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Me personal theory:

Robert's sister somehow got SUPER hyped up on spiked candy, making her more sick and then making her go ballistic, which everyone mistakes for a possession, so they call Gregor to deal with it. Skid and Pump are there because they know Rob's sister from school (but don't know she's his sister until the events of the episode) and came over because they thought it was cool that their classmate got possessed, because of course they would think that.

Because of this they all end up isolated from Kevin's plot of dealing with the spiked candy. This could lead to a joke at the end of the episode with someone warning the boys, Robert's family and Gregor about the candy after they already figured it out and got the sister back to normal.

Edit: Just saw the new character outlines on the patreon post preview (since I can't afford to donate) and they're almost certainly Robert's parents and grandma, with the individual description hinting at their future appearances... Or I'm just huffing copium.

I think SM 6 is gonna have 2 main plots/POVs, one being Kevin and the Candy Dealer + Candy Cartel (because Kevin has 8 minutes of voiced lines and one of the OC submissions options was in the Candy Club), and another being Skid and Pump + something to do with religion (based on something that was shared on Patreon), and that those 2 plots will overlap, like with Lila, Jaune and the cops and Bob with Skid and Pump in SM 5

You know, I was looking at the Halloween drawing and comparing it to the new one when I had a horrifying realization.

In both images Roy seems uncomfortable with being in a proper costume, but has no issue "making" a generic (and non horror adjacent) costume in Tender Treats.

I tried to figure out why when I remembered that specific costumes, usually with some morbid/horror twist, are sometimes used in roleplay which coupled with Roy's trauma would explain his aversion to traditional Halloween costumes and for the holiday in general, which could be a great parallel between him and the spookies.

(Also the ghost on the right in this year's image is meant to represent Dexter, you can tell by the mis-matchd eyes)

Wait wait wait I think you're onto something??

Like in demonology Moloch is a powerful demon, maybe a demon down in hell went "I haven't seen this bastard in three years where tf did he go" and goes up to find him, possessing Patty in the process

Maybe that's what the seven circles of hell image on the spoiler collage is for???

First off, I never thought about the idea that we might actually see the SM universe version of hell.

And second, the idea i actually had was more like a rival demon who sees Moloch stuck in Dexter's body and goes "Oh, so you do possession, huh?" and then possesses Patty simply because she's the nearest person.

Also! Also! this fits as a parallel to my idea of an angel-obsessed rival for Susie, maybe their even Gregor's grandkid!

Analyzing the SM6 spoiler collage

A bit late to the party with this one, but I have some ideas I haven't seen brought up by anyone else so buckle up and get ready to theorize!

Let's start with the easy stuff:

priest-Gregor

exorcism-Gregor attempts to perform an exorcism but likely gets possessed himself (see the demon priest poster at the movie theatre in Tender Treats)

church-We get a better look at the local church, seeing as the door we see in Tender Treats has a cult diamond shaped window in it, there should be some pretty interesting stuff in there, maybe even the tome from the ARGs

burglars-The thieves

cat lady- Even if you're like me and not a patron you can still tell based on blurred image previews and post titles that one of the new characters is an old woman and there's also a bunch of cats slated to appear in the episode. It's pretty easy to see the connection.

touhou plushie in the bottom left-just confirming there will be more Touhou references

Less obvious stuff that I feel really confident in:

the nine circles of Hell-Since were likely to meet a new demon this episode we may also get a glimpse at the SMverse version of Hell

women drinking-Lila goes to Jaune's house and gets drunk with her, this is also where we meet Jaune's husband in person, since he's confirmed to be in the episode

furnace-Dexter's body is cremated, likely by Patty after she's possessed by the new demon to release Moloch, who then possesses Gregor

Ones I'm less sure about:

marionette-Either something to do with the over-arcing cult plot or just a reference to the general idea of possession

angel-Possibly an angelic being who appears later in the episode, or more entertainingly, a character who acts as a rival to Susie, who is obsessed with angelic imagery

water bottles and ice bottles-My best guess is something to do with Kevin and the candy cartel

eyes-While it may be tempting to relate this to Eyes, I think the stark bright eyes against black may represent the Candy Dealer

person waking up-Someone comes to after being un-possessed and feels great and doesn't remember the possession, either that or something with some new character

blood flow-I honestly have no fucking clue on this one, maybe some kind of demonic infection or just saying there will be a lot of blood

I have a theory that the plot of the episode will have another demon come to town looking for Moloch, explaining how both Patty and Gregor get possessed and also prevent Pelo from breaking his rule about not having a character (Moloch) be the big bad of more than one episode.

