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If this is Belos using the Collector's power of reality manipulation to gain possession of the titans heart,

while Collector seems to only use his powers to put Luz, Eda and King in dangerous games

does that mean that Luz being dressed as Belos was his own idea? Because it seems very weird to me that while hexsquad are dressed in clothes from the past, Luz is the only one who, instead of having a past appearance, is dressed as Belos.

There are two options for this to be possible:

1) Collector decides to do this on his own before Belos steals his powers.

2) Belos convinces Collector to make Luz and Hexsquad revert to their past outfits while Luz is dressed as Belos, telling him it's an appropriate way to punish Luz for taking King away from him.

3) Belos, after getting Collector's reality manipulation power to possess the titan's body through his heart, decides to make hexsquad have their past appearances but Luz is dressed as him.

If options 2 and 3 turn out to be true, this would prove that Belos is so obsessed with Luz that he dresses her as him because he wants to turn her into his successor, his heir and protege, or he simply wants to force Luz to see things his way, to be like him.

Taking this into account, now imagine if at some point Eda and Luz meet and Belos sees them together, he would already have two reasons to attack Eda because he would not only believe that Evelyn is still alive but he would feel jealous of the mentor-apprentice/parent-daughter relationship that Eda has with Luz besides Belos would also attack her because he would think that she kidnapped and brainwashed Luz as he thinks that Evelyn did with Caleb. Also let's not forget that Belos is obsessed with Luz and that before he left for the Boiling Islands he told everyone this, especially Luz because she is human and because he knows her more than the others who are with her:

Oh no. I just realized something.

An unstable Belos, who keeps seeing his dead brother everywhere, is currently possessing Raine. And who is most likely to deal with Raine?

Eda.

Eda...who currently has short hair. And whose silhouette currently strongly resembles-

OH FUCK.

If this is Belos using the Collector's power of reality manipulation to gain possession of the titans heart,

while Collector seems to only use his powers to put Luz, Eda and King in dangerous games

does that mean that Luz being dressed as Belos was his own idea? Because it seems very weird to me that while hexsquad are dressed in clothes from the past, Luz is the only one who, instead of having a past appearance, is dressed as Belos.

There are two options for this to be possible:

1) Collector decides to do this on his own before Belos steals his powers.

2) Belos convinces Collector to make Luz and Hexsquad revert to their past outfits while Luz is dressed as Belos, telling him it's an appropriate way to punish Luz for taking King away from him.

3) Belos, after getting Collector's reality manipulation power to possess the titan's body through his heart, decides to make hexsquad have their past appearances but Luz is dressed as him.

If options 2 and 3 turn out to be true, this would prove that Belos is so obsessed with Luz that he dresses her as him because he wants to turn her into his successor, his heir and protege, or he simply wants to force Luz to see things his way, to be like him.

In For The Future it's hinted that The Collector has already started to somewhat learn what friendship is through spending time with King. In particular This Scene:

Where Terra is smart mouthing him. He only looks mildly irritated. More so at the fact that she isn't getting her "role" right. UNTIL she insults King.

Where he's surprised and then they look over At King.

Before getting mad on King's behalf. Which show's that they consider King getting insulted a big No No. Meaning he doesn't want anyone possibly hurting King's feelings with their words.

And then, instead of turning Terra into a doll/puppet for not "playing right" or "being a convincing enough Eda", they specifically state that:

It's because she's being was Mean.

This was a good read. Can't believe I didn't even think of kitsunes as an option until now!

Rats are definitely very cute and very underrated. <3 My sister used to have a pet rat that was very sweet and social.

Oooh now I'm imagining the Collector with a fluffy eastern dragon palisman like Falkor from the Never Ending Story or Sisu from Raya and the Last Dragon. 🥰😍🤩😻

This. ^ This exactly. So unexpectedly good.

Honestly the more I think about it the more I think they could have done some great things with Lilith adopting the Collector.

