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Re-watching HOTD 1x10 has made me realize just how incredibly OOC Daemon choking Rhaenyra is. Like wow! I remember it being bad but not THIS bad. Do I think Daemon is a saint? No, absolutly not, but he would never harm Rhaenyra. The writers just hate him and are trying to get the audience to hate him to, a problem that only gets worse in season 2. Again, Daemon is by no means a good person, but he is certainly not an abusive husband, and, despite what the hotd writers want you to believe, he would never betray Rhaenyra.

One thing I think is really important when it comes to understanding Daemon and Rhaenyra's relashionship is the fact that Daemon doesn't show his love through words, he does it through actions. Quite frankly I'm not sure he knows how to verbally express love. He can't support her emotionally, but he can still do other things for her.I think this is shown really well in season 1 episode 10 and season 2 episode 1.

When Rhaenyra learns of her father's death and the Green's usurpation of her throne, she goes into premature labor almost imediatly, so there is no time for her to start planning her bid for the Iron Throne. Daemon takes the liberty of starting to plan the beginings of the war, and in doing so leaves Rhaenyra to endure childbirth alone. There is a very memorable scene in which Daemon schemes with Rhaenyra's small council at the Painted Table, whilst Rhaenyra screams in the background, even calling out for him at one point. Daemon makes no move to go to her and simply continues to plan a war, at least until Jace informs him that Rhaenyra doesn't want anything done until she is able to join them. Even then he does not join her. He goes to threaten two members of the Kingsguard with Caraxes, so as to ascertain that they will remain loyal to Rhaenyra. Now, when I first watched this scene, I, and probably everyone else, assumed that Daemon was taking the opportunity provided by Rhaenyra's premature labor to seize control and have the war start on his terms. Rhaenyra also seems to believe this, as when Jace inquires about Daemon's wherabouts she says "Off planning his war." However, upon rewatching that episode, I think that think that Daemon refusing to attend Rhaenyra in her labors and instead planning a war for her, is actually his way of trying to help her. Daemon is thinking that, while he does not know how to comfort her, and hold her hand, and help her through childbirth, he does know a thing or two about war. In his mind, he's essentially saying something along the lines of "I cannot help you there, so let me remain here where I am of use to you," because, as I said above, Daemon expresses love through his actions, not his words. I think at least part of him wants to be there for Rhaenyra, but he just doesn't know what he can say or do that would help her, so he focuses on what he can do: getting the council together and starting to plan, so that when Rhaenyra comes back he can show her that he's done something of use.

Then, when the child is stillborn, Rhaenyra once again needs comfort and reassurance that Daemon just does not know how to give. There is a scene of them, standing in front of their daughter’s funeral pyre, and you can see him give her this very concerned look, and kind of glance over like he wants to say something, but he doesn't, because he just does not know what he's supposed to say. Then Ser Erryk (or maybe Arryk, I can never remember,) arrives with the crown, and Daemon is relieved because he might not be able to offer her kind words, but he can be the one to put that crown on her head. A gesture that is even more meaningful if you consider how much he wants that crown. By being the one to physically place the crown on her head, he is telling her "I'm sorry that I can't be there for you, but I love you and I will support you." Then they go back to the war council, and Rhaenyra is asking about their numbers, and Daemon is the first one to speak. He starts talking almost before Rhaenyra finishes asking, he seems almost eager (even though their numbers are nothing to be eager about,) because she's finally asking him for something he can give. This is his chance to show her that, even if he cannot be there for her emotionally, he can still do this. He can organize this war and help her win, and do damn good job of it. This is really how Daemon says "I love you."