In case you haven't figured it out, I think Elusive will voice the new demon. (This also might explain his post about Pelo knowing that the new episode is going to cause a lot of shipping, since they both knew Moloch x new demon would be popular).

ELUSIVEVA (JACK, ROSS AND KEVIN'S VA) RETWEETED THIS POST ABOUT THE MANNEQUIN MOVING

LOWKEY THINK HE KNOWS SOMETHING + MIGHT VOICE SKIDDAD

Rick might be a cultist

With how much discussion there is around potential cultists in the fandom, I'm honestly surprised by how little consideration goes to this idea but I can't hold it in anymore, I think Rick is a cultist.

Yes, I am genuinely convinced that Rick motherfucking Hedony is in with the bad guys and I have several reasons for saying so.

One that started as a bit of a joke but became more convincing to me over time, despite being apathetic enough to constantly quit jobs, Rick doesn't seem to have any trouble getting new ones, this seems insignificant, but is more substantial when you take something else into account.

That something being what Rick does in TT, he leaves when he sees Bob but stays behind the store. At least to me, it reads like he knows Bob won't go after him since their both cultists and is just waiting for Kevin and the boys to get killed, this also explains his awkward attempt at small talk with Kevin, he wasn't expecting him to survive.

If he is indeed a member of the cult then he likely wouldn't have trouble getting other cultist to pull some strings and get him jobs that pay at least somewhat reasonably. It'd be hard for a prospective boss to turn you down if you're helping them take over the world.

I also find it interesting that we don't see his reaction to the Dexter Fella in episode 4, probably nothing, but interesting to think about. I know I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for his potential reaction to any supernatural goings on in episode 6.

Lastly, if Rick really is a lower level member of the cult, it's possible that seeing Eyes, or something else his mind wasn't ready to handle, broke him and that's why he's as emotionally vacant as he is.

If anyone has any corrections, additional pieces of evidence, or general thoughts on this theory, I'd be more than happy to hear you out.

Regarding Rick in the cult, something that might be interesting in that context is a cut scene Pelo mentioned for SM4 -- there was supposed to be a scene before Skid and Pump leave the theater and ask Radford where the doll went, with Rick being completely absent

Now obviously he left because he quit, but it's convenient he's absent when the two come in to ask about a possessed doll

Oh my Eyes, thanks for this info! I vaguely remember seeing something about that scene but forgot Rick wasn't in it. Another example of Rick's presence within scenes being weirdly specific.

Really curios to see him in SM6, especially since we'll likely get his first on-screen interaction with John and Jack. I think the way he interacts with them will have a major impact on how likely this theory is.

Yeah yea, it'll definitely be something

Something I also thing could be interesting with this theory is that Rick worked at the post office in between SM4 and SM5, according to those Mother's Day and Father's Day illustrations Pelo made last year

Yeah, iirc that's where his last name was revealed.

Pretty sure you mentioned this before at some point, but I think it's kind of weird that Roy Against Society is basically the only fanwork that plays with the cultist Rick idea.

So, with there being 10 episodes, I feel this applies to episodes 3-9, since the first two episodes don't really have main villains and the last episode will be a grand finale.

So far we've had Bob-Gluttony, Moloch-Wrath (his main motive in UG was to escape and get revenge on the boys) and Dexter-Lust (bloodlust to be exact).

Given that it seems the villain of episode 6 will be a new demon, possibly Moloch's rival, I feel they will represent Envy. Especially because SM6 was likely originally supposed to be the Candy Dealer episode and that guy's main thing is being jealous of and trying to surpass the Candy Club.

This leaves Pride, Greed and Sloth split between the Roy, Frank and Spider episodes (assuming none of them were the second cut episode).

Okay I'm gonna fixate on the antagonists reflectijg the 7 deadly sins forever now

I think the current pair will be "rivals" of past villains, a new demon for Moloch in SM6 and the spider, a pest, for Dexter in SM7.

This leaves the Frank and Roy episodes. I don't think either of them will be villains, though there is the fact that they'll likely be two "redemption" episodes. One of those episodes will probably have Mr. Clown as the villain, so the other villain might be a new cultist. The robed cultist in the monster teasers is either Clown hiding that he's still alive or a way of hiding a cultist who hadn't and likely still hasn't appeared in an episode.

Okay I'm gonna fixate on the antagonists reflectijg the 7 deadly sins forever now

It's not just the lack of horns, it's that her eyes don't match the glowing swirly pupiled ones we see with Dex and all the doodles Pelo's made of Moloch possessing people.