They could have showed that you don't need a romantic partner/interest in romance in order to want to adopt kids. (The creator's have said that Lilith is aroace.) (All if not most of the parental figures in the show currently are shown to either be widowed, divorced, or in the process of getting into a romantic relationship, etc. Implying that they have had or will have a romantic partner to help parent the kid(s).)

King and the Collector as the type of cousins that are raised really close to each other and thus become besties/bffs. They can still be a great troublemaking duo as cousins. Siblings aren't the only familial relationship that exists for kiddos!

Protective Uncle Hooty. Protective Uncle Hooty. Y'all just know he'd be way more doting on the Collector if they were Lulu's kiddo.

The Collector using his powers to help Lilith construct/restore historical buildings. (He literally made a crown shaped castle, the dude's gotta have some interest in architecture.)

A callback to Lilith trying to protect King and calling him her nephew with Eda protecting/speaking up for the Collector and calling him her nephew. The Collector learning what that aunts/uncles are really supposed to be like, outside of Belos, both with how Eda interacts with them and how Lilith interacts with King.

I've been back and forth on whether I wanted Eda or Camila to adopt the Collector.

But no lie when I saw the Collector working with Lilith to free everyone from being puppets and then walking up to and looking up at her I somehow accidentally 1000% assumed she had adopted them.

...Until it was revealed that he was just giving her Hooty. And that they then left to be alone in the stars, parentless. :/

But I mean come on just imagine how smug about adopting them she'd be towards Eda!

Lilith, busting into the Owl House door with the Collector waddling behind her like a little duckling:

"Hey Eda guess who's the aunt of a powerful godly child NOW! >;3c That's right, its you. Ha!"

A good extended breakdown.

What would the Collectors' Palisman be?

That's what I will be theorizing today!

Kitsune. In my opinion.

What do Foxes represent?

Foxes, generally, represent cunning, playfulness and resilience. They walk the fine line between the wilds and urban living, making the best of both environments. They are adaptable, clever and full of mischief.

One of the most common associations with foxes is their cleverness and resourcefulness. (as said from above) They are known for their ability to outsmart predators and humans alike, and have long been associated with trickery and deceit. (I will be talking about this part early on) This cunning nature has earned them a place in many cultures as a symbol of intelligence and shrewdness. In fact, the phrase "as sly as a fox" has become a popular expression to describe someone who is clever and quick-witted.

Most of these (not all) are personality traits of our Collector.

The Little Prince parallels

The Collector himself, is clearly inspired from "The Little Prince" a story about loneliness, friendship, sadness, and love. The prince is a small boy from a tiny planet (an asteroid to be precise), who travels the universe, planet-to-planet, seeking wisdom. On his journey, he discovered the unpredictable nature of adults. Which is funny because, that's what the Collector is doing right now. He's returning back to the stars, trying to grow by himself - whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. And also to potentially face his siblings again.

They also have a fox plushie under their bed, which can be seen in FtF referencing the Prince's best friend, the Fox. And the Fox to the Little Prince, is exactly what King is to the Collector.

Come and play with me," the little prince proposed. "I'm feeling so sad. " "I can't play with you," the fox said. "I'm not tamed. " "Ah! Excuse me," said the little prince. But upon reflection he added, "What does tamed mean? " "You're not from around here," the fox said. "What are you looking for? " "I'm looking for people," said the little prince. "What does tamed mean?" "People," said the fox, "have guns and they hunt. It's quite troublesome. And they also raise chickens. That's the only interesting thing about them. Are you looking for chickens? " "No," said the little prince, "I'm looking for friends. What does tamed mean?" "It's something that's been too often neglected. It means, to create ties..." "To create ties? " "That's right," the fox said. "For me you're only a little boy just like a hundred thousand other little boys. And I have no need of you. And you have no need of me, either. For you I'm only a fox like a hundred thousand other foxes. But if you tame me, we'll need each other. You'll be the only boy in the world for me. I'll be the only fox in the world for you..." "I'm beginning to understand," the little prince said.

"Please... tame me!" he said.