Then fast forward to 2x01, and Luke is dead, and Rhaenyra once again needs a level of emotional support he's simply not equipped to give, only this time, there is nothing else he can do to help her. He tries to convince Rhaenys to fly to Kings Landing, but she refuses, so he can do nothing except sit around, helplessly, while Rhaenyra mourns. Then she comes back, and he tries to be supportive, by asking if she "found what she needed," but she doesn't answer him. Instead, she declares that she "wants Aemond Targaryen." In Daemon's mind, she has essentially told him that to comfort her, he must have Aemond killed. So he uses his contacts in the City Watch to arrange it. I think one of the reasons he gave Blood and Cheese such vague instructions as to what to do if they can't find Aemond, is because he needs something for Rhaenyra. He can't be helpless any more. (Note: I am in no way condoning Blood and Cheese, or saying that Daemon did the right thing. I am simply trying to understand him and his choices better. Please dont come after me.) But then it fails. Catastrophically. And not only has Daemon failed to help Rhaenyra, he has made things much worse.

So he goes to Harrenhal to get the support of the river lords. But, so far, he has achieved next to nothing. (Obviously he's been busy with the hauntings and home renovations.) But he will not admit to Rhaenyra that he's failing miserably, so he ignores her ravens and sends none of his own. (I don't believe any of the bullshit Ryan Condal is trying to spin about him betraying her.) Because he will not go back to Dragonstone empty handed. Because to Daemon, that would be like telling Rhaenyra he doesn't love her anymore.

I cannot believe that Daemon hasn't had a single vision with adult Rhaenyra. Imagine something similar to the second one with Viserys from episode 6, only this is with Rhaenyra after (or even during) Visenya's birth. (For non book readers: Visenya is the stillborn daughter born on Dragonstone in 1x10. Her name is given in the books but never in the show.) I would have loved to see him realize that he should have been with her and try to comfort her, and I also would have liked to see a bit more of his grief for his daughter. It could also have been a great way to explore his guilt about leaving her to deal with her grief alone, and would set the stage for their reunion and Daemon potentially apologizing to Rhaenyra. They definitley could have cut the visions of him fucking his mother and cosplaying as Aemond in favor of something that would actually help develop his character and his relationship with Rhaenyra. All in all, the visions have a lot of wasted potential, but I'm still holding out hope for next weeks episode.

So I’ve just learned that people are saying that the fact that Daemon wasn’t there while Rhaenyra was giving birth to Visenya means that he wasn’t there when Aegon and Viserys were born either.

This is just baffling to me because the first half of episode 10 was absolutely full of proof that he actually was there for both.

When Jace asks where Daemon is, he seems angry that he isn’t with Rhaenyra. If Daemon hadn’t been present with Aegon and Viserys, then Jace would presumably be used to him not being with Rhaenyra while she’s in labor. But that’s not what we see. What we see is Jace being pissed that Daemon is not there. Now I’m sure that there will be people who say “Oh he just expects Daemon to be there since he’s Rhaenyra’s husband” but Rhaenyra’s first husband, Laenor, wasn’t at Joffrey’s birth and probably (although this isn’t confirmed) wasn’t at Jace or Luke’s birth either, so Jace wouldn’t expect Daemon to be there unless he had been there in the past.

Rhaenyra also seems to expect him to be there, seeing as she literally calls out for him. If there’s one thing we know about Rhaenyra, it’s that she’s proud. If she doesn’t think her husband will be with her while she gives birth, then she’s not going to scream for him for all the castle to hear. But she does. At this point she’s lived in Dragonstone for 6 years, so she probably knows that her screams will echo through the whole castle. The fact that she calls out for Daemon, even though she knows that literally everyone in the castle will hear her, means that she expects him to heed her call, and expectation she would not have if he hadn’t been with her for their previous children.

Even the Small Council seems a bit surprised that he’s not with Rhaenyra. Every time she screams, they kinda look at him like they think he’s about to leave and go to her. Obviously most of them would not have been on Dragonstone when Aegon and Viserys were born, but they still seem to have heard rumors about Daemon staying with Rhaenyra, because they clearly expect him to react in some way. Remember, in HotD/GoT its pretty uncommon for the father have anything to do with the birth, much less be there, so the fact that they seem to expect it from Daemon suggests his presence at Aegon and Viserys' births.