Also Pelo has repeatedly said he doesn't want any villain/monster to be the focus in two episodes, so something other than Moloch is involved.

Here are some reasons for my theory:

Patty gets possessed but it's heavily implied that Gregor will also be possessed, I think this is building to a possession fight.

The image of the circles of Hell in the spoiler collage could imply we'll first see the new demon in Hell wondering where his rival's been for the last 3 years. (Also let's hope that in this seen we see uncle getting tortured)

Another possibility is and actual angel, again from the spoiler collage, which would fit the rival idea even better.

Okay I'm gonna fixate on the antagonists reflectijg the 7 deadly sins forever now

Theorizing about the SM6 character teaser

So for those who don't know, this post teasing 3 new characters was posted to the SM patreon la while back.

As non-patrons, myself and @crossover-enthusiast have discussed this a bit and I have some ideas on these folks

Character A, the and one the left is described as "the boss of a he-", I can't be sure but I think this is implying that this guy runs either a new or established business, my current leading theory is Gonuts, since we already know that Rick will be working there in the coming episode.

Character B is the one I've seen the least discussion about. Given that Patty and the morgue are both confirmed to be relevant to the main plot and how similar to Patty this character's silhouette is, I'm willing to bet this is another mortician/pathologist. Whether they'll be a major character or only appear briefly, I can't say.

And lastly, Character C is all but confirmed to be a cat lady (see the patreon post showing the designs for a bunch of cats and the spoiler collage). The thing that really stuck out to me though is this:

The cat post mentioned earlier has what's clearly a picture of Dexter in the preview, it appears to be either a framed photo or a picture on a carton of milk. This might be nothing, but the more I think about it, the more likely it seems to me that this woman will eventually be revealed to be Dexter's mother.

I hope my fellow non-patrons enjoyed this and the patrons got a laugh out of how wrong something I said here is.

So, um, Gregor is DEFINITELY a cultist... The implications of this, especially for episode 6, are very interesting. Expect some more SM theory stuff coming soon. (On a side note, I'm not sure, but it looks like their doing a secret Santa, which is so funny and wholesome, as weird as it feels to say that about a cult that's trying to take over the world)

So @crossover-enthusiast , @the-spooky-children what do you think?

Also, I headcanon that these are all official Happy Fella merch in-universe and Dexter got to possess a nutcracker instead of a regular doll for a change.

Spooky Month 6 predictions

So, as a non-patron, my access to sm6 teaser is very limited, but that's exactly what makes me so fascinated by what I can get of them.

After combing through the teaser, I've managed to construct an outline of the episode's plot.

I hope my fellow non patrons will enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed putting it together.

LET'S BEGIN:

The episode begins with a typical spooky month set up with a montage of Skid and Pump running around town.

Some scenes in this segment are: Lila and Jaune are getting drunk together, the Kevin clip we got the other day and a scene with Rick and the cops at Gonuts, this sequence will likely introduce a new character or 2.

Most importantly, they come across the Hatzgang and Robert asks them to take something to his sister at the hospital.

After this, the boys come across Frank, who drops them off in front of the hospital at the same time as Gregor arrives, having been called by Patty to handle the Moloch situation.

At this point, we cut to a corner of hell where a New Demon (hereafter referred to as ND) realizes how long Moloch's been gone and decides to find him.

Back in the human world, the spookies try to follow Gregor into the morgue and briefly succeed, meeting a new mortician character, only for Patty to boot them out.

Afterwards they run into two men, one dressed in a Happy Fella costume and the other being the teased business man character, looking for the room of a severely ill girl who made request with a Make-A-Wish type group to meet Happy Fella, the boys assume the girl in question is Robert's sister, but she isn't and Rob's sister meets Happy Fella at the expense of a far more sick child.

Somewhere around this point we get a side plot involving the thieves looking for something hidden in the church, but their search leads them to the house of an old cat lady, this acting as the episode's major subplot. The item in question likely being cult related.

Back to the boys, we see that Robert's sister has many Happy Fella dolls, one possibly being possessed by Dexter, Skid and Pump naturally start destroying them.

Afterwards, they return to the morgue where Dexter's body has been cremated, releasing Moloch and letting him possess Gregor or Patty, either way, whoever he doesn't possess gets possessed by ND, who arrives at the perfect time start a demon fight! (which ends up being 2 bodies ragdolling in midair and occasionally smacking against each other)

Pump suggests they call Lila, but Skid says she told him she'll be busy, this is then contrasted with a scene of Lila and Jaune in full pisshead mode, when Jaune's husband calls to check up on them.

