If You Want A Loving Villain Couple Just Do What Everyone Else Is Doing, Ship Golden Goose.

If you want a loving villain couple just do what everyone else is doing, ship Golden Goose.

What we want: Lucifer and Lilith being completely in love with each other and have a Gomez and Morticia dynamic and his wife is the only one that he doesn't care is taller than him it likely turns him on. All hail Mommy Dommie Lilith!

What we're likely to get: They're divorce and Lilith is Stella 2.0 with Luci being another 'uwu sad man' that Viv likes so much.

While I think that Mammon was better written than Stella, it would be like to see him kinda show some charisma with his fans.

Here is an idea.

Maybe the episode could show Mammon being loved by everyone in hell because he has knows how to get people to love him. What if when Fizz insults Mammon, Mammon’s fans actually turn on Fizz. When Fizz leaves with Asmodeus, people are actually booing him off the stage. Fizz and Asmodeus become a laughing stock and hated by everyone. It would not matter to Fizz and Asmodeus because they would have each other. However, there would still be that consequence to their actions. Asmodeus would have to deal with the bad publicity, but he got Fizz to leave Mammon. So, Asmodeus would still be happy. It would be bittersweet. What do you think?

You just solved my biggest issue with the episode! The ending always felt slightly off to me and this absolutely blows it out of the water!

I love that Mam wouldn't need to "make" people like him, despite being amoral, he's a genuinely endearing and charismatic guy. All he really needs to do is avoid the topic of business and he's free to be himself while the fans keep pouring in. (As they should, he deserves it)

It' also the perfect comeuppance for Ozzie and Fizz's hypocrisy in past episodes, it's the perfect way for Mammon to screw them over without having to do anything. You might see it as bittersweet, but as a Mammon kinnie, I consider this sweet as icing!

One a side note, being hated actually would matter to Fizz, but not directly. If enough people turned on him, Ozzie would probably become even more smothering than ever in fear of someone trying to harm Fizz, which would make Fizz even more uncomfortable with Ozzie essentially controlling his life. This would basically mean their personalities would effectively make them punish each other!

Maybe have a moment where Oliver runs out of the theatre in shock and betrayal.

This might just get incorporated into my GoldenGoose-verse

@pinkandpurple360 , you gotta get a look at this!

I think the marketing really screwed the movie, had it been promoted as a reimagining of Cruella or an original story about a similar woman who took a better path, instead of Cruella's backstory, I guarantee that it would've performed better. Hell, it may have even steered the rampant villain redemption stuff into villain reimagining stuff, which would've been way better!

The whole "Disney villain hates something because of trauma" meme that started with Cruella makes me kinda angry because it's one of the earliest examples of people either not understanding what actually happened, or worse, people not bothering to actually see the movie in question and just basing their thoughts on reviews they've seen.

Estella/Cruella never shows any kind of real hatred towards the Dalmatians themselves. She steals them as revenge, but they're shown to be taken care of and never actually harmed. Most she does is make a bad joke about maybe turning them into a coat, but that never actually happens.

And she never blames the dogs for her mother's death. First, she blames herself, in a similar way to how Simba blamed himself for his father's death - assuming that her mother just got caught in the crossfire, since the dogs had been chasing her daughter and she got caught in the middle. And when she learns her mother was targetted, she turns her anger towards the person who sent the dogs after her mother, not the dogs themselves.

Helluva Boss but it's actually Jontron moments

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Stella: *playing with dolls* "Hey, Alejandro, I was thinking about, you know, maybe taking a year off, going back to college, starting my career." "Nonsense, Monica! You're staying home and having my kids!"

Andrealphus: Stella, What are you playing?

Stella: Systemic oppression :)

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Wally: *selling a carpet that a guy was stitched into* Yes, okay, he had a bit of an accident, but, I say, it's one of a kind! I'll give you a good price!

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Mammon: *on the phone* Oh, okay. So I guess what you're telling me is that I should NOT make a game about the Titanic sinking!