Obviously, Daemon is not present for Visenya's birth (my analysis of that is here) but using that to say that he's a bad father and husband, and then trying to justify it by saying that he wasn't there when his sons were born (when all evidence points to the contrary,) is doing his character a disservice. I'm not saying that him leaving Rhaenyra alone while she was in labor was the right thing to do, but I think people need to remember that the circumstances during which Visenya was born are extremely different from the circumstances when Aegon and Viserys are born. Stop inventing things to demonize Daemon. We get enough of that from Ryan Condal.

So many TG stans talking bout how TG gets the shorter stick of everything and the producers do everything in their power to make TB look good when it's literally the other way around

Did you know that in the books Alicent is only 10-11 years younger than Viserys? They don't have that 30-40 year gap they have in the show

Did you know that Alicent was a manipulative cunt in the books and had beef with 9 year old Rhaenyra when she was 18?

Did you know that Aegon wasn't a puppet of his grandfather and actually wanted the throne and when he was king he would ignore their advice and do his own thing?

Lucerys was 5 when he took Aemonds eye, who was 10 at the time

But sure, they changed everything to make TB look nice

I have the theory that TG doesn't know basic biology, because they bitch and moan about Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey being bastards

Yes, there is a possibility that they might be bastards, but it has always been a 50/50 thing you know why? Because Aemma is an Arryn, and with a quick internet search you can see that Aemma's father had dark hair and if you know how genetics works it mean that there is a possibility that Laenor's sons are his

I actually like Otto and Alicent's scenes it shows how abusive relationships can be, he's a manipulative asshole, and that's how manipulators and abusers keep you on your toes, so that if someone says "Hey that's not really good" you go "yeah, but he did this good thing for me, so he's really not that bad"

Or maybe that's how I see it because it reminds me of my relationship with my bio mom

but yeah, they should've given my man Daemon more scenes with his daughters

As someone else said, they should've made the season 20 episodes, it would've given more time to develop the characters more, and the "everyone is bad" shit would've had more weight

I'm so angry...

This guy literally pimped his daughter... and the show has the nerve to sometimes having tender scenes between these two.

On the other hand, Daemon, who hugs his daughters, no that was too much to ask... He must be a bad father for the writers !

Although canonically, compared to Fire and Blood, Daemon has always been a good father, including to his daughters, in addition to a man generally very attached to his family.

Not to mention that the writers have completely kept Daemon's basic attachment to his family, as the main characteristic of the character in the HOTD adaptation, having been presented / shown to us from the first episode !

Once again, Otto, one of the villains and antagonists of the story, book and show, who in this adaptation pimps his daughter in addition to usurping as in Fire and Blood the legitimate heir to the throne out of pure greed for power and misogyny, starting a war in the process, it's OK for him to show affection for his family !?

But not Daemon, the ultimate gray character of dance and Fire and Blood in general, who also remains a gray character in HOTD whose main characteristic shown in the first episodes of this sho is his love for his family ?!

(They cut to the three-way hug, the moment where he takes the girls away from the traumatic spectacle of Laena giving birth, Daemon with his daughters looking at Laena's body while holding Rhaena's hand, Daemon telling Rhaenyra that he wants something else for his daughters in episode 7, Daemon taking Baela away from the fight in episode 8...)

We're really walking on our heads at this point...

If that's not further proof of the writers' pro-greens favoritism, I don't know what is.

If daemyra is creepy, rhaenycole (or however it's called), should be equally, if not twice as creepy

Because on one hand we have a man who spent most of his time out of kings landing, kissed his teenage niece (who was of marriable age) on one of the scarce times he visited, who he didn't sleep with until she was an adult woman with already grown children (not saying they were adults)

And on the other we have a man, of the same age as her uncle, who was 24/7 with her, or at least was supposed to, since she was like 14 and ended up sleeping with her (when she was of marriable age) while she was drunk and then 20 years later still holds a grudge against her because she didn't run away with him after that

Let's be honest here, if Cole was interpreted by an actor who isn't considered attractive by beauty standards and was older, a lot of more people would call him creepy, but no, the role of the "creepy man" was given to Matt Smith, who is 11 years older than Fabien and isn't considered attractive by beauty standards (I find him attractive)