Then we get the climax of the boys (possibly with the presence of an angelic being) performing a double exorcism.

Annnd, that's it!

Special shout out to @crossover-enthusiast for helping my iron out some of these ideas.

Analyzing the SM6 cast line up teaser

More fun for the non-patrons as a height chart of episode 6's characters dropped and I have *thoughts*

Before we delve into the analysis, be advised that this will reference my SM6 prediction post, which can be found here.

And out last bit of preface

These three new characters teased in an earlier update are hereafter referred to as the businessman, the new mortician and the cat lady.

Bear that in mind.

So here's the 2 lined height chart, so let's start putting names to these blobs!

Line 1: The Thieves, Lila, Skid and Pump, Susie (she's pretty hard to see, but you can mostly notice her shirt and hair), Mr. Wonder, Jaune, Jaune's Husband (who was shown in full in an earlier update).

The next figure at first appears to be another shadow, but upon closer inspection seems to be Father Gregor, after that we have;

The Cat Lady, Dexter (likely in another missing ad or for his body being unpossessed, if for a moment), Patty, John and Jack, then we have the first totally new character, a massive person (taller than Frank, making them the new tallest human in the series) who brings me to my first new theory:

This character, whose proportions are highly evocative of a cartoon vampire, will be either yet another new mortician, or in charge of the hospital's blood bank. Funnily enough, this actually matches weirdly well to a half-joking conversation me and @crossover-enthusiast had the other day.

Line 2: Skid and Pump again (for reference), Ross, Robert and Roy, Kevin, Radford (in his teased casual outfit), the actor in the Happy Fella suit, Mayor Evermore, The New Mortician and then... Roy's Uncle??!?!

This might be my biggest validation yet, as I've had a thought for some time of us first seeing the New Demon in hell, torturing the Uncle, if this ends up being true, I am officially the king of the SM fandom!... Where were we?

Oh yeah, we then have; Ignacio, The Businessman, Frank and yet another totally new character, a portly person I have no solid theories on.

Before I leave, I'd like to mention some characters who are missing here (other than Moloch and any other supernatural characters who might appear). Those being; Lucky, the Actor and Actress and Rick.

Rick is the only notable outlier, as he's a relatively major character, so where is he?

Well, I think Rick's absence is quite simple to explain. While not outright confirmed, Rick is heavily implied to be working at Gonuts in episode 6, meaning he's wearing a new uniform. I think Pelo just didn't want to spoil this, and so left Rick and his new outfit out of the line up.

And that's all I've got! One last note before we're done here, I'm pretty sure next week's update will be the episode 6 trailer, so there's that.

Hollow Sorrows Trailer Breakdown LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

Obviously, if you don't want spoilers, scroll away. If you've already seen the trailer, LET'S GO!!!

So when we first see possessed Patty, she looks mostly normal, you can't even see her demon teeth through the mask yet. John and Jack probably only came in since they heard a scream and/or struggle coming from the morgue.

So we get a shot of the boys being too chaotic, something Gregor points out and what will likely cause the "bad character development" Pelo ahs mentioned.

Also, since it's 100% what Pelo would do, Costume Bob is the guy in the HF suit. Mark my words.

The scene with the hatz is really interesting to me, since Skid and Pump just annoys Roy for a moment and leave. I think this might be all we get of the hatzgang this time, similar to how Frank only had a brief Appearance in Tender Treats. If my theory that episode 7 will focus on Roy is true, this little scene will be very interesting to dissect when the full episode drops.

We actually get out first proper glimpse at a new character and I think this old man is the very last character in the line up teaser

And there's also a pretty good chance he Roy's grandfather and given the way he reacts to the boys antics here, I can definitely see him being a another reasons Roy's the way he is.

If he actually is Roy's grandpa, then @crossover-enthusiast and I's Roy discussions are going to get really fun pretty soon.

Here, Skid is clearly holding a framed photo, meaning this will almost certainly be the first time his father is brought up directly.

Also, yeah, with Pump's line about "hangover spooky month", it seems my theory about Lila in this episode was at least half right.

Yet more proof that the boys' absent parents will be more of a focus. The trailer as a whole gives me some ideas regarding the Wonder parents, but I feel they're best saved for another time.

The boys get into trouble with the cops and I have 2 theories regarding when, either Gregor tries to get them sent home before going to the hospital, but they talk their way out of it, or they actually do get sent home at the end of the episode.

