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More Golden Goose (Mammon x Stella) stuff! (and some other HCs)

Much like the last volume, this batch of ideas will contain some HCs that are only included by virtue of association with a Golden Goose one.

Mammon doesn't have any chefs in his house staff, partly because he doesn't want the extra expense, but also because he actually enjoys cooking and is very skilled at it. This comes as a pleasant surprise to Stella and Octavia.

Contrasting the last one, Ozzie is actually a pretty sloppy cook and doesn't know many recipes, it's just that, unlike Fizz, the things he makes can at least be called food. The only reason they didn't have a chef was to lessen the risk of someone "discovering" their relationship. The first thing Asmodeus did after the mid-season special was put out a chef wanted ad.

Stella will often tell Mam stories about Via as a little kid and show him any accompanying photos she has. He's always enthralled by these and starts his own family photo album shortly after the first time Stella does this. Mammon sometimes spends minutes on end looking at the album, it's come closer than anything else to making him run late for a meeting.

Whenever they cross paths Mam chews out Stolas for treating his family like shit. Stolas tries the defend himself the first time but Mammon doesn't let him pull his scummy excuses. After that, Stolas would just fume in silence and shame whenever this happens.

Via eventually starts writing and composing her own songs and puts together an album. Mam and Stella are super proud but also not sure what to do when it comes to releasing it. After a long family discussion, Mam decides Via can perform it, but only at an exclusive royal gathering, while it's publicly released later under the stage name Great Eclipse, with a slight voice modifier.

Stella has a deep appreciation of art, especially performance art. Any performance that's any performance will have Greed's royal family in the audience. Stella also often listens to Via's songs in her free time.

Stella sometimes calls Mammon "Muffin" as a pet name. Her reasoning is that he's big, warm, soft and sweet (and she loves the way he tastes).

Lastly, for some angst and comfort: Early into the relationship Stella often felt a sense of not being good enough for or being a burden to Mam, as she didn't have much varied life experience. This would sometimes throw her into manic depressive states and bring out her more aggressive side. The first time this happened Mam freaked out and was terrified that he'd lose Stella. Luckily, Via was able to smooth out the situation and tell Mammon about her mom's problems and the signs that she's having a "mood". Ever since then, if Mam even thinks that Stella is having those self deprecating intrusive thoughts he makes sure to do something extra just for her. No matter how small it is, Stella always cherishes it and these issues almost completely disappear by the time they get married.

While I fully support the Golden Goose ship and am happy about how many people support it's functionality as well, one thing did catch my attention: no one really talks about why these two would like each other and why they are so perfect together. This aspect is simply taken for granted. It feels so right yet it's so hard to articulate WHY it works. So, maybe you'd use your writing talent to elaborate on that? :)

I've been pondering this for a while and I have indeed found it extremely hard to properly articulate.

If I had to narrow it down, though, I would say it's that they both have bombastic personalities, by nature and as a result of their lives up until this point.

Stella was only born to eventually become a wife and mother, and the man she was forced to marry fucked it all up for her. No one's ever valued Stella as just Stella, it's always been about some role.

Mammon, on the other hand, sees everything through the lens of value, meaning he already has a rather small dating pool. Not to mention the prospect of gold-diggers and centuries of being married to the job.

Their chemistry comes from the fact that Stella feels like someone whose presence Mam would enjoy and who he could trust to not just be after his wallet and actually be interested in him. While Mammon having fun with Stella and genuinely wanting to spend time with her would do wonders for her self-worth.

As I've said in an earlier post, they deserve better and they deserve it with each other. The very premises of their characters essentially entitle them to nuance that the writing denies them, and even then, they're both still awesome and rightfully popular in the fandom.

I would love to do a Golden Goose fic, but I've yet to make an ao3 account despite deciding to do so over 3 months ago. The earliest I could see myself finishing a hypothetical chapter 1 would be mid-to-late January, time is a bit tight for me at the moment.

That and Stella and Mammon getting together, Mam and Via's love and support giving Stella the confidence to take Stol-ass to task. He, of course, can't make any legitimate counterpoints and loses everything.

I can think of no better punishment for a scumbag who lords his power over others while painting himself as powerless, than for two of his victims to transcend him in status and leave him genuinely powerless to avoid the consequences of his own shitty actions.

