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Yes.

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what does “externals” mean in day 21 of the systober event?

All questions of the systober are responded in the @systober blog as I stated in one of the previous posts here /info

Reblog this post to ask mutuals to tell you their weirdest theory about u

Reblog this if it’s okay to DM you and shoot the friendship shot.

I didn't expect this but here we go

We actually have multiple front rooms tho we just know good about the main front room as it is... Well the main one lol

It's just a huge room with a super big console, some chairs and other specific rooms like extensions, idk it's very strange to explain it

Idk who to tag, however that wants to do it go ahead 😭

system tag game ! :D

endos do not interact !!

do you have a fronting room ? if so , what does it look like ? how does each headmate feel about the fronting room ?

@rigormortisangel @fangsinyourheart @munebat @sacryficing /nf , and uhhh any other sys mutuals i’m blanking sorry fellas

my fronting room is a giant cardboard box , details are to be figured out i guess ?? i think its really silly /pos , oscar loves it because it likes closed spaces , mordu thinks it’s stupid , i don’t know crash’s opinions , and idk if zephyr’s even been here lol !

Hiii!! This might be a kinda weird ask, but we remember your answer to an ask game a while ago where you mentioned having different levels of the fragment->alter scale and we were just really curious and were wondering if you’d be willing to share more in depth abt that?? /nf ofc, just wondering cause it sounds like a really neat form of organization!! :3

-Kinito (it/he/they) 💾 <33

Oh yeah sure, I'm not going to go in super in depth here because personal preference but if you find interesting enough what I say here and you want to know more about you can totally ask in dm

We have two main categories for seeing formation here, we have the persmos and the canvas, I'm gonna explain both categories in a simple way, just that canvas will not have a very good explanation

The persmos are divided on 7 sections that are:

Alter-1A = Formed 90-100%

Alter-1B = Formed 75-90%

Demifragter-2A = Formed 55-75%

Demifragter-2B = Formed 45-55%

Demifragter-2C = Formed 30-45%

Fragment-3A = Formed 20-30%

Fragment-3B = Formed 5-20%

We tend to only recognize this ones as the only important enough to register them in our simply plural or acknowledge their existence, so after that we don't tend to keep a register of the rest

After the persmo category all the ones that have a 5 or less formation are put in the canvas category which have their own specification depending on many factors

For personal comfort we're not gonna dive in depth on how the canvas category works outside that they're fragments that don't even tend to have their own conscious neither being aware they exists and therefore are classified depending on how they help or what they can do for the system function

Hope this answered and sorry for taking so fucking long to answer this lmao

What You're All Getting Wrong About DID

a 'masterlist'

This post will be impossibly long. Seriously.

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"I don't think I could have DID/OSDD because none of my alters are distinctly different people! I never feel like a separate person!" and a basic explanation of what DID actually is

"As far as she remembers, she did not hear voices as a child or overtly switch identity states (to her knowledge or to the observation of others). Even though she did derive substantial benefit from several decades of psychotherapy, she still did not know that she had dissociated identities. All she knew was that she had struggled for many years to overcome an extraordinarily difficult childhood [. . .] This is the case with many who are dealing with dissociative identity disorder (DID). They have lived confusing, often crisis-ridden, terrifying, and quite routinely painful—even if sometimes outwardly successful—lives. Frequently, they had no idea of what was really the matter with them until some revelatory crisis took place." -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (p. 16)

Let me get this out of the way first: DID does not involve a totally distinct person taking over someone else's mind and body. It can feel and look this way for some people, but that is not what is actually happening.

The whole person is made up of alters that switch between each other. There is no singular person who is simply being "taken over" by their alters. Rather, the person is a different alter at different times.

"The part of the self who is in executive control most of the time is generally called the host. I prefer not to use the term host because of the inference that the person is possessed and that exorcism is the cure and because of the association of host with parasites. In addition, the association of host at a dinner party or for houseguests suggests that this part of the person is hosting the other parts" -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (p. 81)

Take, for example, your friend with DID named Katie. However, Katie is not just "Katie", but instead, they are "Katie" and another alter named "Freddie." Or they might be many more different alters than that.

Even though you may have known this friend as Katie your whole life, the truth is that Katie is only one alter out of the possible MANY alters that can occur within a DID system. Freddie is not an "extension" of Katie and they are not an outside entity who comes to possess and take over Katie's consciousness. Rather, the whole individual person - as Katie AND as Freddie - switches between these two alters, or many more alters, if there exists more.

Before somebody realizes they have DID, all or many of the alters also will not know it (you can't know you have DID unless you know it, after all. Your alters cannot know things that your entire "self" have never known or experienced).

What this means is that once you find out you have DID, it becomes a process of those alters starting to find out who they are.

Alters may confuse themself for one another (Alter C thought they were alter B; Alter N thought they were Alter C; etc.). This is common and normal (especially common amongst polyfragmented systems, I've noticed), and it can often be the case at first.

You might notice that you feel like a wolf sometimes, and with now realizing you have DID, you can then give a name to that feeling and recognize that to be an alter. Of course simply feeling like a wolf sometimes is not indicative of DID, but I'm talking about specifically when you DO have DID.

This is often how switches and alters are experienced for people before they realize they have DID - "I felt really angry at my dad and felt like a wolf, I had the urge to growl and bark." Once that person realizes they have DID, they can then say "Oh! I switched to an angry wolf alter and they were angry at my dad!"

This is, personally, how I prefer to describe what DID is and what it's like.

People always assume that switches between alters means that the alters are self-aware of themselves, know they exist, have names for themselves, but really, it takes becoming aware that they exist at all in order for them to even give themself a name or something.

There's a lot of nuance and complexities to this, but I hope my point is getting across.

"The most important point about the ANP and the EP is that they are dissociated, as separate dissociative parts of the personality. Even though the ANP may often appear to have a larger scope and greater functionality, once there is an EP, the ANP can only be a part of the personality. It is not correct to say that the EP is dissociated from the ANP as if the ANP is whole and unaffected except for those intrusive troublemakers, the EPs" -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (pgs. 91-92)

This does not mean that alters are not, and cannot, be their own individual people.

Only 5-6% of people with DID have a "florid" presentation in which their alters are overtly distinct in a way in which others notice drastic, dramatic personality switches. For the vast majority of people with DID, switches are hidden and unobservable and it often takes a trained eye to notice any changes.

