship and give them the space to talk things through with some kind of honesty and work their shit out. It was working, to the extent that Loki fully intended to die to save Thor. (The fact that Loki took advantage of circumstances when he woke up alive doesn’t change that and is, to my thinking, wholly in line with his character and his need to not let his feelings be used against him. Just died for your brother in a blatant display of love and loyalty? whoop better go and be a dick to fuck that right up!).

But the above scene from Ragnarok, Thor’s ultimatum, would utterly shatter Loki’s trust in all of those things. And, importantly, it would do absolutely nothing to heal Thor’s trust in his brother, either, because… I mean, it was compliance under threat of abandonment. That really doesn’t prove anything about someone’s trustworthiness or whether they have “changed.” All it proves is that you know where their buttons are located.

And that is exactly where the movie leaves it, with trust thoroughly shattered on both sides. Which is the end of any relationship if serious action isn’t taken to repair that trust. But no such action is shown or even suggested. Loki coming to save the day wouldn’t do it; he’d rushed to Thor’s rescue as recently as the previous movie, so that’s hardly new. Them fighting side by side wouldn’t do it; they’d done that thousands of times before. Hugs likewise. And if the issues were deep and serious enough to cause the breaking of a centuries-long brotherly bond, how could they possibly be resolved off-screen, without so much as a hint of how it happened? They couldn’t. It just doesn’t work, narratively speaking.  

So to me, that movie ends with their relationship completely broken. They are inhabiting the same space and they are ostensibly on peaceful terms, but any basis for trust has been destroyed. By any meaningful definition, their relationship is deader than a doornail.

And to me it is fitting, under those circumstances, that Loki would go and get himself killed kinda-sorta on purpose at the first opportunity as well. I mean, last time he was in a similar situation of having been rejected by those he cared about, he threw himself into an abyss. And this time he even got to continue to try to prove himself to Thor while doing it, just like one might feel compelled to do after such an ultimatum.

So yeah that’s why I call it a breakup. Because I don’t see any other way I can interpret it.

I don’t want to piss off other fans, but I’ve been mulling over this for a while.  The whole “Thor loves Loki and Loki loves Thor” “there is not Thor without Loki & no Loki without Thor” thing – I can’t see it.  From Loki, yes, but not from Thor.

TDW was what really killed this supposed relationship for me.  After Loki is put in his cell – to be locked away for the rest of his life, solitary confinement 24/7 – Thor doesn’t mention Loki at all. We’re not shown someone mentioning him, and Thor reacting with some emotion (hurt, anger, grief, nostalgia, regret, ANYTHING).  Loki is out of sight and out of mind, and it’s easy for Thor to get over him. As I said just before, it would make sense if Thor was deliberately shutting down his emotions with regard to Loki, but we’re not shown that, either.  There’s nothing.

The one exception is the deleted scene of a conversation between Frigga & Thor, after Frigga has been secretly visiting Loki.  And that scene horrifies me even more than Thor’s silence does.

In the MCU, Thor explains that magic = science.  He asks his mother if she regrets educating her son.  Her asks why the “indulgences” of books and visits.  Thor believes that Loki should be locked away and left to rot, for the rest of his entire life, and that even his mother shouldn’t bother about him. There is zero compassion, only confusion.  He genuinely doesn’t understand why Frigga is having anything to do with her son anymore. This shows exactly how Thor is feeling about Loki – he doesn’t care.  You would think they were speaking about a random prisoner whom Thor barely knows.

There’s no relationship there.  There’s no love.  Thor isn’t lost without Loki.  He barely spares him a thought.

It’s not just TDW, though.  I was shocked at how the first Thor movie ended.  The focus is on Jane trying to get back to Thor, not Loki’s suicide.  Like in TDW, Thor spends more energy pining over his girlfriend of three days than his brother of a thousand years.  Yes, he’s anguished and grieving and horrified when Loki lets go.  But he gets past that very quickly.  Hell, Sif shows more emotion over Loki after the initial shock of his fall.

I know a lot of Loki fans don’t like Thor: Ragnarok, but unfortunately, it is canon.  And I don’t think that the way Thor treats Loki is out of character for him at all – it’s got worse, sure, but it’s not much different.  Why should the man who refused to acknowledge Loki’s grief for their mother, care about Loki’s feelings after their father’s death?  Thor has already questioned if Loki has literally any good qualities anymore, and threatens to kill him if he “betrays” him again, so why not the electrocution scene?

You could say – oh, “you don’t understand what you love until you lose it”, but Thor has “lost” Loki 2x before his real death, and didn’t come away from that with any more appreciation for his brother.  And the scenes where he grieves over Loki’s body are moving, but who wouldn’t react that way if a family member was killed in front of them – whether they were close to them or not??  Hell, I suspect I’d react that way if my father was killed like that, and I certainly do not love him.

Grief over a person – even the amount that Thor shows – does not necessarily mean a genuine, heartfelt love for them.  There are all sorts of reasons we mourn a person.  Often, it’s for ourselves rather than for them.

I’m sure that at one point Thor loved Loki.  But he’s mourning for the past, not for Loki himself.  As he says before letting him out his cell, the Loki he once knew is gone.  But that’s always the case – we change, we grow, we become better, we become worse.  I’m not saying Thor has to love Loki.  Sometimes, because people change, we can’t love them any more.  But Thor got over Loki pretty easily – his deaths, his imprisonment, even his relief at finding he was alive after all.  Which suggests to me that his love for Loki wasn’t all that strong in the first place.

Maybe the script-writers didn’t intend it to be that way.  Maybe the intention was to show that close, brotherly relationship that TH goes on about in interviews.  But if so, they failed at making it happen, and this is what we were given instead.

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