Because Pornography Is Still Plot. Plot Is Merely The Actual Storytelling Part Of Writing Something.

Because pornography is still plot. Plot is merely the actual storytelling part of writing something. Plot is what happens within the story.

If my plot is the fact that my fourteen year old character rides my fifty year old character (hello, Starker) off into the sunset like the Lone Ranger's Silver, then that is the plot of my story.

What matters is that in real life, if I discovered a fourteen year old was sexually involved with a fifty year old, I would call the police.

Because one is fictional and one isn't. And we're capable of separating the fact that something that's enjoyable in concept isn't necessarily enjoyable (or morally sound) in reality.

imo theres a HUGE difference between writing incest and pedophilia as part of a story's plot and writing incest csa erotica, but coincidentally proshippers always seem to cite well known and popular stories that fall into the first category as reasons to be proship while they themselves always seem to write and indulge in the second category. why are those two things assumed to be comparable at all. theyre really not.

@lesbianmaxevans

For some reason Tumblr doesn't want to let me reblog my post with your (ridiculous) edition, so my apologies but this will have to suffice.

Firstly; you're incorrect on both counts. Foremost that I'm exclusively talking about CSA pornography, and secondmost that I'm talking about CSA pornography at all.

Namely because CSA pornography refers exclusively to the actual pornographic depiction of the sexual abuse of real children. As in, photos, videos and documentation. All of which are also, unsurprisingly, against AO3's policy regardless of also being against the law.

Now, sweeping aside your reduction and scapegoating of pedophilia, what I am actually talking about in this post is anti-censorship.

As in, the thing that makes shows like Game of Thrones, Sherlock Holmes, ect possible. The thing that makes all those fun books like Shadow Hunters and all those Taiwanese queer shows and even your nude art, horror art and so forth possible.

When I talk about the purges of fandom-based sites like LiveJournal and Wattpad I'm not talking about purging fanfiction of forty-year old men rawdogging toddlers.

I'm talking about queer content. Murder mysteries. Survivor stories. All of which were purged in excess from those websites to satisfy investors and religious radicals and people like you.

I highly recommend looking into just how many websites have banned even the mention of same-sex couples or activity in order to 'not offend anyone.'

All of that said;

Yes, additionally, I also advocate for the protection and preservation of content that would fall under the bracket of explicit across a number of subjects including but not limited to:

Pornography involving fictional characters who are minors/below the local age of consent.

Depictions of rape not strictly limited to survivor retellings or condemnation.

Depictions of murder both for plot and just for funsies.

Depictions of age gaps including but not limited to involving fictional minors.

Unhealthy relationships including between employees and employers, villains and heroes, ect.

And much more!

But, by all means. Reduce anti-censorship and an entire generational effort of activism to just 'CSA pornography.'

If an author removes their work from AO3 you do NOT have the right to re-upload it. It does not belong to you. It was removed. You do not have the authority nor ownership to decide what happens to it.

I am getting genuinely incensed by the amount of works I'm seeing being re-uploaded by so called "fans" because it was removed by the author. Does it suck that a piece of work you enjoyed was removed? Absolutely.

But its not your right to decide to re-upload it. If the author removed it, they did it for a reason, and they shouldn't have to fight you for the right to decide that they no longer want that work available to the public.

"But they can just let me know they want it removed!" Newsflash. They did. When they removed it in the first place.

I'd really like to address the Jaws part of this, because I actually have a post regarding that in my drafts ready to go, but OP makes a very valid, brilliant statement:

It didn't cause shark attacks to rise. It caused fear.

Jaws had no actual impact on sharks in terms of what the sharks did. Jaws didn't inherently increase the danger level of sharks. That stayed exactly the same. Sharks did as they've always done; existed in the ocean and occasionally hunted food that turned out to be a person. Because they're sharks and we chose to be thrashing, yummy prey in their natural habitat.

What Jaws did cause is a widespread misconception about that danger. Which resulted in voluntary human action. We, as people, actively chose to decide this risk factor was suddenly tenfold, and we had to mitigate it by immediately going out and killing as many sharks as we possibly could to reduce it again.

Except. It never changed. Because again; the risk was always exactly the same. And likewise; it didn't actually remove the risk at all. There's still sharks. We're still going in the ocean.

You choose to swim in the ocean, there might be hungry sharks that mistake you for brunch.

And that's not even touching on other arguments like intent and indirect influence.

I just feel like Pete Davidson’s SNL monologue shows the whole proshipping discourse boiled down to the most fundament difference between pros and antis.

Because like.

We have his sister, sitting down to watch GoT with him, and she is a person who has a very clear understanding of fiction vs reality. So when Pete starts getting all puritanical over how the villains are twincesting right in front of their eyes, she’s just like “well, it’s not real, you know.” And he jokes that he’s thinking “am I about to bang this chick?”

That is a direct quote from him, btw.

So there we have it. Sister understands that GoT is fiction, and that fucked up things happening in the fiction we consume does not mean we want to do those fucked up things. And Pete goes “oh, she’s ok with fictional incest in a TV show, clearly my sister would want to fuck me.”

And I get it, it’s a joke. But it’s a joke that so clearly shows the disconnect all this shipping discourse and dark themes in fiction discourse and… and it’s just. That disconnect.

And I don’t know if the antis will ever wrap their minds around “fiction isn’t reality” and before anyone brings up Jaws let me say I KNOW. But also: Jaws didn’t cause shark attacks to rise. It caused fear. Which is what a scary movie is supposed to do. It did it well because thalassophobia is fucking real. Not because sharks are wanton killing machines. Because it was tapping into a primal fear that most of us experience to some level.

Omegle is dead. RIP to a generational gem.

For those of you who used it for fandom roleplay, EmeraldChat is a good, similar alternative. You can add interests in the same way, and there are additional options like sending images and saving chats.

You are reblogging a proshipper's post from a proshipper.

Your definitions and explanations are bias and outright incorrect in some places.

You'd rather side with antis? Antis who spread around child porn and rape videos and graphic depictions of animal abuse, including actively tagging a victim in her own rape tape and trying to send it to her family and employers? Antis who have actively threatened to correctively rape victims? Antis who have physically harassed and stalked innocent people?

@justanimp just wondering. Because if you'd rather 'stand with antis' because of your trauma... You should know antis will not protect you. Antis don't care about your real life trauma as much, or more, as they do what people are doing online. Antis will turn on you the moment they think you are no longer a useable tool to their narrative.

If you think proshippers 'refuse to acknowledge the harm they cause' then do I have news for you about the anti community.