"Many clinicians and lay people believe that DID presents with dramatic, florid personality states with obvious state transitions (switching). These florid presentations are likely based on media stereotypes, but actually occur in only about 5% of DID patient. The vast majority of DID patients have subtle presentations characterized by a mixture of dissociative and PTSD symptoms embedded with other symptoms such as posttraumatic depression, substance abuse, somatoform symptoms, eating disorders, personality disorders, and self-destructive and impulsive behaviors." -- Chronic Complex Dissociative Disorders and Borderline Personality Disorder: Disorders of Emotion Dysregulation?

"Changes between identities cause confusion and disruption in awareness and ‘sense of self’. Sometimes others will observe changes. However, such symptoms can also be hidden from others. [. . .] These symptoms vary between individuals with DID (just like other mental health conditions have individual differences). For example, some people have obvious signs of identity change, but others have very few outward signs." -- Fact Sheet: What are the Dissociative Disorders?

Some people have a presentation of DID that is very "overt" where their alters all have vastly different personalities, names, voices, etc. Other people do not.

Systems can, in fact, have a presentation that is highly overt where they are highly aware of their alters. This is a real and valid experience that many people with DID have, and it does not indicate faking and it does not invalid your experience if you happen to be a part of that demographic of people who DO have a very overt presentation with alters who are highly aware of themselves and who present as their own separate people.

All systems are different, no two experiences will ever be the same, and it's okay if your experiences do not fall in line with the experiences that other systems have, whether your alters are quite distinct and different or not.

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"I don't think I could have DID because (I didn't have it that bad/I wasn't sexually/physically abused/etc.)"

"The traumatic experiences that may result in dissociative disorders do not always stem from sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. Disorganized attachment which often underlies the dissociative structure of dissociative disorders may result from overwhelming experiences in the infant’s interpersonal environment that are not caused by parental maltreatment. Parental illness, depression, or problematic attachment styles may be psychically overwhelming and lead to disorganized attachment. In addition, medical trauma may be dissociogenic." -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (pgs. 18-19)

"Milder presentations of DID are sometimes associated with traumatization that is covert, such as enduring severely dysfunctional communication and relationship styles in family members, including subtle forms of emotional neglect. In a study conducted on a large group of college students, Şar et al demonstrated that emotional neglect predicted a dissociative disorder (including DID) diagnosis. Krüger and Fletcher demonstrated that self-reported emotional neglect by biological parents or siblings in childhood was the strongest individual predictor of an adult diagnosis of a dissociative disorder (including DID) in psychiatric patients (out of all other combinations of abuse type and abuser-abused relational ties)." -- Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: a Biopsychosocial Perspective

"Abuse, however painful and horrible, is not necessarily affectively or cognitively overwhelming of itself. [. . .] An individual can endure terrible circumstances, even life-threatening events, but they are not necessarily perceived or experienced as traumatic to that person. Many variables may be at stake, including past history of trauma, overall resilience, and the social context, to name a few. For example, if one has the opportunity and ability to communicate emotions about the event to another person who is responsive and caring, it may link the traumatic event with one’s ongoing life experience and with interpersonal connection, thus lessening the extent to which the experience is overwhelming and making it more tolerable. This does not mean that abuse is not bad. Abuse is terrible and unacceptable, but it does not always result in trauma. When it does, in my view the effect of that trauma is dissociation. [. . .] It is not only the “traumatic event” in isolation but also the context of the event that makes something traumatic. It can make all the difference if a traumatized child can tell a sympathetic caregiving figure what happened and receive support." -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (p. 107)

And, no, experiencing ""less bad"" trauma or something does not mean you have OSDD. People diagnosed with OSDD have experienced a lot of trauma! They do not deserve to be thrown under the bus and treated like their diagnosis means they experienced "less bad" trauma.

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"I don't think I could have DID/OSDD because (I don't have amnesia/my amnesia isn't that bad/etc.)!"

"I don't have amnesia/my amnesia is rare/my amnesia isn't that bad - does that mean I have OSDD instead?"

"Dissociative amnesia, a psychiatric disorder in which patients have an inability to retrieve specific (unpleasant) memories. . . It usually follows a traumatic or stressful autobiographical event and is not due to any direct physiological effects of a neurological or other general medical condition and is, therefore, presumed to be psychogenic in origin. Dissociative amnesia often occurs very soon after traumatic events (i.e., insoluble and intolerable problems) but sometimes arises in association with continuous internal conflict or an ongoing intolerable situation" -- Memory Repression: Brain Mechanisms underlying Dissociative Amnesia

"In addition to an inability to recall personal information, DA may also involve the loss and recovery of semantic and procedural memories. Semantic memory lacks the reflective aspect (i.e., one knows something to be a fact without linking a personal episode to this knowledge). Procedural memory, in contrast, concerns motor repertoires. The experimental literature reports that in DA, the forgotten information is still present and often influences the person’s behavior." -- Dissociative Amnesia in Dissociative Disorders and Borderline Personality Disorder: Self-Rating Assessment in a College Population

" Although the forgotten information may be inaccessible to consciousness, it sometimes continues to influence behavior (eg, a woman who was raped in an elevator refuses to ride in elevators even though she cannot recall the rape).

Most patients are partly or completely unaware that they have gaps in their memory. They become aware only when personal identity is lost or when circumstances make them aware, such as when others tell them or ask them about events they cannot remember

Some patients report flashbacks, as occur in PTSD; flashbacks may alternate with amnesia for the contents of the flashbacks. Some patients develop PTSD later, especially when they become aware of the traumatic or stressful events that triggered their amnesia.

Most patients recover their missing memories, and amnesia resolves. However, some are never able to reconstruct their missing past. "

-- Dissociative Amnesia

The DSM-5 states clearly that the criteria for "dissociative amnesia" includes things like amnesia for past traumatic events and what happened during the day, and not just dissociative fugue states or finding that you've done/said something with no memory of it. The ICD-11 also backs this up and states that in order to meet the criteria for dissociative amnesia for DID, amnesia must have been present at some point during your life with DID, again supporting that amnesia for the past is enough to meet the criteria. So, if your amnesia only presents as amnesia for your childhood, that is "enough" to meet the criteria for a diagnosis of DID.

Also, the idea of switching from one alter to another and having total, complete amnesia for every possible thing that the previous fronting alter did, said, felt, and thought isn't really what you might think it is, and is, again, not a requirement for having DID.

"Alternation between distinct personality states is not always associated with amnesia. That is, one personality state may have awareness and recollection of the activities of another personality state during a particular episode. However, substantial episodes of amnesia are typically present at some point during the course of the disorder." -- The ICD-11 about DID

"The dissociative amnesia of individuals with dissociative identity disorder manifests in three primary ways: as 1) gaps in remote memory of personal life events (e.g., periods of childhood or adolescence; some important life events, such as the death of a grandparent, getting married, giving birth); 2) lapses in dependable memory (e.g., of what happened today, of well-learned skills such as how to do their job, use a computer, read, drive); and 3) discovery of evidence of their everyday actions and tasks that they do not recollect doing (e.g., finding unexplained objects in their shopping bags or among their possessions; finding perplexing writings or drawings that they must have created; discovering injuries; “coming to” in the midst of doing something). Dissociative fugues, wherein the person discovers dissociated travel, are common. Thus, individuals with dissociative identity disorder may report that they have suddenly found themselves at the beach, at work, in a nightclub, or somewhere at home (e.g., in the closet, on a bed or sofa, in the corner) with no memory of how they came to be there. Amnesia in individuals with dissociative identity disorder is not limited to stressful or traumatic events; these individuals often cannot recall everyday events as well. Individuals with dissociative identity disorder vary in their awareness and attitude toward their amnesias. It is common for these individuals to minimize their amnestic symptoms. Some of their amnestic behaviors may be apparent to others—as when these persons do not recall something they were witnessed to have done or said, when they cannot remember their own name, or when they do not recognize their spouse, children, or close friends." -- DSM-5, page 293

Having minimal amnesia does not mean that you have OSDD.

People can often believe that they do not experience amnesia, when in reality they do, they are just forgetting it and are not aware of their amnesia. This is the case for many people.

The question becomes "do you really not have amnesia, or are you just not aware of that amnesia/are you forgetting/etc.?"

This is such a tricky question to answer, and many people will not realize or recognize or notice or be aware of ANY amnesia until they are further along in recovery.

In reality, a system can experience quite severe amnesia while telling people "I have no amnesia/I have minimal amnesia." This is a common case for many people with DID.

Many will also dismiss and minimize and excuse their amnesia - it becomes even harder when you have a condition that DOES cause memory problems outside of DID, such as ADHD.

Sometimes other people are not pointing out our memory lapses, and so we believe that we don't have amnesia because nobody is pointing it out. In reality, they might be noticing, but not be telling you or saying anything.

Amnesia can hide itself so well that you can sincerely, fully believe and say with your full chest that you have little to no memory problems, only to find out that that was never true.

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So what is OSDD?

When somebody is diagnosed with OSDD, it is because they do not meet the full criteria of any other dissociative disorder. The reasons for this may be documented by the clinician who has given the diagnosis. There may be many different reasons for somebody to be diagnosed with OSDD.

"This category applies to presentations in which symptoms characteristic of a dissociative disorder that cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning predominate but do not meet the full criteria for any of the disorders in the dissociative disorders diagnostic class. The other specified dissociative disorder category is used in situations in which the clinician chooses to communicate the specific reason that the presentation does not meet the criteria for any specific dissociative disorder. This is done by recording “other specified dissociative disorder’ followed by the specific reason (e.g., “dissociative trance”)." -- The DSM-5 about Other Specified Dissociative Disorder

OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b are community-made terms. You cannot be diagnosed with "OSDD-1a" or "OSDD-1b."

The question of "is this DID or OSDD?" is a pointless, useless question, because what IS OSDD in the first place? It is a diagnosis of exclusion. You do not get diagnosed with OSDD because you specifically meet the criteria for OSDD - you get diagnosed with OSDD because you DO NOT meet the criteria for ANY OTHER DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER (which is more than just DID, by the way).

Stop asking if something is "DID or OSDD" because you aren't asking a question that makes sense.

More often than not, whether or not you get diagnosed with DID or OSDD depends entirely on the clinician diagnosing you. What one clinician says is OSDD, another will say is DID.

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All About Alters:

"Among the most commonly encountered parts, or alters, are (a) the part who is in executive control most of the time (i.e., the host); (b) child parts; (c) abuser or persecutor parts, including parts modeled after the abusers; (d) differently gendered parts; (e) seductive parts; (f) protector, rescuer, or soother parts; and (g) a manager. There are also commonly adolescent parts; angry and terrified parts of different ages; homicidal and suicidal parts; parts named Satan, Lucifer, Devil, Demon, and such; parts named No One; mute parts; dead parts; extremely functional and efficient parts; parts who know a language or a skill that others do not know; gatekeeper parts who keep other traumatized parts from emerging; parts who have various other functions such as The One Who Watches and Remembers; and sometimes animal parts. There are also often parts who are really just fragments with one isolated function, such as The One Who Cooks, The One Who Cleans, and so on. Parts may change in the way they function and in their positions in the system over time." -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (p. 81)

There's almost no limit to how alters can feel, experience themselves, identify, look, think, remember...

Systems may or may not have a host; they may have multiple hosts, or 'co-hosts', or they may not have any singular alter who fronts most of the time. Some systems may "technically" "have a host" but may not want to use the word "host" to describe their alters for any number of reasons.

Systems may or may not have alters that relate to any of the common "roles" that many other systems may have - for example, a system may feel that their alters cannot be described using words like "persecutor" or "caretaker" or "self-soother". Instead, a system may come up with their own words to use for themself, or they may find different words to use, or they may not use any kind of terminology to describe an alter's "role" within the system.

It's important to note that terms like "caretaker", "persecutor", "protector", "gatekeeper" and more are not scientific medical terms, rather terms that many systems may relate to. This isn't always the case, and a system who does not like, relate to, or feel that such terms are fitting for them is not faking or lying somehow, nor is it proof that somebody doesn't have DID or OSDD.

Some systems may not even use terms like "alters" or "parts" for a multitude of reasons, and may opt for other terms instead. Some people with DID or OSDD may even prefer to be referred to as that - a person with DID or OSDD - or they may or may not like to refer to themself as a system. They may choose a different word instead. Personally, I like to refer to myself as a Multiple, which was what people with 'MPD' were referred to as.

Again, every system is different and people should be allowed to use their own individual, unique terminology for themself. There is no "right" or "wrong" terminology and it's important to adapt to a system's individual terminology.

Names

Sometimes alters might not have names, and they may or may not decide to choose a name for themself

Sometimes alters will all have their own separate names

Sometimes alters might all share one singular name, or a 'group' of alters might share a name together (for example, 3 alters sharing the same name, or 5 alters sharing the same name, etc.)

Sometimes alters won't know what their name is, or if they even have one

Alters may have multiple names for themself, and/or change their name

They may have letters/numbers for names, or colors or flowers, etc.

They may have descriptors instead of names, such as "The Cook" because that alter likes to cook, or a depressed alter being called "The Depressed One."

Alters can have ANY kind of name for themself, no matter how "weird" or "strange."

It's important to note that an alter's name may not be the most appropriate name to use, for example, if the name is taken by a closed culture and/or is taken from a culture that you (as a whole person) have not been a part of and/or have not been genuinely educated on and/or involved with. Try to be as respectful of other cultures as much as possible.

Gender, Sex, and Sexuality

"Many people with DID have differently gendered parts. These are often highly stereotyped, not only as gender tends to be but also in accordance with the fact that young children rely more heavily on stereotypes than do adults" -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (p. 86)

Alters may be any gender and use any gender labels for themself

Alters may identify with no gender

Alters may identify with neopronouns, xenogenders, or have any other kind of "weird" experience with gender

Alters may or may not experience dysphoria towards your body

Alters may be any sexuality and use any sexuality labels for themself

Alters may identify with "weird" sexuality labels, contradictory sexuality labels, etc.

Again, one should be careful when it comes to using certain terminology if they do not belong to a group of people who CAN use the term (for example: alters should not call themselves intersex if the entire person themself is not intersex, etc.)

Ages

Alters may be older, younger, or the same age as your body

Alters may be as young as infant age

Alters may be "stuck"/"frozen" at an age, due to trauma reasons, or due to non-direct traumatic circumstances

Alters may be an age that does NOT match the age of traumatization (i.e. an alter may identify with the age of 10, but they hold feelings from abuse they experienced at age 5)

Alters may experience themself as "having no age" or any other kind of "weird" age ("infinite age", "billions of years old", etc.)

Alters may age up along with your body

Alters may experience their age "symbolically", rather than actually feeling/being/identifying as/with that age

Alters may believe they are a different age than your body, and be surprised to learn that they are a completely different age than what they thought

Alters may feel as if they change ages/that their age is fluid (they may sometimes feel that they are 7-years-old, and other times feel as if they are 17, etc.)

Alters may not have a specific age, but have an age "range" (such as an alter who says they are anywhere from 5-8-years-old, or even a wider range, such as anywhere from 15-23)

Alters may or may not "act" the way that one might expect them to act due to their age (example: an alter who is 3-years-old may still behave like a "normal" adult, or an alter who is 14-years-old may behave as if they are much younger than that, etc.)

Most importantly: CHILD ALTERS ARE NOT THE SAME AS REAL, BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN!

Alters, no matter their age, may or may not be able to consent to adult activities, including doing drugs, having sex, drinking alcohol, driving, and more, including alters who may be constituted as 'child alters', AS LONG AS THE PERSON'S BODY MEETS THE REQUIRED AGE OF CONSENT TO DO THESE THINGS, AND IS DOING THEM IN A SAFE AND CONSENSUAL WAY THAT IS NOT HARMING ANYONE, AND IF AND WHEN AND ONLY IF AND WHEN THAT ALTER IS CAPABLE OF CONSENTING.

This is a very tricky topic that has a lot of nuance! As many topics do!

It is up to the individual person, the individual system, to decide whether or not an alter is capable of consenting to something like sex, drinking alcohol, etc. Some systems will have alters who can consent to having sex. Other systems will have alters who cannot consent to having sex. It's not about the age, but "how vulnerable is this alter? Are they capable of consenting to this, and if so, why/how?"

"Although it may seem odd to say this, one should keep in mind that child alters are not real children. Even while speaking in childlike ways, child alters often understand abstract concepts and long words. As Shusta-Hochberg (2004) noted: "It is important to remember that the patient is an adult, despite the childlike ego states. These parts are not actual children". This is in agreement with Ross’s (1997) statement that “child alters are not packets of childness retained in a surrounding sea of adult psyche. They are stylized packets of adult psyche” -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (pgs. 83-84)

Child alters are going to be different depending on the individual system. It's important to always remember that each and every single system is different.

Species

"Some people with DID have animal parts. While in animal identity states, they may exhibit animal-like behaviors, such as growling, scratching, or running on all fours. They may also hear animal calls inside the head or have visual flashbacks involving animal identities. Other clinical cues that may indicate the presence of animal identities include excessive fear of animals, excessive involvement with a pet, and cruelty to animals Children often identify with animals and experience them as peers and friends. Abused children may develop animal parts they experience as protectors, peers, or both in an environment where there was no protection. Or, the patient may have identified through loss with a beloved pet that was lost, innocently killed, or murdered to terrify the child, to demonstrate the abuser’s omnipotence, or to enforce silence. Sometimes, parts named after the cat family (leopard, cougar, tiger) may serve as protector states that are allowed to express the emotion the host cannot. [. . .] On the other hand, the presence of cat-family parts, or other animal parts, may be more serious and indicate the possibility of dangerous violence—something that should be assessed. Animal identities may also be self-representations that are consistent with the abuser’s treatment and labeling of the child. For example, the child may have been treated like an animal. Dog parts are not infrequent identifications. A part named Dog may represent how the patient was treated like a dog and forced to bark like a dog by her abusers. Or, the child may have been forced into sexual behaviors with animals, leading to a view of the self as an animal or as bestial and inhuman. [. . .] Animal parts may also express evaluations of one’s own experience metaphorically. My patient Anna experiences herself at times as a fish and as different kinds of snakes. This probably derives from the fact that she grew up in a coastal village where many people fished for a living. Sometimes, she awakens from sleep, feeling that she is wriggling like a fish, and is unable to use her arms and legs for a few minutes. Perhaps the brutal way she was treated, often with her arms and legs pinned down, made her feel like a “beast of prey,” and she understood this feeling in terms of something with which she was more familiar—as if she were one of the fish that were so much a part of her home environment." -- Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach (pgs. 87-89)

Alters may experience themself as something other than human, or partially human. This can happen for many reasons. There is no "right" or "wrong" way for a nonhuman alter to Be and there is no right or wrong reason for a nonhuman alter to form.

Alters may be an animal (cat, dog, wolf, deer, elephant, etc.)

Alters may be an object (a tree, a flower, a toy, etc.)

Alters may be a mythical creature, an extinct animal, a ghost, a vampire, etc - anything

When a nonhuman alter fronts, they may or may not act the same/similar to the nonhuman 'entity' that they are/that they're based off of. For example, a cat alter fronts and the person acts like a cat by only walking on all fours, meowing, purring, etc. Sometimes a nonhuman alter will not act like the nonhuman 'entity' that they are/they they're based off of. Each system is different and no two nonhuman alters will be the same for everyone, even within a system.

Sometimes an alter won't consider themself "nonhuman", even if they identify as something that isn't human/etc.; they may reject the label of nonhuman for themself if they feel it isn't a label they resonate with.

Animal alters can form for ANY reason, and it is not always for reasons related to trauma. Maybe the person identifies with cats because they have always loved cats, grew up around cats, find comfort around cats, etc. Or maybe the person experienced trauma surrounding a certain animal. Again, they can form for ANY reason, and there are no right or wrong reasons.

Introjects

Introjection is "a process in which an individual unconsciously incorporates aspects of external reality into the self, particularly the attitudes, values, and qualities of another person or a part of another person’s personality" (The American Psychological Association's definition of "introjection.")

In DID and OSDD, an introject is an alter that is based off of a real or fictional person, character, animal, etc. It is taking the attitudes, values, and qualities of a person, animal, etc., real or fictional, and developing an alter based upon your perception of that person, animal, etc.

The animal, person, etc. that an alter is based off of is oftentimes referred to as a "source."

For example: somebody starts to watch a new show for the first time, and they strongly relate to one of the characters. This character may have attitudes, values, qualities, etc. that the person may introject, and an alter may form based around that character.

Introject alters may be based off of a fictional character, even if you yourself created that character, or a friend created the character, or it's someone else's character online that you saw, etc.

Introjects may be based off of a real person that you know or once knew

Introjects may be based off of a real person whom you have never met (such as introjects based off of a famous celebrity, etc.)

Introjects may or may not genuinely believe that they are the source that they are based off of.

Introjects may be extremely similar to the thing(s) they are based off of, or they may be completely different.

Introjects may use the name that their source uses, or have a different name.

Introjects may have the same gender or a completely different gender from the one from their source

Introjects may love, hate, or otherwise have mixed feelings about their source. Introjects may want nothing to do with their source.

Sometimes, an alter might not really be an introject, but may identify with the source for one reason or another, but not consider themself to be an introject of that source. For example, an alter might just really like a certain character from a show you like and might express themselves through or as that character, but consider themself different from that character.

It is a completely normal, and common, experience for an alter to "become" an introject and latch onto an outside source to form an identity around, especially if that alter struggled to know who or what they were in the first place. It's completely fine to consider these alters introjects if you want to. Some people say that this is not a "true" or "real" introject, but frankly, I don't really care, and it's a silly hill to die on.

Just like any other alter, introject alters may happen for any reason.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way for an alter to be an introject, and introject alters are not "bad", even if their source is something bad (such as an introject alter based off of a widely known serial killer, or an introject alter based off of a television series with highly questionable material in them, etc.).

It's important to remember that somebody having an introject of someone/something associated with racism, homophobia, etc. DOES NOT MEAN that that person themself is racist, homophobic, etc.

Please do not judge a person based off of an introject they have. You do not know why that introject exists and it is incredibly harmful to assume that that person is a bad person simply because of the introject(s) they have. Please be mindful and do not assume. Again, every system is different and unique.

The formation of an alter and the "reasons" for why they exist are going to be different for different systems, and there is no singular reason for a specific "type" of alter to form. In other words, the "reason" for an alter's existence is going to be different for everyone. Whatever the reason for an alter existing and being the way they are, that reason is valid and it is real, and does not mean you're faking or wrong about having DID.

Inner World

The inner world is commonly referred to as an internal space where alters can communicate and interact with one another.

Systems may have a vivid and clear inner world that might feel incredibly real

Systems may have NO inner world

Systems may started out without an inner world, but then develop one - or vice versa

Systems may experience trauma from things that happened in the inner world, but did not happen in their real life

Systems may experience things happening in the inner world as incredibly real and vivid

Systems may communicate with other alters in the inner world, or they may struggle to do so. They may communicate in the inner world through sharing thoughts, "speaking" internally, sending images, or any other way.

Systems may be able to hear the voices of their alters, or NOT hear any voices of their alters.

"These voices are usually, but by no means always, located ‘‘in the head.’’ A small minority of persons who have DID deny hearing voices; some of the latter actually do hear voices, but they have reframed or rationalized them (eg, ‘‘it’s me,’’ ‘‘it’s just my conscience’’). Nevertheless, some persons who have DID genuinely do not hear voices." -- A New Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder

To be honest, if I wrote everything that could possibly happen in an inner world, this post would be a dictionary book.

Whatever happens and/or has happened in your inner world, I want to validate it - you aren't weird or cringe and it's not stupid or silly.

Other

". . .many patients who have DID hear or see what some personalities say or do when they are ‘‘out.’’ Many clinicians have incorrectly assumed that a person who has DID can never be aware of the activities of another personality. This assumption, which is supported by the classic view of DID, is often cited as a reason for ruling out the diagnosis of DID (ie, if the patient remembers what an alter personality did or said, then the patient, supposedly, does not have DID). The Dissociative Disorders Interview Schedule (DDIS) and the SCID-D-R inquire about the person’s subjective awareness of other personalities. The 4DELL DSM-IV does not mention that patients who have DID typically have subjective awareness of other personalities." -- A New Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder

Alters may have different voices - speak in different tones, speak in different accents, etc.

Alters may be completely unable to speak

Alters may speak different languages

Alters may have very different personalities, similar personalities, smaller differences in personalities...

Alters may have different likes and dislikes

Alters may have different hobbies/interests

Alters may have different food preferences, clothing preferences, etc.

Alters may have different religions

Alters may have different relationships (platonic, romantic, sexual, familial, etc.), internally with other alters and/or externally with other people

Alters may have relationships between one another that, while completely healthy and fine in-system, would be incredibly abusive if played out in real life (because remember: an alter's age is no relevant. It is the age of your entire self, body that matters. So, yes, maybe a child alter is in a relationship with an adult alter. Maybe for trauma-related reasons! Or maybe for a different reason. It's not your business, don't assume, and oftentimes it's not like the system/those alters can change it.)

Alters may have neurobiological/physiological/psychobiological/etc. differences (different eyesight prescriptions, different reactions to medication, different blood pressure readings, etc.)

Systems may have many alters of a specific kind of alter (such as many child alters, many animal alters, many introjects of the same characters, etc.)

Systems may choose to achieve final fusion

Systems may choose to stay separate and only work on general integration and symptom management

Systems might be incredibly large, not very large, or incredibly small.

About Switching

Systems may switch frequently

Systems may rarely switch/only switch under specific circumstances

Systems may switch very easily and smoothly

Systems may switch without realizing or knowing/noticing they've switched

Systems may experience painful/disorienting/difficult switches

Systems may have switches that take a long time

Systems may switch INSTANTANEOUSLY withing SECONDS

Systems may be very aware, or unaware, of their switches

Systems may or may not know which alter they have switched to

Systems may essentially never know which alter is fronting

Systems may always/almost always or frequently know which alter is fronting and have high amounts of self-awareness to be able to know when they switch and who they've switched to

". . .a switch may become apparent within minutes to hours." ". . .alter personality switches typically occur within five minutes" "If one studies videotapes of alter personality switches in MPD patients using facial changes as end-point markers, some switches appear to occur within a few seconds." -- The Switch Process in Multiple Personality Disorder and Other State-Change Disorders

"Switching between alternate identities has been reported to take anywhere from a few seconds, to 30 sec, to brief times less than 2–5 min. . .the switches that occurred during this study were rapid and appeared instantaneous. Some switches were readily apparent, while others were not. . ." -- Measuring Fragmentation in Dissociative Identity Disorder: the Integration Measure and Relationship to Switching and Time in Therapy

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My favorite resource to send to people as an absolute starter for learning about DID is BeautyAfterBruises - DID Myths and Misconceptions (2017). I enjoy the other posts on this website as well.

Carolyn Spring is also a great place to learn about CDDs, similar to BeautyAfterBruises and other similar blogs/websites! I recommend "DID or OSDD: Does it Matter?", "What are the signs and symptoms of dissociative identity disorder?", and other posts they have about CDDs!

DiscussingDissociation and TraumaDissociation

An Infinite Mind

Sheppard Pratt - Dissociative Identity Disorder - This one is also a favorite of mine, but I don't really see anyone share it around, it's a lesser known one out of the other stuff on this list.

Dissociation FAQs, What are the Dissociative Disorders?, Trauma and Trauma FAQs by the ISST-D

Guidelines for Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder in Adults, Third Revision by the ISST-D

What Are Dissociative Disorders? and the definition of dissociative identity disorder on the APA website

The DSM-5 and The ICD-11

The Merck Manual website

Dissociation: Progress on the Dissociative Disorders. "The official journal of the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD), published between 1988 and 1997."

This entire thing has all sorts of stuff to read. I am only sharing a very small portion of the stuff in this that I really liked, but definitely check out the others! I read a bunch of these, I just wanted to share these main ones.

*Keep in mind the time period! There may be words/terminology used that may be offensive and/or inaccurate in present times.

Vol. 1, No. 1, p. 004-023 -- (1988) Bennett G. Braun; The BASK Model of Dissociation

Vol. No. 2, p. 016-023 -- (1988) Bennett G. Braun; The BASK Model of Dissociation: Part II- Treatment

Beauty After Bruises also has a post going over the BASK model that I recommend

Vol. 1, No. 2, p. 027-033 -- (1988) Jean Franklin; Diagnosis Of Covert And Subtle Forms Of Multiple Personality Disorder Through Dissociative Signs (I absolutely love this and have always wanted to do a deep dive on stuff like this, since my DID is so hidden. If you relate to my experiences, if your DID experiences happen to be incredibly subtle, this might validate you)

Vol. 1, No. 4, p. 047-058 -- (1988) Richard P. Kluft; The Phenomenology and Treatment of Extremely Complex Multiple Personality Disorder One of the only few research papers on polyfragmented DID specifically (also known as complex DID, or MPD as it used to be called).

(1991) Richard P. Kluft; Clinical Presentations of Multiple Personality DIsorder and a webpage that goes along with this

(2006) A New Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder

(2014) Chronic Complex Dissociative Disorders and Borderline Personality Disorder: Disorders of Emotion Dysregulation?

(2014) Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Empirical Overview

(2016) Separating Fact from Fiction: An Empirical Examination of Six Myths About Dissociative Identity Disorder

(2017) Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Biopsychosocial Perspective

(2018) Dissociation Debates: Everything You Know is Wrong

Sc-Hub allows you to access research papers that you might otherwise be unable to access. Of course it won't work for every single research paper ever, but it's extremely reliable.

12ft and Unpaywall (Firefox extension) for bypassing paywalls. Unpaywall in particular is extremely reliable for me, and if you aren't using Firefox, then there's probably a similar extension for whatever browser you use if you just search up "remove paywall" or something in your browser extension search.

RefSeek - Academic search engine.

Listen, I could list research papers all day. Instead, I will link these:

You can check the Wikipedia page for a list of academic databases and search engines. Here are some that are frequently used, and ones I use most often, but you should definitely check out the Wikipedia page for more:

PubMed/National Library of Medicine

ResearchGate

Google Scholar

Semantic Scholar

ScienceDirect

BASE Search

PLOSone

Frontiersin

You can also ask the author(s) for the paper, and most of the time, they'll give it to you for free! Just email them! If you need some sort of script to follow of what to say, literally just anything like "Hello! I was wondering if I could have access to (research paper/link/etc.)? Thank you very much!" that's probably fine.

Also, check the cited sources to easily and quickly find more research papers to read! It's a very easy and quick way to find more research papers, and I do mean it when I say that it is the main way I find research papers to begin with. You read one research paper and then go to the citations and then you find yourself reading 15 more research papers.

I hope this post has educated you all and informed you. Definitely feel free to share further resources, I encourage it!

There is so much more I could have added to this post, but I think this is enough.

Persmo is a word our main host made up when we were like 10 or somtehing?

Basically is a word we have a deep history and emotional attachment

Now that we know about DID we can tell that persmo just means alter lol

Interactive post!

What made you choose your system name and why?

:D ours was inspired in Spider Lily which is also known as "Deathlily". Something that represents death but that is also pretty

- 🌌 Alex/Columbina

System Communication and Journaling

Since we don’t know a lot to do with innerworlds, I focused on the communication part of today’s prompt for summer system education week.

I wanna share some resources I’ve found on system communication and journaling (which I’m a huge advocate for. Out of the many different ways we’ve tried to communicate, journaling has been the most helpful for us.) I also recently got a pre-set-up journal recommended by my therapist, and I’d like to share some of the things in there as well.

Ok, before getting into journaling, here are some general system communication resources I’ve found:

Internal Communication- The Core of Treatment for Dissociative Identity Disorder

Developing Internal Communication - Starting with the Basics

Reducing Amnesia - Developing Co-Consciousness

Integrating ‘new’ parts

Staying Organized with Dissociative Identity Disorder (talks about some different communication methods)

For journaling, my first source is about How to Journal for DID. I’d also like to note some tips:

In free journaling, make sure to put the date, time (if able), and name of the alter journaling. If you’re unsure who’s journaling, put who you might be, who you’re closest to, who you may feel like a mix of, or if you really can’t tell, just put Blurry (or Unknown, if applicable).

Try to write every day. Set a reminder for yourself on your phone or something if it will help, set aside some time to just write.

If you can’t think of anything to write, and prompts don’t help, just start writing. It can be anything, notes, activities, even drawings count. Also beginning to write makes it easier to continue and let ideas flow.

You can write to no one in particular or to the world, but you can also write to other alters. Some conversations can occur back and forth in your journal pages. Even if it takes a few days or weeks for the other alter to see your writing, it can still be helpful.

Read through your journal and re-read it from time to time. Are there entries you don’t remember? Or ones you vaguely remember but feel different reading them as you? You can also write responses to alters asking questions or writing to you.

If you want, feel free to mark out different section for different alters, or a section specifically for talking to others in the system, etc. You can mark them with small post-it notes or bookmarks, so you may know more easily where to look for certain information or notes.

Next I’m gonna share the sections of the journal I got, along with some resources to go with different sections (many are from did-sos.com, because man, it’s a great resource site). Some are relevant to multiple sections, but I’ll only write each one once. I’ll put these below a cut since this post is already turning out to be a little long.

Link to get this journal if you’re interested

Keep reading

I'm feeling so fucking bad for a lot of reasons, one of the reasons will probably read this post

Thanks to multiple factors my blogs will be in an undefined hiatus, there's a lot going on in my life and I need to prioritize myself, not leaving Tumblr because I want to but because I don't have the mind to be social and with them seeing my posts I don't even feel comfortable posting like I was before

I will keep posting in three specific blogs that are the userbox, coining and emojis blogs, also I'll be reposting in the systober blog, outside those blogs I won't be posting, even this blog will be on hiatus

Maybe I'll be answering some asks that appear in my inbox of this blog, if I don't see them bad I will answer them because I like Tumblr at the end of the day so feel free to use the inbox here, but don't expect an answer as it will depend on my mood

Mutuals can DM and chat with me but don't expect fast answers as I'm gonna be pretty inactive on Tumblr thanks to fucking paranoia and other personal problems

So yeah this is a bye... Maybe in December or even the next year I'll be fully back(? I'm not sure at this point, I need to feel safe and with social battery first

I'm gonna leave a small post on all my more active blogs about the hiatus so you can expect them to so closing inbox TT

Idk what more to say... See ya

https://www.tumblr.com/persmo/763259258862174209/it-feels-icky-that-when-youre-scroling-trough-the?source=share wat tags do you keep finding? /genq

Syspunk and systempunk tags

I have them filtered as I deeply hate those tags

💫🧡💗 for the ask game!!!

-🌀

Ask game here

💫 - what's your headcount (if you know)?

More than 1300 but like 70% of them are fragments lol

🧡 - do you source-identify?

Kind of, it depends on many factors because in some things I do source-identify and in other I don't

💗 - do you dress up the body in a certain way when you front, or do you not mind how it's already dressed?

Normally we dress up in ways that we like but some alters do little modifications in the appearance to be more comfortable

Oh yes I like this games

— ୨୧₊˚ SYSTEM ASK GAME ...

positive posting and silly posting because i'm TIRED of syscourse GRAAAHHH EVERYBODY STFU AND BE HAPPY!!!!!

GENERAL QUESTIONS ...

💫 - what's your headcount (if you know)? ⭐ - are you commonly blurry, or do you usually know who's fronting? 🌟 - who are your frequent fronters currently? ✨ - do you have roles (gatekeepers, hosts, etc.)? do you have any non-conventional ones, if so? (ones that aren't commonly used)

FOR FICTIVES ...

❤ - what is your source or sources, and do you like it/them? 🧡 - do you source-identify? 💛 - what are your opinions on sourcemates in general? 💚 - have you ever directly consumed your source? 🩵 - do you think that the fandoms representation of your source character is accurate, or do you dislike it?

FOR ANY ALTER ...

💘 - do you have a "theme song"/a song you think represents you well? 💝 - do you have friends or relationships in general in headspace? 💖 - do you like fronting? why or why not? 💗 - do you dress up the body in a certain way when you front, or do you not mind how it's already dressed? 💞 - how well do you function with your headmates? EXTRA QUESTIONS (JUST FOR FUN) ...

🫂 - do you have a comfort item, song, or anything like that which you enjoy? 👥 - does your system argue over music playing? 👤 - what's your favorite part of headspace, if you have one? 🗣 - do you have a collective interest in anything?

if any of these questions are similar to a certain other ask game it's because i made one of these a while ago ... BEAR WITH ME GUYS. also please send these in to me as well

🗺 - What is your headspace like? (If you have one)

It's a very complex place and it's huge

It's decided by layers but I only have access to one and knowledge about like 5? I'm not super into that because that's not my role and I don't usually go there

In the main later there is a store and many random places that are more specific for system function and some houses

Ask game! >:p

🐎🙄

🐎 - how often do your alters think about the Trojan empire?

Idk what this could mean like a metaphor? But some alters do think about that time to time to have random discussion about the trojan empire lmao

🙄- What's the most annoying thing about being a system?

I'll say probably amnesia, forgetting almost all about yesterday every day it's very annoying because my memory it's pretty shitty and if isn't something my brain see as important I will forget it

I feel silly for doing this

!! ASK GAME !!

I guarantee no accuracy lol

👥 - How many people are in your system

🎨 - What's everyone's favorite colors?

⌚ - Most common fronters?

🧾 - Collective pronouns?

📚 - Everyone's pronouns?

🍼 - Most common age group?

🎞 - Do you have any fictives?

💖 - Are there any romantic relationships in your system?

🔢 - Does anyone have a favorite number?

🧠 - Are any of your alters neurodivergent?

🏳‍🌈 - How many people are LGBTQIA+

👽 - Do you have any non-human alters (including hybrids)?

🏓 - What are some common hobbies?

😋 - What is the most liked food between everyone?

👀 - Current hyperfixations?

📖 - Do you guys have any collective interests?

🗺 - What is your headspace like? (If you have one)

🐕 - Does anyone have a pet?

🏷 - Does your system have a name?

💭 - Does anyone wanna share something about their source? Feel free to ramble, anyone can answer too!

💥 - Most chaotic group?

😇 - Any demon/angel/god alters?

👴 - Who is the oldest?

🏥 - Are you diagnosed? If yes, was it difficult? If not, do you want one & why or why not?

🏡 - What is your system dynamic (ex, family, friends, complete strangers, etc)

🔂- How do you keep track of your system? (Members, switches, etc)

🐣- Any childhood things that should've tipped you off to being a system?

👍- Do you like being a system?

📤- Do you know any systems IRL?

💕- Do you prefer in-system dating or out-of-system dating?

🙄- What's the most annoying thing about being a system?

❔ - How bad is your amnesia?

💬- Best quote from an alter?

🎮- Do alters have separate accounts for games or do you all share an account?

⬇️ Joke ones ⬇️

🐎 - how often do your alters think about the Trojan empire?

🔮 - do you believe in gravity?

I just deleted all the asks I've got about the systober from here and put it in the systober blog, so if you don't find it that's the reason

Random thing, I made a systober archive blog so if you wanna follow it so you can see all the cool stuff under the systober tag in a more organized and cool way

@systober

Just so you know people doing the systober, I actually go through the tags once in a while and like all the posts I see with it, so if I don't like your systober day it's because you didn't use the tag, that simple

Also I don't have a problem being tagged in your days, actually makes my work of liking al systober content easier lmao

Sorry but all the post with the syspunk tag are gonna be ignored xp

As the one who made the list, yeah bro

The systober it's just for fun, if you want to skip a day, don't do it, do it late, just specific days go ahead

The activity is just for fun and not to be seen as an obligation

We're super busy and stressed over irl shit rn but we wanna do systober so badddd

Yall think it'd be okay if we did it late? /genq

-🧟‍♂️ (He/him)

It feels icky that when you're scroling trough the tag you made (#systober) you find a filtered tag :(

Look at our PS, Grayson so cute I love him <3

ִ ⠀ׂ ♰ Systober Day 1

⸺ Main host ִ ⠀ׂ

Our main host is Grayson! ( @dpdazai )

Credits to @persmo, they made systober this year so go follow them!!

Our syscourse code

Just to make sure, we're open about asks about this and maybe some debates, but if you're not respectful we're just gonna delete it, and if you feel our stances bad or shit like that you're free to block us and unfollow our sideblogs, we're just doing this because we feel like and so the answers are gonna have some more in depth explantion

This is not meant to be a place for attacks, any kind of comment about that would be deleted and reblogs doing with that kind of thing I will block the account without hessitation

Also, endos DNI, don't care if this is tagged with the syscourse tag, it's just because it has to do not because I want you to interact, I gift free blocks yk?

[Syscourse code link]

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

🤚(NA) - I believe in it but am against it / 👇(NU) - Other

To dive a bit better I do believe in the possibility of experiencing something similar to plurality without the disorder, does this means it would be the same kind of plurality than systems with CDD? Of course not because they're not the same thing, even some people with the disorder don't consider themselves plurals/systems so saying is an only CDD experience it's kinda wonky

I don't believe there's such a thing like "endo system" because system in the context of plurality has been use to explain the CDDs so using it for another types of internal experience that has nothing to do is straight up ableist

I'm also against the endo community because of the way the present and handle thing

It's more like, shit the non CDD "plurals" ruined themselves LMAO /vneg

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

💛 (TC) - I think it is cultural appropriation, and other terms are better

Like if you practice that for real good use it, but many people that use the term tulpa is straight up appropriation and they can find better terms for that :/

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📘(NETR) - People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

It's a big it depends case yk? Understanding yourself it's hard

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔸(NSP) - Shared spaces are good but there should also be specific spaces for disordered, traumagenic, endogenic, etc spaces.

It's good to have shared spaces even outside the plural things, but it's' also important to have specific spaces for the ones who don't want to be in more general ones or want to be in a more specific side if they need to, just like any other space it's good to have the general one and the specific one and respect each others boundaries

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🟢(TXU) - Not unless the person themselves considers their plurality transX

I believe that transX or trans-ID as I called them is one of the worst shits and I can't believe it's possible to be "transplural" in any kind of way, so yeah don't compare something that can happen with a shit thing

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌑(DTNO) - No

No need to explain myself lol

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟦(CNNU) - Other

It has been brought to my attention that people don't really understand what a closed culture is and it's really annoying me, they're policing something they don't fully understand and most of the time is for moral superiority or social pressure especially in the system community which is fucking toxic and shit

Names that are really closed it's not ok to keep them if not given as their disrespectful to the culture, but even with some cultures being close that doesn't mean the names will be closed

So it's more of depends on the name context rather than "the name is from x culture?"

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay / ☘️(SDXNU) - Other

I don't believe one can diagnose oneself as the disorders are very complex and has a lot of things going on, specially when a lot of things go an overlap with symptoms and conduct behavior on the individual, not just when talking about complex dissociative disorders but for any kind of mental health disorder

Just like physical things you can't diagnosis with some body sickness, sure you can have your suspicions and recognize you might have something based on what you know about it but you can be correct or incorrect about your suspicions, the same happens here

I don't believe you can diagnosis yourself, I believe you can self recognize to have a complex dissociative disorder but using medical diagnosis names while it's just a suspicions I think is wrong, doing enough research like a very good one that takes you several reading months I see that the recognizement of the symptoms can be explained by the system phenomena, but don't claim a specific type of CDD please, that's something only the professionals can do

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

🗯(IDN) I do not want to have an opinion on this

I'm still forming my opinion on this one and therefore I don't want to be in the opinion discourse about this

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥖(TSH) - I think it's harmful / 🥧(TSA) - I am against it

This is harmful and ableist as shit, why do people even think this is ok to use? Wtf 💀

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🦎(ESD) - If they are diagnosed / 🐲 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

If they have the diagnosis of a complex dissociative disorder they can use the term system just for describing the alters, if they're gonna describe another part that isn't dissociated and therefore a symptom of the disorder use another term, just like using two different terms at the same time to be respectful with the disorder, yk what I mean?

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🐛 (EAD) - If they are diagnosed / 🐝 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

Is the same explanation as the above just change system with alters and that, doesn't have lot of backup explaining outside that

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐬(XEN) - I don't understand their purpose

I genuinely can't understand them

So yea that's all, probably I'll make a blog just for talking about syscourse if I feel like or if I have a lot of asks surrounding this post in my inbox because I don't want this to be a syscourse blog because I'm honestly stressed as fuck when it comes to the stupidity of syscourse talking

That's all byeeee