Most Of The Backlash Towards Jonsa Is Because Its A Sansa Ship That Elevates Her Politically And Narratively.

Most of the backlash towards Jonsa is because it’s a Sansa ship that elevates her politically and narratively. An Arya’s stan said that Sansa falling in love with a handsome young man would ruin her arc because her arc is most definitely not about agency. No no no, Sansa’s arc is about a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her. Sansa is always depicted by the Jonsa fandom as a female characters having the choice, being on equal ground, in her relationship with Jon. She is not a frightened little girl forced to be the nurse/emotional punching bag of an abusive, misogynistic, and bigoted man wronged by everyone here, so it must definitely rub them in the wrong way. There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

You're right in that Jonsa as a ship definitely considers Sansa Stark. I'd argue it considers only Sansa Stark.

However, that's not all it does.

My backlash against Jonsa is because:

Jonsa completely ignores the agency/tastes/preferences/and characterization of Jon Snow to put Sansa on "equal ground" in a romantic relationship with Jon. Jonsa rewrites Jon to be a totally different character, a support character for Sansa Stark: the central character of A Song of Sansa and Sansa.

Jonsa turns Jon Snow into a garbage human in deeply misogynistic ways and completely disregards his arc all in the interest of securing Sansa's safety/desires and elevating her character. Jon is turned in Sansa Stark's Prop Prince lapdog, using his penis to sexually abuse, use, manipulate, and dispose of -- you guessed it! Dany.

And speaking of, Dany is often turned into the favourite villainous punching bag by Jonsas to play as the Disney (often braindead) evil queen to the Jonsa princess Sansa and her bodyguard husband prince Jon Snow, essentially flattening ASOIAF into a cardboard cutout fanfic fairytale Jonsas try to push as actual ASOIAF speculation.

You talk of "a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her" yet Jonsas have discounted a 13-year old Dany being sold to and raped by a 30-year old Drogo because Dany ended up falling in love with him. If that's not bad enough, Jonsas ship a late-40s to 50 year old Euron Greyjoy with a 16-year old Dany because ViLlAin rOmAnCe. The hypocrisy is giving me a bit of a headache, sorry.

Jonsa the ship certainly will punish Arya for not being feminine or classist enough -- she's blamed for Mycah's death because she was playing with a boy below her class. She's said to not qualify for being a Lady or Lady of Winterfell because she's not ladylike enough or not "class conscious" enough. She's eliminated from any romance arc or having children of her own because she's not conventionally feminine. Jonsas punish Dany for her Targaryen bloodline, claiming Dany is a "blood purist" when she was overjoyed to carry her half-Dothraki baby and dreamed of his birth; has a Tyroshi lover; married a Meereenese noble. Where are Dany's blood purist thoughts again? That Targaryens have "madness" in her blood.

Some alarming views on femininity.

There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

Nice strawman. Nobody is disliking Sansa because she's feminine or because she was dreamy. There are other feminine, girly characters in this series who don't draw the ire Sansa does. Those who dislike Sansa dislike her because of some character traits she demonstrates. The bullying behaviours she demonstrated toward Arya, the lack of concern she demonstrated toward Arya, the classism with which she viewed the world (looking down on Jon for his bastardy, looking down on bastards and smallfolk in general, looking down on Mycah). Sansa does hold to Westerosi's prejudices, which can be hard to take at times. These are canonical traits Sansa has.

Sansa is also fairly superficial sometimes and doesn't demonstrate a great care or concern for the people (ie. planning a gigantic feast while the country starves) so it's frustrating when Sansa stans and Jonsas try to push Sansa as the ideal, caring queen and leader while bashing Dany, Jon, and others to prop Sansa up. Characters who have real leadership experience in a series where leadership is meant to be difficult and truly explored.

And just a reminder: Jon, Arya, Bran, and Rickon grew up in the same home Sansa did, just as sheltered. They've been facing how harsh the real world has been from day 1.

Remembering this post got me thinking about a perspective in which it would make Daenerys clearly The Younger Queen.

Cersei once drew herself as flying behind Rhaegar on a dragon, but Daenerys took Rhaegar's place and the dragon is hers to ride by herself.

Cersei always wanted to have the power of the man/the King, but she can barely even conceptualise it as such. Daenerys is growing into anything she could barely imagine a continent away, and by the time she shows up she would have already "taken" all (she's THE dragon, THE dragon rider, THE Queen, all actualised in the prime of her life while she's even also still THE beauty, while Cersei wasted even that in long years of chasing scraps and despicable men giving her little in that exchange). And Cersei hardly had any of that in a dream.

Oh so this is the interview that made Robert's stans crazy? Sorry folks, but grrm is right.

Robert was just a warmonger who was bitter about losing a "girlfriend". He only cared about himself and his ego.

Ah, i love how grrm is not blaming Rhaegar and Lyanna for the war lol

A song of Ice and Fire fan art: Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.

Art by Teilku

Update of this post ↳ "Typical Targaryen features are silvery-gold or platinum hair and striking lilac or indigo or violet eyes, and is a famous proclamation of their heritage."

guys, help a jonsa out

Jonsas want to know why Jonsa is so hated.

Jonsas answer.

Jonsas may want to consider the following if they're truly looking for genuine answers:

They claim anti Sansa bias from Jonsa antis but hammer home their Dany hate and harp on Dany as a "slaver" and Dany as a "white savior", going so far as to call Dany fans "slaver apologists" (who are the ones criticizing Dany for burning 163 slavers and saying she's disrespecting slavers' "customs"?) -- maybe consider your own Dany hate first, Jonsas:

Do Jonsas ever consider GRRM refuting Dany as a white savior or saying how Dany wants equality?

They come up with takes like the nonsensical Pol!Jon which turns Jon into a garbage human abuser scumbag and Dany into a brain dead sex bot tyrant whose favourite food is baby blood. Sansa though? Pure as she is pretty.

Arya gets to either be Sansa's bloodthirsty enemy or in service to Sansa (as Sansa's personal bodyguard, assassin, executioner, or new direwolf warned into Nymeria). It's either/or, guys.

Meanwhile, Rickon gets to be dead while Bran is just... over there... away from the North (but in full support of Queen Sansa of the independent Northern kingdoms of course, hands off but always ready to help)

Jonsas say they want good things for Sansa but there's no consideration for the other side of their ship, Jon, or what he wants (rather, they claim his own words and feelings on the matter mean nothing when it comes to what he wants). Jon wants a woman who is a distinctly non-traditionally feminine woman (and I imagine much less one who takes after the woman who was the main source of misery for Jon when he was growing up at Winterfell) -- but that can't at all be a reason why the fandom finds Jonsa to be implausible no, it just comes down to Sansa hate.

I wonder if Jonsas have ever considered that not all who think Jonsa is implausible are Dany fans/Jonerys/or Jonarya shippers, or believe in a happy ending for these characters or any characters or these couples or any couples and just think Jonsa is a desperate reaching crackship

Why is Jonsa essential to Sansa having a happy outcome? And why is it plausible Sansa (especially only Sansa or only the approved Starks) get a happy-ending Disney-esque storyline?

Jonsas, we don't need assumptions. Your posts speak for themselves. And speaking of...

Only to be combatted by the terrible, disapproving, biased fandom who obviously are only doing so because they hate Sansa... :(

Gee, I wonder why Jonsa isn't accepted by the fandom :)