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I'm on my way to enter right now..

would you go inside?

Hermes: are ya winning grandson?

Odysseus: she's my everything my Penelopeeeeeee!!!

Circe: I pity him

Hermes: You know he killed so many Troyans

Circe points at *him*: Yeah....Ha.....tell me that again!

Hermes: Ody I tell you to sleep with her

Ody and Circe: WHAT????!!!

Circe: Uhm... (looking more closely) for a greasy Nobody, you do have good bone structure

Nymphs: and a symetrical face, if we took a cleaver down the middle of your face, We'll have same portions!.

Circe: and you know, you know, you know this could be beautiful... (getting closer to Ody)

Hermes: Shut Up Heather Circe (pulls away traumatized Ody)

Circe: fine...

*The crew returns to normal*

Odysseus fully awake: We're up, and off and away we go!. Bye! Thanks for the info!

Nymphs: is that man fine, mistress?

Circe: I don't know. He said he ate some molly and now he has been sitting there without blinking for three hours.

Odysseus: begonewiiiitchh

Nymphs: will you turn him?

Circe: I've never eaten a pig intoxicated like this, it might be dangerous. Call Hermes to take him away.

Nymphs: where... where do we find him?

Circe: you're right, it's useless. I'll turn his crew back into men so they'll take him.

BEAUTIFUL ART!!!! I don't have nothing to say, it's majestic, it's so amazing!.

But......he wasn't an incel...he was a victim of sexual assault TWICE!.

He didn't cheat Willingly, ehhhh... with Circe he was forced by Hermes (yes, HERMES said: even then, don't refuse her bed), after giving him the moly.

Also the argument, but he stayed in Aiaia for a year, he stayed there as a way for his crew to recover, she fed them and clothed them; if it wasn't for Odysseus, they would have stayed as pigs or worse: jamón and bacon.

And Calypso.....with Calypso he was a sex slave, he cried everytime, everyday, so daily it became that when Hermes ask Calypso where he (Odysseus)was, she said: ohhh, at the beach crying like everyday....

“Said so the powerfull Argophontes (Hermes), he rosed, and the venerable nymph (Calypso) after hearing Zeus’s orders went where the magnificent Odysseus was.

She found him in the shore, with never ending tears that never dried as his sweet life was being consumed by grief, longing for the Returning (Nostoi), as the nymph wasn’t kind to him. Although at night he slept with her in the concave cave, with whom (Calypso) she longed; the day was spent alone, crying and sitting at the shore, his heart ravaged in tears, screams and pains, contemplating the untameable sea with bitter cries.” V Chant (The Odyssey), Spanish translation

He wasn't an incel, he had a WIFE AND SON who he loved to the moon and back, Penelope was in his lisps everyday in the Illiad and Odyssey and he didn't called himself: Odysseus, son of Laertes, no; he was Odysseus, father of Telemachus.

He didn't love the two (Circe and Calypso) and to add salt to the injury the power inbalance was horrible (they were inmortals, two daughters of Titans, he a mere mortal whose life could have ended in a moment).

What I'm trying to say, it's that though Odysseus was not the best person ever (he was a compulsive liar and more), he wasn't an incel, he was a victim of s.a.

Before I end this, I don't want this post to come across as a hate comment, in the slightess, I really like Circe and her overall ordeal and her charms and all, she gave him instructions, food and shelter in the end; but she admits that he was there against his will, Calypso can die in a hole six feet under, but don't forget and write Odysseus as a womanizer, incel or other things further from the truth, he is not a Hamilton, he's nothing of that.

Sorry for the rant and the painting is beautiful and so so pretty!

i don’t know why odysseus was so scared of a bunch of women, what an incel (circes island)

This post, made me think in a different light some key events and locations, Aiaia and Ogygia, (temptation sites) are, as you said, not tamed places (they are really lush and full of plant life, but not a lot of animals, (except Aiaia, because of Circe); maybe..this is my own crack head idea; maybe the plants represent the true nature of women and the animals men; because there's so few in those places, plants can take root and grow so much; pigs, humans, dogs, etc... stamp little sprouts and make paths in could be natural greenery. It would be funny that Homer acknowledge that part, in the way that men are supposed to tame nature and also women. But in his work the island never stop being lush, Odysseus is the tamed one as he gives himself into Them, not the other way (I came up with this before going to bed, so it may be a stupid thing).