"I'd like to," the little prince replied, "but I haven't much time. I have friends to find and so many things to learn. " "The only things you learn are the things you tame," said the fox. "People haven't time to learn anything. They buy things ready-made in stores. But since there are no stores where you can buy friends, people no longer have friends. If you want a friend, tame me! " "What do I have to do?" asked the little prince.

"You have to be very patient," the fox answered. "First you'll sit down a little ways away from me, over there, in the grass. I'll watch you out of the corner of my eye, and you won't say anything. But day by day, you'll be able to sit a little closer..."

Language is the source of misunderstandings.

Foxes in Japanese Mythology

Kitsune are foxes that possess paranormal abilities that increase as they get older and wiser. (Which i am speculating is true for Collectors/Archivists) According to yōkai folklore, all foxes have the ability to shapeshift into human form. While some folktales speak of kitsune employing this ability to trick others—as foxes in folklore often do—other stories portray them as faithful guardians, friends, and lovers.

Kitsune have become closely associated with Inari, a Shinto kami or spirit, and serve as its messengers. This role has reinforced the fox's supernatural significance. The more tails a kitsune has—they may have as many as nine—the older, wiser, and more powerful it is. Because of their potential power and influence, some people make sacrifices to them as to a deity. (i.e the Titan Trappers in this case.)

Kitsune are believed to possess superior intelligence, long life, and magical powers. (Similar to Collectors' race) They are a type of yōkai. The word kitsune is sometimes translated as 'fox spirit', which is actually a broader folkloric category. This does not mean that kitsune are ghosts, nor that they are fundamentally different from regular foxes. Because the word spirit is used to reflect a state of knowledge or enlightenment, all long-lived foxes were believed to gain supernatural abilities.

Conversely foxes were often seen as "witch animals", especially during the Edo period (1603–1867), and were thought of as goblins who could not be trusted (similar to some badgers and cats). (And wouldn't you know it, Phillip was born in the early seventeenth century!)

The Two Types of Kitsune

The zenko (善狐, lit. 'good foxes') are benevolent, celestial foxes associated with Inari; they are sometimes simply called Inari foxes in English.

Evil behavior frequently attributed to kitsune is always the work of yako, not zenko. Whereas yako have no interest in advancement in kitsune society, zenko work hard to improve themselves and increase their social standing. Zenko may occasionally play tricks or pranks on people, but they do not seriously harm or kill humans. (At least for him, he didn't think that he was wiping them out of existence)

I'm bored! Is the Draining Spell ready yet? I wanna play and see everything go all… (Imitates screams)

Ooooh, you were maaaad! I thought you were gonna go all… (Imitates screams) …on that kid.

I want to be their friends. And besides, my powers don’t work on King.

You're not being very nice right now.

Aw, you act like I’m doing something bad, but I’m just having fun.

So? Toys break all the time? You just fix’em.

I get it now. You just need kindness and forgiveness, huh?

But I thought, I was doing the right thing.

Luz? Luz? You-hoo! You can come out now. Well, it’s okay. She just broke, so I’ll fix her.

I don’t want anyone to go away, I don’t want anyone else to go missing. I’m sorry for everything!

Leave them to me!

Come on, you can at least do this!

Collector doesn't necessarily want to kill people, like the rest of his siblings. He just wants to play and have fun.

Speaking of yako..

On the other hand, the yako (野狐, lit. 'field foxes', also called nogitsune) tend to be mischievous or even malicious.

Don't bother, beast. You can't run away anymore. It's. Over.

"Oh, let's play a game!", they said. "Let's play hide and seek! You go down there and see if the Titans wanna play!" So I played, and it was great! The baby Titans were the cutest, just like King! And they were all so welcoming! But the Archivists were scared of their power. So one by one, they disappeared, until there was one Titan left. And he thought I was the bad guy! He hid his egg from me and trapped me! But I showed all of them! Even when those trapper jerks started acting weird, even when Belos lied to me, I FOUND KING! I FOUND THE LAST TITAN, AND HE'S MY FRIEND NOW!"

His siblings tricked him into playing with the little titans so they could murder them. Sure, some had malicious intent or some were simply delusional or even both. But in the end, they're all pretty awful people just like yako.

