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I can't speak on this confidently, as we haven't seen the episode "Gabriel" yet, but I think Adrien's growing resentment towards Ladybug is meant to parallel Gabriel's pipeline into becoming Hawkmoth.

I have also come to the conclusion that Adrien's whole character arc is revolved around the duality of the power of destruction, which I get is obvious, but hear me out. While destruction can cause chaos and harm to others, it also plays a necessary part in tearing down oppressive forces.

Let's talk about this scene.

What this scene has communicated to us is, despite the two of them having seemingly opposite personalities, Adrien is indeed Gabriel's son. What I mean by this is that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree; both have a tendency to get caught up on their projected fantasies involving the people they love.

The position Gabriel is in right now, being Hawkmoth and all, is a direct result of him being unable to process his grief. Much like Adrien and his fantasy of Ladybug, Gabriel clings onto the fantasy of a "better world" with Emilie to cope with his grief and reconcile his guilt. Consequently, Gabriel has now become Paris' biggest threat and he's dealing out collateral damage onto his family (i.e. Adrien and Nathalie).

Adrien is at risk of falling down the same path; Adrien's grief has led to him becoming emotionally dependent on his romantic fantasy involving Ladybug. Even after everything he went through in this episode, this poor boy is still clinging to this damn fantasy for dear life.

Right now, even after everything that happened in Glaciator 2.0, Adrien is still stuck on this cycle of hoping Ladybug will one day fall for him, Ladybug rejecting him and inevitably breaking his heart, him getting depressed and lashing out because of it, him and ladybug reconciling, and then Adrien slipping back into the fantasy again to rinse and repeat.

In order for Adrien to truly develop as a character, he needs to break the cycle. He needs to break the cycle of damage his father is doing to the environment (as demonstrated in Mega Leech), he needs to break the cycle of complacency in his life, and he needs to break the cycle of enabling his father's actions. In order to do that, he needs to stand up to his father and get him to break the same cycle within himself.

If Adrien can't break the cycle, he's going to succumb to it and end up just like his father... or worse.

Chat Noir uses humour (flirting, puns: ie: ladynoir banter) to deflect from talking about sacrificing himself and i have a feeling that's only going to progress during the rest of the season.

since he does it in Guiltrip (EP 11) as well after his suicide attempt.

which, yes, was a suicide attempt.

It was already established for them that the bubbles could be destroyed with their weapons far before he got touched by any of them, so why on earth would he active his cataclysm to use on one bubble. all that'd do is set off his detransformation timer and they already knew the bubbles were regenerating through the walls. it'd just be frankly dumb of him to active his power to destroy even a handful of the bubbles.

but this is about the moment in Lies not Guiltrip skfndmsk

it averts the conversation and it's easier for him to put on his clown mask and make her laugh than talk about his frankly suicidal tendencies.

(It was just earlier this day the Truth confession happened, he knows she appreciates his humor and clowning around.)

he did it in Lies after sacrificing himself. She's distraught afterwards, and before anyone's like well the suit protects them he wasn't that hurt y'all are just overreacting,, it doesn't protect them against just plain fucking gravity ????. He scaled up this building

and then went up farther on his baton before free falling down. the moment he passed through the dome he was paralyzed like the others, meaning that there was literally nothing, not even his hands, to catch him.

He either died on impact or he was stuck lying there in excruciating pain from the broken bones he'd have from hitting the ground at that speed.

and she's rightfully upset, she's scared and distraught and mad.

and he makes a flirty comment and diverts the conversation like he always does.

and what's she going to do? yell at him? tell him not to divert the conversation? and then what? they both know there isn't anything they can do to prevent this from happening and they both know it'll happen in the future. Where it be intentional or not, Chat's the more expendable one, he doesn't have the cure. Sometimes it's either him or Ladybug, and they both know he'll never let it be Ladybug.

He's putting her first emotionally, he doesn't want to cause her more stress than she's already under, and telling her idk how much pain he was in while stuck there paralyzed isn't gonna help. arguing with her about this, something they both know can't change, is just going to make things tense and uncomfortable.

He doesn't want to argue with her during the rare moments they have together.

He's said it before, and I think this episode made it clear with the BTS moments of his daily life as Adrien, the time he's got with her is the most fun he has outside of school. The only fun he has outside of school/schoolmates.

And he barely sees her anymore, she regularly misses their scheduled patrols and while he doesn't blame her for it, he's understanding of her role as the guardian and the stress that's come with it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, it doesn't mean it isn't a harsh reminder of a constant thing he deals with, being alone. It doesn't mean that it doesn't suck that the one positive thing he'd been getting through the day for, through the interviews, photoshoots and everything, and she didn't show up.

and she's visibly struggling emotionally throughout the first three episodes, he knows that and tries to be there for her, but doesn't want their time together to be wasted talking about him and this issue. He doesn't want to be another thing that's stressing her out, beyond the inevitable sacrifice that they both know sometimes is unavoidable. (Gamer 2.0, Timebreaker, Dark Cupid, esc.)

And I don't take her smiling as a "aw the writers are dumb and gross men and don't know how to write characters and here's my two cents on the ooc dynamic i've talked myself into believing is canon"

I take it as her accepting that there isn't anything they can do rn, and at least he's okay. He's joking and flirting and he's alive. That's good enough right now.

