Drawn Cp Not Being Classed As Csem By The FBI Doesn't Mean It's Okay, You Know That Right? You Understand

Drawn cp not being classed as csem by the FBI doesn't mean it's okay, you know that right? You understand that just because something is legal doesn't mean it's immune to criticism? Do you understand that "it's allowed by the FBI actually!!" is a very weak and bad response to someone condemning something?

"Drawn CP."

Again. Not actually CP.

Its. Fictional.

By definition. It does not involve any real children. That's the distinction I'm making. Because its an important one, and one that people who share your mindset love to ignore in regards to vehement defence of fictional characters who neither exist nor need defending. Because they're not real.

By all means. Criticize or condemn what you like. If your moral stance is that you can't separate fictional creations from real life actions and intent, then that's your stance. If its equitable to you, that's your opinion.

Where it has to stop is when you begin trying to treat those fictional characters with the same victim consideration as real people and labelling the person who created the content as a rapist/murderer/pedophile/ect.

People like you love to condemn fictional content on the basis that it serves as an alternate, direct reflection of reality, when the simple fact is that it isn't.

OP's post was quite literally: "If you're using the subject of your trauma to create fiction that allows you to heal or exist in the least harmful way, you should feel ashamed and guilty."

My response was. Why?

Genuinely. I would love to know what is so abhorrent about people creating victimless, fictional content because it benefits them.

I, personally, would prefer someone writes 100,000 pieces of fiction over harming a real life child.

I, personally, would prefer someone writes 100,000 pieces of fiction over going out and trying to find an outlet in unsafe sex and making themselves vulnerable.

I, personally, would rather people enjoy or experience dangerous, wild, weird, unsafe, unethical kinks and activities fictionally over doing it in real life and winding up hurt or hurting someone else.

I, personally, would never see someone processing, understanding or finding outlet from their trauma through fiction and demand they scuttle off into some dark corner and hate themselves for it.

I implore you to talk to some actual real life therapists who specialise in trauma. Not just your generic therapist. An actual trauma specialist. Creating fictional content, be it art, literature, music, ect, is a very viable, proven tool for both living with something and moving on from it.

This anti, who routinely reblogs and shows support for sending people death threats, rape threats, infertility threats and other much arguably more harmful content than fanfiction will ever be, broke their own DNI to reblog one of my posts, and when called out on their hypocrisy, blocked me and made this post.

Ordinarily, I'd let it go, but I'd like to use this instance to be blatant about why self-proclaimed proshippers tend to see antis as unreasonable hypocrites who cannot be seen as honest examples of the beliefs they uphold.

Because they don't. Uphold them.

(And, ironically, they use one of the core beliefs of proshipping in their own post attempting to avoid accountability for their own actions. If you don't like something, ignore it.)

@liashxlie, if you're ever open to having an actual discussion about this, feel free to unblock me. You have so much to say when nobody talks back. I'd love to see what you have to say when you're not just spouting violence and running away.

Fiction does not affect reality in that what happens in fiction is not real. As in, cause in fiction does not result in affect within reality. It is not a 1:1 cause/affect scenario.

As in, if I write a piece of fiction about slapping someone, I have not, in fact, actually slapped them. Nor will they read it and feel the pain of being slapped.

Fictional action =/= real-life response.

We are neither lying nor ignoring anything. Representation in movies also has literally nothing to do with that argument. It has everything to do with real life classism and racism being perpetrated within a real-life industry.

(Because fiction does not exist without being created by someone or multiple persons. And as such, fiction is the victim of the mindset of its creator(s).)

Similarly, literally all of your arguments in the following paragraph:

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

Also relate to the exact same point. You're taking a tagline and trying to associate it with something completely different. You're taking separation of fictional content to real-life actions and values and trying to apply it to the broader spectrum of real-life societal issues and influence.

"If you can't write women..."

Author issue.

"Only depict characters of color as stereotypes..."

Author prejudice.

"Write disabled people only ever as horror...."

Common ableist association in media production.

Absolutely nobody is saying that media and media production are not tainted by or victims of societal and personal prejudice in real life. But what we're also not saying is that that is equitable to fanfiction and fictional literature/artwork you simply think is objectionable or 'icky.'

People creating works of fiction that perpetrate ableist, racist, sexist or homophobic virtues, ideals or stereotypes is not a fiction issue. Its a person issue.

Neither is anyone saying you can't have personal objections to certain topics, themes or content, which is what you're trying to conceal behind the freedom to 'criticise.' Criticism is not aggressively attacking people over what they read or write.

Getting real fucking sick of the “Fiction doesn’t affect reality” and “Fictional characters aren’t real so whatever I do to them doesn’t matter” people

Like they’re just fucking lying and ignoring Very fucking big important ways those are wrong

Fiction Does affect reality why the fuck else would people want good minority rep so fucking bad? Why else would there be people who‘s first step to overcoming their bigotry be fictional characters? You get shows about fictional characters made for all types of different demographics get called propaganda because fiction fucking affects reality.

And Yes fictional characters aren‘t real doesn‘t fucking mean you can do whatever forever and not have it reflect on you. If you can‘t write women, can only depict characters of color as stereotypes, write disabled people only ever as horror yeah that will fucking reflect on you.

And just because you‘re jacking off to it doesn‘t fucking protect it from criticism. If you can only treat a type of person as something to get off too yeah you will be labeled as a piece of shit. Please don‘t tell me we need Another fucking run down on the ways the Ger/udo from tIoz are racist even if you‘re jizzing over belly dancer outfit Link

Fiction doesn‘t exist in a vacuum. Sure no one has to read your incest fanfiction but don‘t fucking act like just because it‘s fiction it is free from being criticized on it‘s premise or depiction. And if you think it should you better never open your goddamn mouth to criticize any depiction of anything in fiction.

Oh no. People who are healing and coping are happy with the fact that they're healing and coping. What a terrible thing. They must all immediately keel over in shame and die.

(By the way the legal definition of child pornography pertains only to pornography depicting and involving real life children.)

it would be a little easier if the people who were "coping with childhood sexual abuse" by making content that is perfectly described as "child pornography" seemed a little less gleeful about it. But what do I know.

no offense but some of y'all should really consume more weird media ok some of y'all are ready to clutch your pearls at the mere sight of the slightest offbeat concept in speculative fiction and this can't go on

By the way, no.

Fictional smut, be it literature or art, involving fictional characters who are children, is not child pornography because they are not actual children.

Hope this helps.

Stop watering down child pornography and its genuine horrors by trying to tell victims that made up little beings have the same rights as they do.

When people tell you its dangerous and dehumanizing to equate fictional people to real ones, listen to them.