And yes he's changed from Ogygya, he's way more patient with them as both of you stated above.

Circe and Calypso have very different roles in the Odyssey

First the similarities: they're both steps to overcame on his nostos and they're both desirable women (Homer throws bits about Odysseus playing the role of lover/father all around the poem for us to see what could've been and long for this family's reunion).

Only one of them plays a role as an abuser.

Circe has a parallel in Protesilaus, as a deity who has to be tamed through a very specific set of steps, and if done right, will give you important knowledge to go back home. Only in her case, the "ritual" involves intercourse. Because woman 🤷‍♂️. There's no attraction from Odysseus' part but neither from Circe. She must think her life is at risk to look for a way to buy his mercy and then keep on with the rest of the steps. I honestly don't think it's supposed to be about sa but a task. This ritual only ends once both have earned each other's trust. Because of it Circe nurses all the crew back to health for a year along with giving them the info. There's also a subtext of male subduing female (women at the time are seen like untamed nature that men come and civilize, therefore the luscious landscapes both women inhabit), and specifically this type of female who is unwed, doesn't like men and subdues them for her benefit. What we'd call a man-eater. Hehe that pun wasn't intentional but I'll leave it.

Calypso has a parallel in every male god who has taken women for themselves (eyes turn to Zeus), her words not mine. But that's not her main role, I see it as a little something Homer added. She's is the only foe who cannot be defeated by Odysseus himself but with the gods literally plucking him from Ogigia. She's the "game over" screen. Homer directly addresses the theme of sa, like "hey I know we don't really care about women's consent but WHAT IF I PUT LITTLE BABY IN THAT PLACE DO YOU FEEL EMPATHY NOW". I think he does it as a personal artistic liberty and it's honestly heartwarming. But Calypso's role in the myth per se is just temptation. Consider it: a woman, a paradise, eternal life, etc. Things any man would supposedly want (look at it like the very common story about the man who becomes successful and rich so he gets himself a beautiful new wife and leaves his family behind). But Odysseus not only chooses his family but Homer has him crying every day. There's also the bits about him laying with Calypso literally against his will, but that changes between translations: some say he doesn't want "it" specifically, some are more vague. It's clear he's very unhappy with his situation, anyway.

I'll not address the "cheating" because now I'm sure there was no way for a husband to cheat. Ok I'll address it. Odysseus not wanting to bed other women other than Penelope is not supposed to be the standard, is just him being extra. Like a millennial treating their pet like a child. The bare minimum for him to be considered a perfect husband would be just taking good care of Penelope. Yeah, for Homer he's a super-douper, excellent, shiny, glittery husband.

What's my point? Who knows. I just wanted to add to the conversation. I don't think Odysseus is supposed to be a sa survivor in the myth that existed beyond Homer. But I do think it's a really good conversation to have, because yes, for modern standards there's a lot of filth to discuss in there.

So ye.

That might have been a cool way to solve it, but Circe´s role in that might be so messy...(I´m letting imagination run free cause it´s way worse than you might think).

Also it makes Odysseus "children" Telemachus children, and I prefer this over that, but yeah....thematically, character development and so on..The Telegony is awful in all senses. It only creates new character for foundational purposes and does 180º in all preexisting ones, Circe, Odysseus( from faithfull husband to rampant cheater and worse), Penelope(from a wife that was hoping to see her husband to apathetic and marrying a literal child), like, nonono...

Also for better fluff, let Odysseus be with Penelope!! (or the two both die in their loving arms as cute old grandparents or make them inmortal, the two must be united!!!) and when the two goes away; then Telemachus can embark in his journey (Telemachy, it´s also the name of the five books of the Odyssey, hahaha).

It not only avoids the icky parts of the Telegony but get´s a better plot, and maybe if you really want to make Telegonus a thing, make it Circe and Telemachus son, not Odysseus...

Crack Idea where the Telegony is actually about Oddyseus giving Telemachus an adventure of his own to be recognized and remembered as a cool hero or smth, while he enjoys the rest of his years with Penelope ruling Ithica. Telemachus goes on to finish the tasks Odysseus was asked for in book 11.