Because I can already hear them whining about it: the problem wasn't that Chat Noir didn't listen to Rena Rouge, the problem was that he wasn't told the plan.

That's why he listened to Marinette. Not because he likes her or something but because she informed him of what Rena Rouge was planning.

You know what would be very pretty (as in, poetic cinema) as an ending scene for ML?

Older Adrien and Marinette stepping out of the townhall after their wedding to the first drops of a rainstorm, warmly smiling at each other as Adrien opens the original umbrella in yet another recreation of the iconic scene, complete with an In the rain remix, then them walking out arm in arm towards the Seine with angles reminiscent of the Solitude movie

(except it's not solitude because they're together, finally, and as we say in French, mariage pluvieux, mariage heureux, i.e. rainy wedding, happy marriage)

Was there ever an analysis or theory you have read for a fandom you are in and it is really good but some parts of it are inaccurate/incorrect/incomplete etc. but you press "like" on the whole thing anyway instead of spending time reblogging talking about how you mostly agree with them but then list the small ways you add/correct/disagree with them about their post . . .

*inhale* *exhale*

So now its saved in your "likes" and you just see it as a post you mostly agree with but not fully and you just want to take/remove certain parts of that analysis or theory (or mostly just inject some of your thoughts into a reblog, just adding your take, or at least part of it, on the analysis) but you just don't?

If I had done this I would have had a lot more posts on my page.

Maybe I should just so I could voice some of my thoughts on the matter instead of just letting it bounce around in my head.

Don't want to stay complacent anymore in my regrets and make my thoughts known and speak for myself!

I am one of them. I am a staunch sentimonster Adrien denier and I absolutely HATE the possibility of Adrien being sentimonster, and now I am scared for Felix too!

There is about only one specific theory that makes some sense where I'd probably be OK with Adrien being a sentimonster but even that has it problems when looked further into.

I say this because we might be getting something related to senitmonsters based on some of the clues others have pointed out but I feel its going to foreshadow a twist of a twist, like leading the audience and/or the character astray/one direction/to a red herring only for something to then be revealed as something else, like maybe a character thinking he is a sentimonster only to be revealed something else sentimonster etc.

Or maybe its going to be something like that not related to sentimonsters.

Like maybe foreshadowing/hinting at something else in the future that the audience may not understand yet and so they start developing these theories.

It is like one part of Felix and Gabriel's dialogue in "Gabriel Agreste," in front of the Emilie portrait. It suggests that Felix may be a sentimonster of some sort and that Gabriel is willing to end his existence if he doesn't comply with Gabriel, but simultaneously (maybe moreso) it suggests the same but without Gabriel "confirming" himself to be Shadow Moth [- some people thought it was suggesting this but I felt like it wasn't, but it could be taken as such] and implying Felix thinks he is a sentimonster. It would just be saying that Gabe is already powerful enough and doesn't have to be Shadow Moth in order to destroy Felix's life if he doesn't give him the twin ring (his wedding ring) back.

Its such well written, dubious and scary piece of dialogue!

And Gabriel got out of the whole ordeal thinking he got Felix of his case about Shadow Moth while Felix was one step ahead of him.

That piece of dialogue feels like it is written in way to heavily suggest that Felix is a sentimonster but not outright confirm it.

While I hate the theory of Felix being a sentimonster along with the senti Adrien, he has some convincing evidence for this compared to the senti Adrien theory.

I took a break from writing this post at the end of paragraph and came back to it later and now I am not quite in the same headspace as I was when I was when first writing this but this is pretty much everything what I wanted to say.

So to reiterate: I am a very firm denier of the senti Adrien theory as well as the senti Felix theory and I'd hate for both or either to happen, but for better or for worse I fear something is going to happen.

So, how many of you are out there that still simply deny the Sentimonster theory with all your being?

No, but seriously, that doesn't make any sense.

Sentimonsters don't have free will when someone is holding their amok. They can't resist or talk back or disobey the way Adrien has been doing since the literal canonical start of the series.

Hell, the first time Adrien tried to run away to school Gabriel explicitly told him not to do that again. And what did Adrien do? He disobeyed.

The only other sentimonster that even attempted to resist was Feast and it could only do that because it's amok was in it's stomach. Touching the damn thing wouldn't make a sentimonster more obedient when you're already holding their "free will" in the palm of your hand. Gabriel fiddles with the ring because it's a physical representation of his obsession with Emilie.

Why wouldn't Adrien follow Gabriel when called? He's Adrien's father sperm donor and this is probably the most Gabriel has talked to him since Glaciator 2.

And Adrien being a sentimonster is literally contradicted by Chat Blanc not listening to Gabriel when he ordered Adrien to ash Ladybug.

Also, I won't be acknowledging tweets from creators that have trolled the fandom for literal years.

(No, I will not be taking constructive criticism at this time.)

The statue scene is actually a little more interesting considering we now know that Adrien thinks Marinette is objectively hilarious.

It wasn’t just a prank. It wasn’t just a lonely boy trying to make a relationship with a friend better.

Adrien was trying to joke and banter with her in even the slightest way he does with Ladybug, all without the protection for his heart that comes with all of his masks. All because he wanted to be closer to her.

He just wasn't prepared for how game she would be to that.