Man Vs Bear - Tumblr Posts
"Then you should understand people choosing the bear"
I'm a sexual assault survivor. When I was 15, a 55-year-old woman assaulted me and three of my friends at a party where she served a bunch of 15-year-olds alcohol. Way to go Granny.
And I don't hate women. I've stepped in to defend women against attacks from men in city streets or bars. I can't say if they're all sexually related or sexually motivated - they probably were.
But when we get to the question of this, I mean, like I do empathize for victims. I get that.
But the question isn't real. And we all know the question isn't real. It's hypothetical.
I was just at a store. There are hundreds or thousands of people at this Walmart, men and women walking around, doing their thing minding their own business. Not a single woman in there was shifty eyed, dysphoric or afraid of any of the men in that store.
I was just at a restaurant. I was at a bank. I was at a coffee shop. I was walking through a park. No one was afraid of men.
Replace any of those men with one bear and see what happens.
So, because we know it's hypothetical, let's have an adult conversation. Ready?
The existence of the question at all creates bias against men. I can trick you just the same way. I'd say, what do you think more Islamic men use to murder their wives with, guns or knives or rope?
The fact that I asked the question, you go, well why is he asking that question? Do they murder their wives a lot?
The queston is: safety, bear, man, alone. Right, those are the four real words in that question. It is embedding a bias against men. Every woman that has answered that question "bear" has stepped out in public since, has interracted with hundreds of men. The average woman will interact with 300 men per day.
Maybe they'd opted for the bear just cause they wanna mix it up. They're like, I'm getting so bored with the thousands of men that I see every week that maybe I just wanna see a bear.
I don't think you understand the gravity of this question. As a abuse survivor, I'm standing up against a false claim against the nature of men, where one in a thousand men - or maybe just a hair over one in one thousand men - will commit a crime of this nature. It's a very thin number of men.
And as a man whose family was responsible for starting World War I - you know, the assassination by the Black Hand, the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, my family paid for that assassination. We started World War I, which is why World War II happened. Because I'm so closely tied to that genocide, I've studied it.
And, Hitler and the Germans use the same type of questionings and comparative logic to wage war against Jews. I am literally trying to stop thousands of women who don't know any better but than to participate in a trend from creating this wave of propaganda against men.
Someone is trying to use this question against men, and women think it's a cool, dramatic way to say, "I'm afraid of men." But they're really actually not afraid of men. Cause they wouldn't go outside. They wouldn't go shopping. They wouldn't walk through the park. They wouldn't do anything. They'd be so actually mortified of men.
The question appeals to a logical fallacy called the Fallacy of Relative Privation. They're trying to say that because a single man could do more harm than a single bear, that all men are more dangerous than all bears on average. Regardless of the context of the interaction. That strips away all sense of goodwill or truth to the fact that women interact with 300 men per day on average. That strips away the truth that a woman, per male exposure, if you walk down the sidewalk and you see a guy, you have a 1 in 35 million chance of being forcibly [g]raped in that walk by on the sidewalk.
That Fallacy of Relative Privation strips all logic to the fact that men are, by and large, safe. But yeah, 81% of women will report being sexually harassed or assaulted. 43% of men just the same.
The number of people who will experience unwanted sexual contact, men and women, are roughly the same[**]. Men will underreport at three times the rate of women. Men are victimized just as much, but we're stigmatized against talking about it.
Both sides are victims, but men are not doing this campaign to smear women to try to damage the entire, like, gender of women.
Except for me, now. I'm doing what's called logical parallels. My whole argument for the last two weeks has been such: since women assault children, their children, their biological kids at 2.5 times the rate that all men assault women sexually, then women should lose custody of their kids until they stop it. Because, the phrase going around online right now is all men until no men. So, until no women, all women. Women do not deserve custody of their biological kids if any of them are capable of harming a child. Because children are innocent and honestly, all parallels aside, it's the abuse of children that is propagating people who are becoming monsters later on in life.
So, if anyone could make a decision right now to make the world a better place in the next 15 years, it's women not abusing their kids. It's already too late for us as adults. We're already screwed. We all have our trauma that we have to work through, and that's gonna be a dog fight. But if we wanna guarantee the world's gonna be a better place, let's stop abusing kids.
So, the reason why women are choosing the bears is cause it's not a real question and they won't have consequences if they answer in a dramatic way for effect.
Just like the 30-something percent of boys are like, well, dude, if like, there's no consequences, I'd totally take advantage of a chick. See, yeah, maybe people are bad people by nature, but people still obey the law. And that's why if 32% of college men would commit SA if there's no consequences, but then only one out of every thousand men will commit that crime, that shows how much people have discipline over their nature.
And you cannot say the same thing about a bear.
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** The following numbers are taken from the CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) from 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016/2017.
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P.S. I'll just leave this here.
This discourse is from a month ago, but just so we're clear here; I choose the man because when searchers found us they'd at first assume he somehow got hit by a truck and backed up over repeatedly out here in the middle of the woods.
The idea that trans women should be allowed in single sex spaces for cis women is completely contradicted by the man vs. bear discourse. Ignore that I keep going back to the meme - maybe it's still doing numbers, I don't know, but it's good shorthand either way. If you think men are inherently suspicious and dangerous, ask yourself: why does that not apply to trans women?
What, exactly, does a trans woman do to make herself different from men? How are you not advocating a belief in male socialization which can only logically apply to trans women as much as it does cis men? It boggles the mind how, if that's a true concept, one could simply self-identify out it. Yet, the way transradfems talk, literally the only thing that distinguishes an AMAB better-than-bear from an AMAB worse-than-bear is that the former says they're totally better than a bear and you should take their word for it, which if men are really Like That should be of little comfort or security.