For me Mammons mid season musical special is the peak of the show and the finale for me. After this point it’s all downhill. I like to think Ozzie gifts Blitzø a crystal offscreen and sets him free.

The end

“I’d be sorry if I’d hurt you but we both know I didn’t do that”

I think this is the worst one of all, mainly because, horrifyingly, he's being 100% honest. He's not trying to manipulate anyone, he genuinely believes that his actions did not hurt Stella emotionally in any way. Such is his inability to empathies that he can't register that Stella's upbringing would make her extremely dependent on approval from the Ars Goetia.

It actually makes a lot of sense if you look at how they're early childhoods would've differed. Stella was born (laid?) to eventually become a wife and mother, Stol-ass on the other hand, while still planned to become a father, was primarily to control his own legions and have a specific role in the nobility. Up until Paimon told him he's engaged, he likely had no idea he'd have any responsibilities in life other than commanding others, while his behavior definitely stems from nature (in more ways than one), his nurture actually makes his villainous actions that much more logical and compelling to watch... If only his villainy was taken seriously.

This is literally Stol-ass' enitre character:

This too.

“I’d be sorry if I’d hurt you but we both know I didn’t do that”

“Cheating implies there was a betrayal!”

“I’m glad you aren’t upset! I know you can handle any stupid joke a clown can make”

What do you mean "can be"? Stella IS a more tragic character than 🦉 and honestly, I feel comfortable saying that any other writer in the indie animation industry would recognize and acknowledge that.

I can't find the post where you said it, but I remember a joke you made where you said Blitz's first word was "Stolas", but just you watch, we'll eventually get a flashback of kid!Blitz sleeping, cuddled up with an owl plushie. (Of course with Fizz nowhere to be seen)

On a side note, I have a theory about Stella, she only exists because it was discovered that Andre wouldn't be able to have kids, hence why Stella was conceived. This also fits with the common assumption that Andre is roughly 10/11 years older, as it would be around that time that any developmental issues with hormones/reproduction would start surfacing. Andrealphus would be their parents' heir, while Stella would be the kid that gets married off. As if her life wasn't already miserable enough, Stella may be living with the knowledge that she's just a way to make up for her brother's "inadequacy" :(

Ugh. Stop. So gross.

That’s really devastating actually…Stella can easily be a more tragic character than stolas could ever be

Yeah, my response was rhetorical. Viv is unique in both the lengths and stupidity of her bad writing choices.

I can't find the post where you said it, but I remember a joke you made where you said Blitz's first word was "Stolas", but just you watch, we'll eventually get a flashback of kid!Blitz sleeping, cuddled up with an owl plushie. (Of course with Fizz nowhere to be seen)

On a side note, I have a theory about Stella, she only exists because it was discovered that Andre wouldn't be able to have kids, hence why Stella was conceived. This also fits with the common assumption that Andre is roughly 10/11 years older, as it would be around that time that any developmental issues with hormones/reproduction would start surfacing. Andrealphus would be their parents' heir, while Stella would be the kid that gets married off. As if her life wasn't already miserable enough, Stella may be living with the knowledge that she's just a way to make up for her brother's "inadequacy" :(

Ugh. Stop. So gross.

That’s really devastating actually…Stella can easily be a more tragic character than stolas could ever be

I don’t know if it was you or someone else who compared Mammon and his behaviors to Calvin Fischoeder from Bob’s Burgers, but I think about that frequently and can imagine Mammon pulling a number of Mr. Fischoeder’s antics. Since it’s the holiday season, I also feel that the Sins would get together and recreate the plot of the episode Last Gingerbread House on the Left. It could just be me, but I can honestly picture the Sins getting together to celebrate Sinsmas together, only for it to descend into complete chaos over something as trivial as making gingerbread houses.

I think I first compared them in an ask to @pinkandpurple360 , but funnily enough, Mam isn't the first character I've compared to Calvin.

I'm not sure if I just thought about this or actually posted it somewhere, but ever since he was introduced, I've seen Andre as the Calvin to Stella's Felix. There's a good number of Fischoeder brothers moments that work well with them, with just a little tweaking. Some examples:

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Andre (talking to a servant): My father left all this to me, the palace, all these artifacts. I still can't tell if it was a joke.

Stella: *cough* Should've been me.

Andre: Oh, THAT would've been fun!