John's expression here immediately makes we think that something Skid or Pump said reminded him of his daughter. Another plot thread that has yet to be directly acknowledged.

Ignacio watches Gregor lead the boys away, maybe he lives down the street from Skid and Lila to keep an eye on them for the cult?

Either way, I'm surprised his appearance won't take place in the hospital as I previously predicted.

"I will be your guide. And I know your parents would be proud of you."

There's something undeniably sinister about this line, but how sinister hinges on whether Gregor is a cultist or ex-cultist. Whatever the case may be, he definitely knows more about or sees more in the boys than he lets on.

A great title card, and thought the blood everywhere is definitely concerning, I don't think there's anything to really say here, just wanted to get a screenshot of it.

And it would appear the character I've referred to as the cat lady will have the unenviable role of a hapless victim to the episode's villain. But honestly, I'm more surprised by her being at the hospital in the first place and why that never occurred to me before.

The actual progression of Patty's possession confirms to she's possessed by something other than Moloch. And what seals it for me is, fittingly, the eyes. The white of her eyes becomes a more vivid yellow, yet her pupil snot only don't form Moloch's typical spirals, but they're a more vivid shade of baby blue, a color that has never had any significance in the series before. Moloch will mostly be trapped in Dexter before eventually possessing Gregor, I will die on this hill.

AND THE FUGGIN' RELEASE DATE!!!

Alright, that's all, only a month now. We're so back!

I saw someone else point out tie-guy as being Richard's dad and like- yeah I can absolutely see it now, but tbh that makes it even funnier bc it implies Roy's uncle got shit luck in the hair department lmao

But also!!

This is also just straight up the dude from the Tender Treats photo

Which makes me wonder why he's even here, if he's supposed to be Richard's dad? Were Richard and maybe even his brother at that barbecue too, just offscreen? Or was he there for something else?

Also looking at it, I think he's the middle guy in that character sneak peak Pelo posted

(note the build and the hair swoop)

Which means the only one of the three we haven't seen yet is the guy on the left

Yeah, don't know how I didn't pick up on him being the man in the photo, but I think you're overlooking the big implications from that.

First off, someone asked if the man next to Bob is someone he knows, Pelo said the only person Bob knew was his "friend" how took the photo. Someone else asked if we knew 'him' and Pelo said yes. Now we know he was referring to the person taking the photo, who I am CERTAIN is Mr. Clown.

Also, given the grandpa's definitely aged since the photo was taken, he isn't/wasn't a cultist, which makes me think Roy's family only became involved with the cult when someone (Bob if it happened earlier, Evermore if it happened later) inducted Richard's brother.

And yeah, I think you're right, he probably is that guy, and not the last person in the lineup.

See the thing is, when the Tender Treats premier was set up, it also had a trailer that focused on making the episode seem as dark and tense as possible.

I think that Hollow Sorrows will have the typical split between light and dark elements, but when it gets dark, it'll be darker.

Also, Lila is obviously hungover, just the dialogue in the trailer tells you she told Skid it's "hangover spooky month" and then he told Pump.

do y’all think the new spooky month episode could be more serious and dark like I know the other past episodes are pretty dark but mostly more funny and goofy but with deadly smiles and tender treats having pump and skid almost having near death experiences and Lila looking more worried and stressed in the trailer it definitely feels like we getting closer to the serious episodes

DUDE DUDE PELO POSTED THIS

It's only PART of the poster according to him, but holy shitttt

Extrapolating from what we see just a bit, I think this is the new demon dropping all pretenses and bursting out of Patty like an undersize shirt.

Gregor's expression is great and the general presentation is tops.

Analyzing the Hollow Sorrows thumbnail for last minute predictions

The first thing I want to say is I didn't look at the cast list, so I don't know if there really is a new demon, but I'm operating under the assumption there is.

The eye in the background is Moloch's, being paralyzed, he's reduced to a watching ghostly presence and a looming threat if New Demon succeeds at freeing him.

The big thing is that Skid is looking at Gregor while Pump is looking at Patty, possessed by New Demon. I think this is symbolic of the role this episode will play in the boys' arcs. Pump is drawn to the more chaotic and unpredictable supernatural events happening in town. Pump is also the one who seems to be more affected by Eyes

On the other hand, Skid is drawn to Gregor, who is heavily implied to be a cultist in this image:

So him manipulating Skid into replacing his father is a distinct possibility. All this supports my idea that the finale episode will see a clash of Skid and the cult against Pump and Eyes.

Also, the fact that Gregor is shadowed in the same way as the villains serves as yet more evidence that his intentions aren't pure.