Some, even, will make impassioned defenses of butch trans women, which as a butch trans woman is great. But then they'll go on about how evil men are, and how innocent and victimized trans women are, and I wonder, what, exactly, differs an especially trans woman from a man to them? If, like me, a trans butch woman doesn't always wear clearly feminine clothes, has body hair, maybe even a shade of facial hair, and doesn't at all try to train her voice, you're going to be uncomfortable with them right up until they realize they forgot to put their pin on and you see the she/her. Apparently that flips the switch from someone you desperately don't want to be alone with to someone you're totally fine undressing in front of?
All that sounds like TERFism, which is exactly the problem. The transradfem version of reality is one where TERF talking points are completely logical. They are not logical in my version of reality, YOU have constructed a system perfect for them to operate in, that their ideology is fantastic for pointing out errors of reasoning in, as if it was deliberately crafted by them to be deconstructed. I would not at all be surprised if that's the origin of a lot of transradfeminism, a psyop to make the trans community weaker with logic knots that TERFism can swing through like the Gordian Knot.
If you accept man vs. bear, TERFism is the only logical conclusion. If you don't, as I don't, then it isn't.
The only alternative is that you think being a woman is the only thing anyone should be and "choosing" to be a man is morally inferior. Which I shouldn't have to tell you is horrifying. It's also again incongruous with at least your defense of butch trans women - what exactly defines a "man" and a "woman" when a butch trans woman doesn't have to try to pass at all? You are literally saying all of this, gender, transmisogyny, misogyny, hinges entirely on pronouns and a difference of two letters in the name of what they call themselves, someone is dangerous or not depending on if they go by he/him or not.
TERFs will see this and be like "yeah! exactly!" BUT MY POINT IS USING THAT TO SHOW YOU SHARE THE SAME FOUNDATIONAL LOGIC AS THEM. If you don't want TERFs to have a point then you can stop accepting their worldview any day now! Come join me and frolic freely where we think TERFs are wrong!
if you chose the bear, he would throw you a birthday party. i bet chad can't even remember when your birthday is.
You know the “man vs bear” debate going on right now where men ask women if they would rather be stuck in the woods with a random guy or a bear? I would honestly choose the bear. It’s not like I hate men or anything, but…the bear’s going to be in the forest anyways. That’s kinda where they live. I’d rather be in a forest with a bear that’s going to be there anyways than with a random dude that’ll just be kinda annoying. Not to mention, living in a forest by myself and hunting animals literally sounds like something out of a sick fantasy book and would be my dream. (Though I could probably never accomplish that due to my fear of bugs).
A bear might not kill you. As a woman you might get raped then killed and raped again. What are you yapping about?
Haven't seen anyone else addressing how the "feminist" preference for being eaten by a bear over meeting a man alone in the woods is in large part about purity culture and terror of rape.
Like, this whole thing is an obvious reference to older tales where the virtuous maiden flees the wicked men and gets eaten by a bear or fell off a cliff, but at least she died a virgin!
I miss where there was at least a feminist contingent that thought that being raped wasn't a fate worse than death.
"oh you're more afraid of getting raped than of getting killed. That's purity culture bla bla bla"
No bitch, I'm more afraid of getting raped because that shit changes your life forever no matter how much you try to go back to normal, I was almost raped and it changed my life forever, now imagine if I had been raped?
What am I going to do if I die? I'm dead!
If I'm raped I'm still alive and I have to deal with the physical and emotional scars, I have to deal with the feelings of guilt, and feeling dirty, I have to deal with not being able to experience intimacy of any lever again the same way I did before, I have to deal with not knowing if this little thing will lead to a panic attack or a PTSD episode
ok so this is a bit late and a rant but this needs to be said
the whole man vs bear thing is honestly very funny to me but also sad and was on eof the reasons i realised just how diffrently men and women process and veiw the world.
like what women thought of when asked the question was diffrent from whatmen understood, also just man...
let me explain
women thought of safety, women knew this was a thought exersise, the conversation was meant to lead to the bigger conversation of how women feel safe in this world and how unsafe this world is for women and girls,
what men took it as a personal comaprsion betwwen them and the bear which it is but they took it in a diffrent contecxt, they thought it was betwwen THEM, and a bear, that a bear is better than them .
alot of them thought it meant ALLL men, including them personaly.specifcaly them. when no.....pal...no...i assure you no.
no women dont think all men are violent monsters.
no this was not misandrist.
just the fact that even after a alot of explanation alot of boys dint get WHY, and WHAT, exatly was being said,asked,discussed,and meant
sweti, its a bit mixture of hyperbloe, meatphour, a bit genuily serious, and asked in the context of female saftey
infact i beilive if alot of women asked the question if not aware about the discorse and context, would have chosen the man,
but pals,,....its not about YOU.
women and men expirence diffrently thats why men and boys cant fanthom certain female issues.
also no, bringing up the whole man vs tree thing is not the same , cuz its not a safey isuue....u would be alive
which again goes to show that boys took it as a hit on THEM secifcly, THIER charecter ... rather then the issue...so they took a issue (of men not having a safe palce to express emotion) to hit on charecyter of women?
which...um nice..try pal?
not the same level of threat? but stem problem for both IS patriarchy and sexism.
it was about how women feel unsafe. and yes alot of times its around men, but not evry man is like that, but the question dint specify that it was chris evan hansen so yeah...
and man i shoud stop rambleing and touch grass
sory if somethings wrong bit of a vent/ramble
'Cause I fell from the pedestal Right down the rabbit hole Long story short, it was a bad time Pushed from the precipice Clung to the nearest lips Long story short, it was the wrong guy
Long story short, I'm taking the bear
Long story short, I wish I hadn't survived
My female characters responses to "man or bear"
I will always choose the bear. At least the bear would see me as a human being.