You Guys Are JUST Like Alicent!

You guys are JUST like Alicent!

Why do people think Daenerys is part of “the song of ice and fire”………..literally it’s only Jon. The whole reason why the whole war started was because Rhaegar stole (who really knows) Lyanna to make a child - JON SNOW - for the prophecy. Rhaegar didn’t care about anything else, not his own wife, his siblings, NOTHING, except the prophecy and to get married to legitimize his son.

Daenerys was NEVER ever in the equation for the prophecy. Jon, and Jon alone, is a song of ice and fire. Why are you guys forcing us to think Daenerys was important to that prophecy lmao

guys, help a jonsa out

Jonsas want to know why Jonsa is so hated.

Jonsas answer.

Jonsas may want to consider the following if they're truly looking for genuine answers:

They claim anti Sansa bias from Jonsa antis but hammer home their Dany hate and harp on Dany as a "slaver" and Dany as a "white savior", going so far as to call Dany fans "slaver apologists" (who are the ones criticizing Dany for burning 163 slavers and saying she's disrespecting slavers' "customs"?) -- maybe consider your own Dany hate first, Jonsas:

Do Jonsas ever consider GRRM refuting Dany as a white savior or saying how Dany wants equality?

They come up with takes like the nonsensical Pol!Jon which turns Jon into a garbage human abuser scumbag and Dany into a brain dead sex bot tyrant whose favourite food is baby blood. Sansa though? Pure as she is pretty.

Arya gets to either be Sansa's bloodthirsty enemy or in service to Sansa (as Sansa's personal bodyguard, assassin, executioner, or new direwolf warned into Nymeria). It's either/or, guys.

Meanwhile, Rickon gets to be dead while Bran is just... over there... away from the North (but in full support of Queen Sansa of the independent Northern kingdoms of course, hands off but always ready to help)

Jonsas say they want good things for Sansa but there's no consideration for the other side of their ship, Jon, or what he wants (rather, they claim his own words and feelings on the matter mean nothing when it comes to what he wants). Jon wants a woman who is a distinctly non-traditionally feminine woman (and I imagine much less one who takes after the woman who was the main source of misery for Jon when he was growing up at Winterfell) -- but that can't at all be a reason why the fandom finds Jonsa to be implausible no, it just comes down to Sansa hate.

I wonder if Jonsas have ever considered that not all who think Jonsa is implausible are Dany fans/Jonerys/or Jonarya shippers, or believe in a happy ending for these characters or any characters or these couples or any couples and just think Jonsa is a desperate reaching crackship

Why is Jonsa essential to Sansa having a happy outcome? And why is it plausible Sansa (especially only Sansa or only the approved Starks) get a happy-ending Disney-esque storyline?

Jonsas, we don't need assumptions. Your posts speak for themselves. And speaking of...

Only to be combatted by the terrible, disapproving, biased fandom who obviously are only doing so because they hate Sansa... :(

Gee, I wonder why Jonsa isn't accepted by the fandom :)

POL JON RIDDLES

HELP ME OUT GUYS

Riddle #1: IT'S GREED AND TYRANNY WHEN DANY WANTS TO TAKE BACK HER FAMILY'S DYNASTY but it's righteous and right and empowering when the Starks (Sansa) want to take back the North. THE TARGARYENS ARE THE REAL COLONIZERS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Riddle #2: Dany's love is cheap compared to her greed for the Iron Throne!!!11

...So why does Jon need to sexually use, abuse, manipulate, and fake his love for the power crazed Dany ala Pol!Jon to steal her armies and dragons if her worthless love is so cheap then...? It's not like sex is going to help out Jon's lacking martial forces much or add sense to the non-sensical Pol!Jon. Or what, does that not fulfill the Jonsa teen scene dreams of sweet sweet betrayal for thy true love Sansa?

Riddle #3:

"It's preposterous to think Jon, who has always tried to do the right thing, would betray(or even kill) his aunt just for shits and giggles."

So what is Jon, Jonsas? An uber asshole who is Sansa's personal garbage disposal? And will callously abuse, use, and manipulate a rape victim? Or does he have a conscience? Because yeah, I think the the two are mutually exclusive here. How does a decent person with a conscience (who Jon is supposed to be) do this to... anyone? Why would Jon do this to Dany? What has Dany done to warrant this? Conquer? Robb Stark, Jon's brother and best friend. Stannis Baratheon, the claimant Jon supported in ADWD. The Young Dragon, Jon's idol. How dare Dany want to take back her family's dynasty! Just like the Starks!! All the Northern houses love the Starks and want them back! (Except the ones who don't) The Skagosi too!! (Except they keep rebelling when the Starks try to force them to submit...) But seriously, since when does Jon hate Targaryen conquests? Or... Targaryens? But I digress, let's look at Pol!Jon. In contrast, Pol!Jon hates the young conquerer Dany! How dare Dany conquest!! Pol!Jon doesn't idolize the Dorne-invading dragon-riding Young Dragon!! Eww!!! But here's the thing: nothing about Pol!Jon makes Jon the hero as this particular Jonsa likes to argue. Everything makes him the asshole -- from every angle. Jon can't be a hero performing 100% villainous, unnecessary, and stupid stupid actions all so he can dispose of one girl (Dany) so he can go ahead and marry another girl (Sansa) who looked down on him in childhood for wholly classist reasons. (No no, no misogyny here!) Everything Jon does in this scenario justifies Dany (or Dany's supporters) going to war against him -- and the North -- because it's treason. How can Jon realistically get away with that. How would GRRM let Jon realistically get away with that. For Jonsa?

It doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are dying for Dany to be, it won't make Pol!Jon any less of an asshole in his characterization or actions toward Dany.

And if Pol!Jon hates Dany so much that he's willing to abuse, use, and callously exploit a rape victim when her love for him is apparently so "cheap" (because apparently, these are your versions of them), it seems like he is doing extreme stuff for shits and giggles -- and to make the situation far far worse (handing Dany a reason to go to war against the North, intentions to start another civil war despite multiple wars going on and the North's lacking resources, making an enemy of a powerful queen and during a time of probable desperation...).

I'd call that psychotic. (On another note, I'm a Jon stan but... uh, there are times in ASOIAF when Jon does not do quite the right thing...)

I know Aegony has been theorized as endgame ship for a reason but imo those are the same people who have grossly mischaracterized something about Dany and Jon.

The irony.

They are the same ones who have denied Dark Dany and insist how her greed for the IT was actually just her doing her duty as the last Targ and that Sansa was the power hungry one actually.

Hilariously, this happened in the same show Jonsa never became close to canon (not matter what Jonsa conspiracy theories say), the same show in which Sansa kept risking the life of her "beloved" brother Jon and betrayed him multiple times (funny, Dany never did that...), and the same show of which GRRM has repeatedly said his ending would be different. Oops :) And Jonsas wonder why the fandom has a problem with them.

jon snow + calling daenerys “dany”

um.

Yes. Thank-you Sansa for:

1) Lying to Jon for unknown reasons all season long.

2) Pissing off every house on-screen on that Northern tour.

3) Shitting on one (of two) people who got the Starks some of the only help for their army during that god-forsaken Northern tour which was 62 more people than you got, Sansa.

4) Trying to first a) strong-arm and guilt-trip a recently killed, newly resurrected, and freshly traumatized Jon into risking his life in a battle for a castle he was repeatedly reminded by Sansa's mother and society at large he had no place in; b) trying to make him force the wildlings he saved into forming an army for that battle; c) and then, when Jon told Sansa no, invoking saving Rickon to push Jon into saying yes; and finally, d) telling Jon on the night before that battle, to give up Rickon for dead* (when Rickon was the only reason why Jon is fighting at all).

Jon (a bastard) and Sansa (a daughter/married to a Lannister and then to a Bolton) just standing by and letting Ned Stark's trueborn son and heir getting murdered by Ramsay Bolton. That'll look good. Really politically savvy there, Sansa.

5) Withholding an offer of an entire f*cking army from Jon and his forces who'd be risking their lives on the battle field against far greater forces than their own. They develop a strategy because their army is so small and believe this is their best viable move against their enemy. Sansa huffs and puffs angrily in the background over not being sent an engraved invitation for her exalted opinion ("Don't do what he wants you to do!!") despite never not needing said invitation before during previous war councils (6x05) or the Northern tour (6x07) where she led talks. OBVIOUS SEXISM HAPPENING HERE OBVIOUSLY. Jon asks Sansa, "When will we have more men?!" Sansa says nothing: not of the offer Littlefinger made of the Vale army, not that she had written to accept said offer, nada.

Thousands of wildlings and likely a big chunk of Mormonts die. Rickon lays smashed and dead on the ground. A bloodied and battered Jon is suffocating under a crush of bodies. A spotless and fresh Sansa and LF ride in together atop clean white horses as the Knights of the Vale crush the Bolton host.... you know, after loads of damage has already been done.

THANKS SANSA.

Personally, I think Jon should have thanked Sansa by revealing her season 6 activities that occurred behind his back to his new Northern vassals when he was crowned king, the contents of their pre-battle conversation (ie. Sansa urging Jon to let Rickon die) and then let the Northern lords yell it out before deciding the loudest voice chooses her.... uh, "reward".

Oh so this is the interview that made Robert's stans crazy? Sorry folks, but grrm is right.

Robert was just a warmonger who was bitter about losing a "girlfriend". He only cared about himself and his ego.

Ah, i love how grrm is not blaming Rhaegar and Lyanna for the war lol