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Mammon: Hey, you know what, I think you're right. On second thought, I don't think it's gonna work... But I got one for you better! Schindler's List: HD Remix!

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Moxxie: You can count me in.

Blitz: Okay, one.

Moxxie: What even?

Blitz: I counted you in :)

Moxxie: Go to fucking Heaven.

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Stolas:*picks up a packet of sunflower seeds* Via, what is this? Where did you learn to do this? have you been doing SEED?!?

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So, um, Gregor is DEFINITELY a cultist... The implications of this, especially for episode 6, are very interesting. Expect some more SM theory stuff coming soon. (On a side note, I'm not sure, but it looks like their doing a secret Santa, which is so funny and wholesome, as weird as it feels to say that about a cult that's trying to take over the world)

So @crossover-enthusiast , @the-spooky-children what do you think?

Also, I headcanon that these are all official Happy Fella merch in-universe and Dexter got to possess a nutcracker instead of a regular doll for a change.

I think I figured out why I like Fizzarozzie more than you do, I actually do see all relationships as transactions, at least to an extent.

It's a big part of the reason I kin Mammon, granted I also consider the emotional aspect as part of the "transaction", extracting value from a fun or otherwise valuable experience with someone else (something I incorporate into my Mammon writing), but I would say Blitz and Ozzie are evenly matched in that regard, at least in Fizz's eyes as of the mid-season finale (I know you'll disagree with this, but this is my final stance on the matter).

Realistically speaking, I probably wouldn't care about Blitz if I was in Fizz's position and had Ozzie. I'm not saying my opinion is the be all end all of this discussion, but I just thought it would be useful to get this perspective out there.

That twitter post is so dumb. Saying Blitzo doesn't have anything to offer to the table that Oz doesn't? What about a personality? That's a start. He isn't perfect so Fizz would actually have some ability to be his own person and character since Blitzo isn't capable of being everything always all the time. It's a better relationship because it's more grounded as a whole and also just a better story.

“You always cared what I thought” — blitzø s2e6

“I cant help feel he values your take on things” — Asmodeus s2e7

“Well yeah I was usually the one with the stronger opinions” — blitzø s2e7

“He kept you safe when I wasn’t able to, and I trust that” — Asmodeus, s2e7

I hate that thread if it’s the one I’m thinking of. Maybe if you let characters interact for more than one episode a dynamic could be established? Notice how it’s also implying that blitz and Asmodeus are remarkably similar in their protective caring dynamic with him ? Seems like he was the blueprint

I think this show has just hardwired everyone into seeing all relationships as a transaction. Oz has a big bank account and a nice house what does blitz have? Checkmate.

Blitz offers him, and always has offered him loyalty, protection, reassurance and a feeling of safety. He lets Fizz yell and show when he’s annoyed without feeling like he has to cushion his words, he doesn’t have to say “pweeease?” And pretend to be all submissive and cute to get what he wants. People pleasers need someone who isn’t biassed by a need to benefit off of them, to give it to them straight. Ozzie doesn’t offer him that because fizz only thinks Ozzie is with him because of who he is at his best, meaning he’s been putting up a front with Asmodeus, and he feels like it’s thanks to Mammon that he got to be with him. He says he barely feels worthy.

Another thing I had to laugh at is. Fizz doesn’t like he blitz talks too much. And it shows fizz’s annoyed expression. Um. You may as well be talking about “if you keep talking about pirates I will punch you” they have a back and forth. Fizz keeps him in check. He also doesn’t like how Oz pampers him too much and makes decisions without telling him. In both episode six and seven of season two of you pay attention, Fizzarolli and Asmodeus are actually arguing almost the entire time. Because two people can disagree and that isn’t grounds for ending things.

People who knew you and loved you before you were famous are irreplaceable. It’s more than ‘nostalgia’ and ‘some solidarity in that they’re both imps or whatever’ it’s community, history, belonging, and understanding. And that last one means the most to fizz.

And you’re right it is also just a better story