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(during the gingerbread house scene)

Andre: Well, if everyone else is doing it. *pulls out blessed handgun*

Stella: *also pulls out a blessed gun*

Andre: Don't you pull a gun, Stella. We're having a moment here.

Stella: You think you're so great, Andy, just because mother laid you before me!

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Headcanons for Stella's friends because these two deserve some love

While we all love Stella here, I have to say I'm slightly disappointed that not one person, that I'm aware of, has taken the chance to do something with her friends. Especially when exploring the more tragic parts of her character, as her besties would be an important part of her support network. So I decided to name them and give them some uniqueness. For anyone curios I also plan on using them in my "GoldenGoose-verse".

Let's start with Camio. Like her real life demonology namesake, she can manipulate fire and increase or diminish the clarity of others' memories. Her duties mostly revolve around the latter ability, often to enable or prevent certain people to take certain actions.

Personality wise, she's quite bubbly and easy-going. Despite this, she's fiercely defensive of those close to her and gets a kick out of pushing people's buttons from time to time.

She actually has a lot of interest in human history and the evolution of their cultures. This is partly because she occasionally shapes human history and partly because she's always had a fascination with relationships, both between individuals and between groups.

Her and Stella have known each other basically their whole lives and can, consequently, get away with a lot more when it comes to messing with each other.

Now, onto Furfur. She's biologically male and nonbinary, cool with any pronouns but with a preference for female pronouns. Possesses electric powers. He's the most physically powerful of the trio and has several forms, similar to Paimon*. While their primary duty is weather manipulation, they also have the important task of keeping track of angelic activity on Earth.

*To expand on this, I like to think that every goetic demon has several forms, with one as a "base". Paimon's base form is indeed more humanlike that the form we see in The Circus. The reason most of the Ars Goetia are birds in the show is because bird forms are "in" at the time of the series. Furfur's primary form is a fluffy cloud deer

Furfur often comes across as aloof or inconsiderate, but that's mostly because of his belief in pushing her friends to improve themselves, this is frequently compounded by their snarky streak.

Loves playing with their and Stella's hair, they've both tried to convince Camio to grow her out.

She also has a habit of taking Stella and Camio on daytrips to Earth, everything there is her treat, she just loves swindling humans. After Stella and Via, their the most pissed at Stolas for being a sex pest.

I have some more stuff for their overall dynamics and how Mammon gets involved when he and Stella get together, but I feel that should wait for another time.

His constant lying and failure to educate Via is just another example of how Stolas is a worse father than Paimon. I think he lies because he thinks Via not knowing how toxic the Ars Goetia are will shield her from it's toxicity, when it will only make it a thousand times worse when it actually hits her.

Also, yeah, it's really sad to see that Via has essential zero social life, especially with how many parties Stella throws. You'd think that at least some other noble would've taken their kid to meet Via when they were young.

Side note, if Stolas and Stella were engaged at 10, why has the fact that Via should've already been engaged for the better part of a decade not been addressed at all? Will we see her get engaged against her will in season 3 and have this plot point used to make her like Stolas again and turn on her mother? Probably.

What really bothers me about Octavia is, like, does she have no friends, no peers?? If she’s heir to the Goetia family, has she been doing any training or studying for her “role” if something did happen to Stolas?? Does she even know what that role is, because Stolas had clearly been preparing for his job since he was a very young child (even though we have yet to see him do anything related to his job outside of the Harvest Moon Festival)??

Like Stolas with Blitz, her only existence is to be completely obsessed with one another character and never shut up about them. She has never passed the Bechdel test. I love via but her one personality trait is ‘i love my dad’ that’s it. Viv won’t let her have anything else. And if she does give via something it’ll either be her hating other women (probably her mom) or her getting a obsessive crush on a boy.

Yeah, stolas has been preparing for whatever his job is, reading stars or some shit—his whole life, and it’s clear that even Paimon had to have stolas out of obligation. Maybe even as a ‘precaution’ as well considering he had many children, this usually means plenty are needed in case anything happens to them.

No, she knows nothing. Stolas does nothing but lie to her by omission every single day of her life. He makes Stella do the same. And still sees himself as the victim.

