The Problem With Trying To Irrevocably Tie What We Create To Who We Are Is That It Then Completely Voids

The problem with trying to irrevocably tie what we create to who we are is that it then completely voids the freedom of being able to create things.

Fiction is not meant to be our reality. Its meant for all the things we can't do. For the things we shouldn't. For the things we want to do but will never get the chance to. Fiction is for being more than our reality.

What is the point in fiction if you want it to be intrinsically bound to who we are? To what we believe in? To what we dictate we must obey?

How much of our own history would we lose if your demand that we must only create what is sound and 'right' comes to fruit? What lessons will we fail to learn in the future because the fiction that taught them to us in the past no longer exists?

Those who huddle in a barren shelter will starve but those who venture forth might find a bounty.

Can you imagine trying to explain to a medieval peasant that someone wants to beat you to death with a rock because you believe people can separate songs/literature/art from real life actions?

Actually, you're right!

Although I disagree with 'extremely public' (because literally any online website is inherently 'extremely public') I firmly believe in the curation of content via tags and filters.

Personally, I would love it if tags, filters and content markers were obligatory. They are mutually beneficial in that they can show and hide content depending on the preference of the individual using those tags, filters and markers.

Hoping you make someone feel guilty is a strange one, though. Especially since without all the vitriol and pearl clutching, you actually have a pretty good point, and one that is actually aligned with a value a lot of proshippers themselves have.

I am fully aware that something such as incest is not what everyone enjoys. I am fully aware that there are a lot of people who would prefer not to be exposed to content regarding incest.

As such, I heavily advocate for the common-spread use of, and personally use, tags, filters and content markers.

Making sure you can't see something that is unpleasant, upsetting or triggering is as important to me as being able to find content I enjoy and help others who enjoy it find it too.

However, what I do find interesting, and perhaps something for everyone to think about, is that you are clearly placing blame and accountability solely on individuals and small creators, and I bet mainstream media wasn't even in your consideration when you made this post.

For example; Game of Thrones.

No warnings. No filters. No content markers. Incest, rape, pedophilia and murder on a free-for-all for anyone to access.

How many streaming platforms offer you the opportunity to filter out any content involving such topics? Without switching to the 'children's' platform?

How many TV shows and movies give you a little pre-episode warning screen telling you that X topic will be depicted in the episode?

How many official platforms offer the chance to filter or avoid certain themes and topics?

How many websites offer the chance to filter content explicitly by topic and not just an en-masse 'mature content' flag?

Certainly, far less than websites geared toward fan and individual based content. Tumblr offers me more filters than Twitter. AO3 offers more filters than Wattpad.

Individuals and small creators take more consideration in regards to tagging and filtering than the mainstream media industry ever has. While its fairly important to remind individuals and small creators of the importance of tags and filters, surely, its a more pressing issue to remind the mainstream media industry?

If you have the time to sit around making guilt-trip posts on Tumblr, you have the time to send an email to a major movie studio or create a petition or email Netflix.

I feel like people forget incest victims exist in real life and you may not want to make your incest fan content extremely public with zero filter. A lot of people treat incest as a joke but it's actually so fucked up because family is who you're told to trust so the level of betrayal and disgust is unimaginable. I hope I made someone feel guilty with this post 👍

Oh no. People who are healing and coping are happy with the fact that they're healing and coping. What a terrible thing. They must all immediately keel over in shame and die.

(By the way the legal definition of child pornography pertains only to pornography depicting and involving real life children.)

it would be a little easier if the people who were "coping with childhood sexual abuse" by making content that is perfectly described as "child pornography" seemed a little less gleeful about it. But what do I know.

in light of that ask you got, i just wanna say- as a CSEM victim, there is nothing more ridiculously fucking disrespectful than people who call drawings of fictional characters "drawn CP". i hope everyone who does this, and especially people who send you threats over telling them that's wrong, is ashamed of themselves. thanks for doing what you do.

The unfortunate reality is that I can genuinely understand the perspective a lot of antis have. We grow up being told things are irrevocably bad with absolutely no nuance, and it sets us up for failure in circumstances like these unless we choose to do our own research and investigations and are willing to educate ourselves out of the blanket statements and ignorance we were raised in.

Most antis have the perspective that victims who don't decry fiction are simply damaged or changed or converted by their trauma, and thus lose their validity and right to a voice when we contest that actually, what they're doing isn't protecting us. Its harming us. By their opinions and actions we are no longer 'worthy' victims.

It did make me laugh a little that that person outright said with their entire heart that an organisation that's been dealing with actually protecting children and victims for literal decades isn't right or valid for stating that fictional content does not violate any law and is not morally or otherwise classified as CP.

Because. Y'know. Its their job to decide what is and isn't. And to prosecute and protect.

And the thing is... Even if the drawings are being made by a genuine, actual pedophile... I still don't see the issue. They're using art as an outlet and a coping mechanism to avoid harming real people. Are all those antis telling me they'd rather pedophiles harm real children?

Having a proper outlet does not encourage harm. Trying to bottle up your desires with no release does. There's a reason almost every single in-patient treatment facility and prison have art or literature as a therapy program.

If I know it would stop someone harming a real life child, I'd buy them the whole fucking art store.

Also, yeah. Having real life harm equated to fictional characters and art is so blatantly disrespectful its unreal. If you're trying to tell me what I went through is no more suffering than what a piece of paper or digital screen went through, you're telling me I have no more value than something that doesn't even exist.

I feel like you're overcomplicating things just to feel better about yourself, frankly. CP is legally defined (and just, like, generally considered) as pornographic material depicting minors. It doesn't specify "real" minors or disqualify fictional/drawn material definitionally. A drawn image of a child is still a depiction of a minor, and pornographic material involving minors is still a depiction of a child even if it's fictional. You can consider them morally inequivalent all you want, I'm not here to argue morals with you and you can think one is worse than the other and I won't debate it, but "drawn CP doesn't exist" is a bad take because it's still porn depicting children. It's still porn involving children. It's still PORN INVOLVING CHILDREN. I truly don't understand how the children not being technically real makes this definitionally any different, or makes it "not child porn" by definition

Multiple federal and professional services who specialise in identifying actual CP and preventing it and protecting their victims: Fictional content is not legally CP and cannot be prosecuted as such please stop wasting our resources intended for real victims. You: