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APPARENTLY Apollo would have been addressed more in the earlier Epic drafts (he didn't get more lines but he is honored in a song)
If the Ismarus raiding arc was kept, I wonder if this would be the beef Apollo would have with Odysseus in God Games. But then his priest (Maron) already forgave Odysseus so there's no point for Apollo to be mad anymore.
Anyways, I can see Apollo fighting with Jorge about the removal of this song.
Apollo: Keep that song. Keep it!
Jorge: But it'll make the musical too long!
Apollo: I don't care, you have to keep it! It has my name in it!
Jorge: No, I'm not keeping it!
Apollo: >:( *gives Jorge music block for a month*
*gay gasp* It's my time. Okay, so, the Thunder Saga. All of the songs in said saga are great! They're all important and we all love because OH MA GOD are those songs amazing. But Scylla's song has a lot of popularity. Why? Well, it kinda ties the whole saga together and convinces Odysseus that he really needs to be a monster to get back to Penelope. The fact that this is all for Penelope drives him on. This is also reminded to him in Thunder Bringer so that he can make the important decision. (I wish I had someone that devoted to me-) Speaking of Thunder Bringer, can we talk about how Eurylocus and his crew literally stabbed Odyssues less than ten minutes before Zeus comes down? And how he killed the cow? I know he's tired, but the fact that he basically asks for his life from the man whom he just stabbed- But I'll lay off. Anygays, back to the topic. Scylla is also slightly pushing Odysseus further into making the hard decision to sacrifice his crew, reminding him of the monster inside him and how he must bring it out to get home to his darling wife. It is extremely hard for him to give up the lives of his crew, but he needs to get back to his wife and son, no matter the cost. The first lyric is LITERALLY him convincing himself that this needs to be done. That this is his only way to get back home! "They lair of Scylla...this is our only way home..." He is still trying to cope with the fact that he must sacrifice his crew, his friends, to get back to Ithaca. Also, the song is just a banger?! All of them are, but still. The fact that Scylla is actively manipulating Odysseus into killing his men is awesome to experience. Jay how are you so good at this?!
Scylla: I'm hungry...ah, a depressed captain who knows he has to pay to sail through my waters and is going through his character arc! Perfect. *ehem* Deep down~" Seriously, this song is so deep and portrays how Odysseus is finally deciding to get. shit. done. An animatic that shows this really well:
And Odysseus already knows that the creatures are attracted to light, which leads up to Mutiny oh so dramatically. *laughs* I gave you a whole entire crappy essay about it. Hope this helps :3 Also, the music slap. Thunder Bringer and Scylla are favorites for a reason, and it ain't just lore. Have a wonderful day, and may it be Epic.
So, maybe you can explain it, but why does everyone seem so enamored with the song Scylla? Like, don't get me wrong, it's a good song, I just don't...get it?
I’m not really sure! I just really think it’s neat! I’m not sure there is one specific thing that draws everyone to it? But a very pretty voice and a sad story are definite draws!!
Still Obsessed with Epic. Honestly I love the newest Album and the song Mutiny really gets me. Such a talented lead it's insane how much emotion can be put into music.
LMAOOO
That's it. That's basically what the song is about.
odysseus: hey don’t open that bag
eurylochus: *opens the bag*
most of the crew: *fucking dies*
odysseus: hey don’t kill that cow
eurylochus: *kills the cow*
the reat of the crew: *fucking dies*
if i had a nickel for every time eurylochus didn’t listen to odysseus and in the process killed the crew i’d have two nickels. which isn’t very much but it’s weird that it happened twice.
(and OF COURSE it was the same guy. first time i made this post everyone reblogged with ‘you know it was the same guys too’ AND IT WAS)
I-
Holy shit
I WISH Jorge had referenced the part of Luck Runs Out where Odysseus tells Eurylochus to be quiet because I feel like that’s an element missing from a lot of Eurylochus interpretations.
“I need you to always be devout and comply with this /Or we'll all die in this” is important because Eurylochus fails to do it by questioning Odysseus’ words (the bag is NOT treasure, it’s storm) and opening the wind bag and his actions lead directly to the facilitation of the death of most of the crew. I hesitate to say he’s to blame because, well, Poseidon is taking revenge due to Odysseus’ decision, but Eurylochus handed him means and perfect opportunity to do it.
So, after that, Eurylochus obeys everything Odysseus says to do. He takes men to explore Circe’s island. He stays put instead of running when Odysseus goes to rescue him. He follows intl the Underworld despite the fact that “hey this witch is helping us now by sending us to death’s realm, this is definitely not a trick” probably raised some questions. He doesn’t (or at least we don’t see) stray or talk to the souls in the Underworld even though Odysseus ends up doing it. He traps and kills the sirens.
He lights and gives out six torches.
So, if devotion to Odysseus wasn’t enough to save them? If Odysseusnis now using that devotion and trust to get them killed as long as he gets to make it home to his wife? What is he meant to do now?
Eurylochus doesn’t sound… fully there, during the second half of Mutiny. Whether there was divine intervention pushing him or madness or simply the pain of it all, he’s not acting rationally. He just saw six of his trusted men brutally murdered, asks Odysseus to lie and say it was a trick, and can’t even kill him when the truth comes out. Odysseus’ wounds are bandaged! (I’m not sure that he doesn’t actually know where Helios’ statue is from btw, both due to the melody and bc it seems outrageous)
We’re all talking about Odysseus pleading for Eurylochus to stop before killing the cows, but Eurylochus is pleading too. He asks how much longer is he expected to suffer, to push through doubt, to follow the orders. And Odysseus’ first plea is “I need to get home” (later “we can get home”). Let’s not forget Odysseus is selfish and Eurylochus knows that, maybe even loves that, but he’s not just hungry, he’s tired.
When Polites gets the location of the sheep cave from the lotus eaters and takes the men to it, he leads several of them to death and himself to his doom. When Eurylochus stumbles upon the cows, does he remember that? Does he deliberately invoke it?
Killing the cows isn’t about the hunger, not really. It’s about the devotion that was asked of him, the price he paid to learn that lesson, and the pain that silence put him through anyway.
MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (Dir: Frank Lloyd, 1935).
A lavish Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer adaptation of the bestselling historic novel by Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall.
Mutiny on the Bounty recounts the now famous events of the 1789 mutiny when, on a mission to Tahiti to collect breadfruit, the crew of the HMS Bounty, lead by First Officer Fletcher Christian (Clark Gable) revolt against the tyrannical Captain William Bligh (Charles Laughton). Putting him to sea in a rowboat, the crew pilot the ship to the lush paradise of the Pitcairn Islands.
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That's it. That's basically what the song is about.
So. Um. I need to calm down
The thunder saga of epic is making me fucking salivate. I love it, I am fucking feral about it. Mutiny and Thunder bringer are going to be my loop songs for the next forever and a half. I am officially not okay in the best way.
Whilst Eurylochus isn't as faultless as my baby Polites, doesn't mean everything was his fault. Did he open the wind bag? Yes, yes, he did. Did that directly lead to poseidon killing of the crew? No, it didn't. Poseidon would have taken revenge on Odysseus and his crew either way, not just because they were pushed further away from Ithaca. As observed in the snippet of 'get in the water', we've seen that poseidon is more than capable of appearing anywhere in the ocean. Ergo, he was going to kill them all anyway, Eurylochus just spiced things up by changing the location they died. Furthermore, he wasn't wrong to mutiny against Odysseus, and realistically, he wasn't the one fully at fault for zeus and 'thunder bringer'. Now, I'm not saying he's faultless because most of the blame definitely falls onto him. What I am saying is that he was tired and hungry, and he'd given up. Think about it, he'd probably not eaten in days if he stopped off at the first island he came across and killed the sun God's cows. He'd just mutinied against his captain, his friend. Suddenly, the lives of all the crew rest souly on his shoulders. And he's just so tired. Tired of Odysseus ignoring his concerns, tired of seeing his friends and comrades die, tired of seeing Odysseus change for the worst and tired of being hungry. He wasn't in the right state of mind, he'd completely given up by the second half of 'mutiny'. During 'thunder bringer' he doesn't sound angry or even very betrayed. He just sounds apathetic, he's entirely given up at this point. He wants it all to end, and I can't say I blame him. What I'm saying is that, in this situation, would anyone have done anything different? With several gods already looming over you, wishing for your destruction, being so tired and so hungry, and having seen so many of your friends die would anyone really have left those cows?
Tldr; Eurylochus isn't entirely at fault, nobody is entirely at fault. All the actions taken are understandable. They are just humans and they make mistakes.
Kuervo experiencing the genuine fear of death from another human for the first time ever 👍
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Thunder Saga: Mutiny
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Sketch & Base Lining:
Okay so, personally, I think that in some way it could be true that he figured it out and that Ody knew before Eury confessed it to him.
But also in the "Scylla" song as Eury says "I've opened the windbag while you were asleep" we can hear like a sudden "dun" sound, as if this information hit Ody in some way
Still, it could be like the person wrote that he could knew, but it just hurts to hear it outloud.
Anyway, what I think is interesting in this is that is that I don't think Ody would be as shocked. We can hear it in his voice as he commands Eury to light up the torches. Like.. this unbotherness in it is kinda.. eerie. Also his lack of response to Eury's apology- I don't think it's caused by the shock of finding out. I think it's caused by shame.
Here Eury is apologising to him, not aware of what's about to come. Imagine the kind of pressure and shame, the stress inside Ody's head that he's bottling up, trying to numb himself out to be able to complete his sacrificial plan. "Leaving them feeling betrayed" doesn't point to Eury's mistake. It points to Ody's secret plan and the guilt that he's feeling deep down yet repressing 'cause "what if I'm the one who killed you, every time I caved to guilt" and also "If I became a monster and threw that guilt away" (Monster song)
Which is kinda ironic because in this song it indicates that Ody is willing to change his ways and become less remorseful/merciful to save his men and himself ("If I became the monster to everyone but us") yet as the time passes he becomes more and more desperete to get HIMSELF back home, to his wife and son. (" Please don't do this (...) I need to get home"- Mutiny)
He's so desperate that he's willing to even turn against his own crew members, sacrificing few for the "greater good". ("You miss your wife so bad, you trade the lives of your own crew" and "I am not letting you get in my way" - also Mutiny)
Tbh I have a lot more to talk about here but it would be going off topic haha
I just love analysing lyrics of the songs in this musical as it's so fascinating to see these seemingly harmless phrases starting to make a whole picture as you put them together- like a puzzle! The way the lyrics are so open for many many interpretations is such a cool thing. Jorge is a lyrics genius <3
Personally I think Ody already knew Eury opened the wind bag, initially bc there's just something about his tone and the way Ody cut him off in the beginning of Puppeteer that felt... deliberate? But it's also mirrored in Scylla and Mutiny
It's just a little thing in Scylla but when Eury first tries to confess in Puppeteer Ody gives him a task instead "go check out the island" vs "light up six torches" instead of talking about it, like he's avoiding it
But more prominently is "whatever you have to say can wait some more of this I'm sure" sounds to me like "don't tell me. If you don't tell me we can pretend I don't know and I don't have to do anything about it. Lie to me (by omission)" vs Eury's "tell me you did not know that would happen" and "then you have forced my hand" while said in anger can also totally be ready similarly. I've already seen others talk about how he was basically begging Ody to lie to him so like, "lie to me so I don't have to do anything about it" again
(whether or not Eury would've been able to play along, assuming he did want that, I don't know, and ig we'll never know)
Also Ody's total lack of reaction. Sure Scylla had "leaving them feeling betrayed" but having it said out loud could still sting. It could also be a "I thought we had a deal to not talking about that" type betrayal.
Anyway many thoughts head full
I just realized smth heartbreaking- also to everyone who is hasn't listened to Epic the musical...go listen to it all in order then read this...
EUROLYCHUS WAS SO UPSET AT ODYSSEUS IN MUTINY BECAUSE HE THOUGHT ODYSSEUS WAS THE MAN HE WASNT. ODYSSEUS ROUTINELY MAKES THE RIGHT CALLS AND EUROLYCHUS OFTEN DOUBTS HIM OR FUCKS IT UP. EUROLYCHUS EVEN SUGGESTS ABANDONING THE MEN WITH CIRCE, AND ODYSSEUS INSISTS ON GETTING THEM BACK. SO WHEN ODYSSEUS WAS WILLING TO SACRIFICE 6 MEN AND DID SO IN SECRET, EUROLYCHUS'S PERCEPTION OF HIS 'BROTHER' WAS SHATTERED. AND THAT'S WHY HE WAS WILLING TO TURN ON HIM. THE MAN LEADING THEM WASNT THE MAN WHO HAD BEEN HIS 'BROTHER'. STOP IT I AM IN AGONY-
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