All of her training and studying is impossible if the grimoire is in someone else’s possession. Stolas doesn’t even tell her that his marriage was arranged, and why she was born. He can’t even tell her about the divorce, unless it’s all offscreen. For some reason he thinks it’s better to just keep it all a secret and lie to her face every single day, then turn around and say “I’ve endured so much for that girl!!” He waits until she has a horrific mental breakdown, cuts him out entirely, and has to come to the conclusions all alone. She asks if she was an obligation and he keeps fucking lying saying “no” instead of “I had to have a child, it’s true, I’m so sorry. but you were the best thing that ever came from this awful situation.” Just tell her the truth

Trying to make Akinator guess Stella's friends

attempt 1:

A valiant effort.

attempt 2:

Again, not quite.

attempt 3:

Sudden detour, also, can anyone tell me where this art is from?

Apparently, he gave up.

Let Stella and Blitz lead us in making this pathetic fucking man suffer!

I'd actually really like to see a fic where they team up to take the prick down.

Also, are his feathers greying or not? Make up your damn mind, Vivienne.

This is an official print :

Opinions everyone? Theories?

Of-fucking-course you're pro-stella and anti-Stolas. Jesus fucking Christ... Hope you don't have a total meltdown when future positive episodes surrounding Stolas and Blitz get released.

I won't because I know that they're only happening because Vivienne wants them to and that realistically, Blitz would eventually snap out of the manipulation and get Stolas out of his life.

AUs and fics exist for many reasons, and one reason is that sometimes viewers who happen to be writers themselves can't tolerate the bad and in some instances potentially harmful writing in canon.

I know that the series won't give Stella a happy ending, that's exactly why I focus so much on her.

We know for a fact that Stolas was originally going to be a major villain in the series and was retconned into being "mIsgUIdEd" during the production of season 2. All this means Stella was more likely than not, originally framed as at least somewhat sympathetic by the narrative. The reason I point out the implied and/or inherent nuances to Stella's character is because they're an inevitable holdover from a version of the show that would have been far superior to the product we received.

The reason I'm pro-Stella is because she, as a character, deserved to be handled with more tact.

If you take that much of an issue with these stances, I suggest you just block, and move on with your day.

If you want a loving villain couple just do what everyone else is doing, ship Golden Goose.

What we want: Lucifer and Lilith being completely in love with each other and have a Gomez and Morticia dynamic and his wife is the only one that he doesn't care is taller than him it likely turns him on. All hail Mommy Dommie Lilith!

What we're likely to get: They're divorce and Lilith is Stella 2.0 with Luci being another 'uwu sad man' that Viv likes so much.

This.... This is true art that understands the character better than the creator. Well done.

Eyes of hell are on her, watching her every move, pressuring her, forcing her to play a role she never wanted to play.

Helluva Boss but it's actually Jontron moments

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Stella: *playing with dolls* "Hey, Alejandro, I was thinking about, you know, maybe taking a year off, going back to college, starting my career." "Nonsense, Monica! You're staying home and having my kids!"

Andrealphus: Stella, What are you playing?

Stella: Systemic oppression :)

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Wally: *selling a carpet that a guy was stitched into* Yes, okay, he had a bit of an accident, but, I say, it's one of a kind! I'll give you a good price!

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Mammon: *on the phone* Oh, okay. So I guess what you're telling me is that I should NOT make a game about the Titanic sinking!

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Mammon: Hey, you know what, I think you're right. On second thought, I don't think it's gonna work... But I got one for you better! Schindler's List: HD Remix!

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Moxxie: You can count me in.

Blitz: Okay, one.

Moxxie: What even?

Blitz: I counted you in :)

Moxxie: Go to fucking Heaven.

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Stolas:*picks up a packet of sunflower seeds* Via, what is this? Where did you learn to do this? have you been doing SEED?!?

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so, I heard this crazy theory that I need to share.

So, according to the Hazbin trading cards, there are hints that Lilith might be a villain. However, what if the character that currently claiming to be Lilith wasn’t Lilith. She is Eve.

In the Bible, Eve is the first woman ever created. What if, in this universe, Eve was a character who hated heaven because she received the blame for the creation of sin. She wanted to separate Lucifer and Lilith to get with Lucifer. So, some how?

Eve stole Lilith’s identity. Lilith isn’t able to stop her. I don’t know why.

So, Lilith decides to stay in the shadows scheming. She hides in a identity. She pretends to be an Overlord, especially Rosie.

So, Rosie is Lilith and Alastor knows this.

I don’t know what to think about this insane theory. However, too many people are talking about it could happen. I needed to share it. What do you think?

The thing is in the actual oldest scriptures, the word "Lilith" only appeas once and is believed to be in reference to an owl spirit that had nothing to do with Eden.

Because of this, most stories just make Even and Lilith one and the same, anyway. So there's no real precedent for what being the "real" Lilith would even really mean.

Personally, I always thought Hellaverse's Lilith was also it's Eve. Until a mutual messaged me about it, I never even considered that that information might be a secret in-universe

I think the Rosie thing (which came from leaked messages between Viv and someone else) was misinterpreted. I think it meant that Rosie will have the role of the supportive mother figure that Lilith was going to have back in the pilot days, before she was rewritten as another Stella.

I request more golden goose, thank you kindly

I've actually been meaning to get some more Golden Goose stuff out, but was fighting myself over whether to post something on it's own or officially start my GoldenGooseVerse.

So here's some stuff I can share without spoiling anything:

Stella frequently tries new hobbies and takes a particular liking to sculpting. Her first attempts were supposed to be small vases that she wanted to gift to people close to her. Even though they turned out somewhat lopsided, Mammon, Via, Andre, Camio and Furfur all kept them and use them as pen holders.

Via and Mammon's main form of bonding is playing guitar together. They workshop songs, talk about (and often bash) new songs they've heard recently, and just chat about their day, their interests and life in general. When they first started doing this, Octavia would sometimes have moments of "Wait, is this real life, right now?", because she wasn't used to having this form of positive experience with a paternal figure.

Before Mam and Stella officially started their relationship, Stella would often talk to her friends about her recent bonding with Mammon. Whilst Furfur was completely on board, Camio was slightly apprehensive about the whole situation, she wanted to be sure Stella's past traumas weren't making her see Mam through rose-tinted glasses. Because of this, she once asked Stella to invite Mammon to one of the friend group's meetings, Mam agreed and shortly afterwards befriended Camio and Furfur, as well.

Mammon takes more of an interest in improving Greed's Goetic social circles for 2 main reasons: 1) He wants to create an environment that would make it easier for Octavia to socialize with her peers and 2) He wants to give Stella some autonomy as a ruler and involves her in these reforms to ease her into it before officially making her the ultimate authority on any Goetic matter in the Greed ring, as well as it's Goetic representative.

There more on the way, it'll be more complex and take some time, but I promise it'll be good.

in your golden goose au, what does Stella think of the Morningstars?

I've yet to get around to seeing Hazbin in any real capacity, so I'm still not decided. But since they'll probably make Lilith a Stella clone, I might make them friends or at least include a scene where Stella and Lilith discuss their similar experiences.

I'm also trying to figure out what the other Sins would think of Mammon's relationship with Stella. Expect something on that in the relatively near future.

Yo mammon is the best and I want him to get his revenge same with stella. Let's see some hell. 🔥

Fuck yeah!!

Mam is easily my favorite Hellaverse character and one of my favorite characters in anything, in general. And the amazing part is most of it is just from the concept of Greed being manifested in a similar way to the other Sins.

Stella was outright created to be a sympathetic character, and the writing's attempts to erase this will never sit well with me.

But my absolute favorite thing about them is how genuinely perfect they are as a couple. I'm currently engaged in writing in a different fandom, but I do plan to make some Golden Goose waves in the community soon.

More headcanons for Camio and Furfur (Stella's friends)

Been a while since I talked about these two, but it's time to get back into it!

For anyone missing the context, you can find it here

Due to her fascination with humans, Camio goes out of her way to exclusively hire sinners as her house staff and bodyguards. It's more costly than hellborns, but she finds it personally enriching and worthwhile.

Furfur can teleport/manifest as a lightning bolt from any cloud they choose.

After Mammon and Stella's wedding, the group's trips to the human world become more like family vacations, with Mam and Via tagging along.

Between Stella, Furfur and Camio, Camio is the oldest.

With the hubbub about the hotel, Furfur is ordered to expand and extend his surveillance of Heaven's direct activities on Earth.

While we're at it, she gets the unenviable task of sorting out the C.H.E.R.U.B situation.

And that's it for now!

It'll be a little while before we get back to the GoldenGooseVerse proper, so I hope these rations satisfy you in the mean time.