His so called "friend" used him and intended to abandon him.

And now, his new pal that he just made - was lying to him this whole time and had a plan on imprisoning him. (from his perspective)

The closest people to him 𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙠𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙢, everyone did.

I did say I was going to bring up the topic of how foxes are generally associated with trickery and deceit, especially in Japanese Mythology, wasn't I?

Instead of him lying to everyone, everyone lied to him, and instead of him being a complete liar - he's actually a pretty truthful little guy. Keen on friendship and most importantly honesty, you can trust him with anything. That's a major part of his character that is very often brought up in the show.

I just wanted a friend that wouldn't lie to me, or trick me. But everyone's the same. King lied. Belos lied. Even they lied.

Just free me already! You've proooomiiiised!

You need to have more faith in pinky swears.

But... but you said! You said you'd let me out! I hate it here!

You better not be fibbing. You pinky swore me.

Uh, excuse-a-what- now? B—But you said you'd use the Titan blood to help free me!

But you said we were friends! We pinky swore! You LIED! LIAR! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR! Oooohhh, liaaar!

WOOOOAAAAHHHH! You're a liar, liar, pants on fireeee!

Leave me alone. I don't associate with fibbers. 

Wait. You're not tricking me into doing your chores like Philip? Are you?

King! You promised you'd play with me! You pinky-swore!

Though, the possibility of him having a palisman is pretty low - if he does get one and it turns out to be a fox, it'll at least remind him that King truly is his friend and that nobody is lying, or tricking him anymore. He has friends now, true friends who he can turn to in times of support and it'll coincide with his wish of having honest sincere friendship as well.

The Collector and King as brothers Would be very cute.🥰 And Eda is known for collecting kids like pokemon cards. 🤣(Then again, so is Camila.)

Final results mewsings.

Yeah I knew right out the gate that Eda and Camila would both be heavy hitters. Definitely deserve "best mom" mugs.

Also not surprised that Raine is third place since they're amazing. ^u^

But I am surprised that Darius didn't get Any votes! Really? None? Come on y'all Hunter and the Collector would make such an interesting and chaotic sibling duo. Also having beastkeeping Eberwolf be the chaotic uncle of The Collector who was thought to be a huntsman....but turned out not to be. The parallels. The character reflection and development. * Chef's kiss *

Okay now it's King's turn...

Another Steven Universe character that has a lot of parallels with The Collector from The Owl House is actually Lapis Lazuli!

Both were sent to a new world by their superiors for what was supposed to be a fun and/or relaxing time.

But instead both got caught in the middle of a war between two powerful factions that they never signed up for.

Both were confused/mistaken as the enemy by those who they wanted to be their allies. And was consequently trapped away in an object.

Lapis was then found and used as a tool for the Crystal Gems. While The Collector was found and used as a stepping stone for his plans by Belos/Philip.

But then finally they were found by someone younger, a little kid who would eventually become their first ever real friend.

And that friend broke them free from the object with powerful force. Freeing them at last and destroying the object in the process.

Some days ago i did this tweet about how The Collector from TOH is similar with both Pink Diamond and Spinel….

Because i saw people saying they are like Spinel or like Pink Diamond (kinda,  before WaD aired) but honestly they are munch like a mix of both….

For Collector and Pink Diamond, it’s because they are the more small/younger member of the group they were (The Diamond Authority and the Archivists) and not wanting to follow them in they ways (Playing instead of following the Collectors motto in FtF / Wanting his own colony and after changing his mind while discovering life).

And for Spinel and Collector: They were later tricked into something in which they were left alone (or trapped) for thousand years before meeting people who love them (in the case of The Collector, it’s after Belos found him, and with his backstory in WaD) …

…

I’m not sure if i explained this well, but i hope it’s understandable…

Kings palisman would be a rabbit/bunny like Francois

Honestly, the only reason I didn't add Rabbit to the poll is because Rabbit already won in the Collector's palisman poll and I wanted to switch things up a bit.

It's the same reason that I didn't add Fox to either poll, since it was recently revealed that Raine's palisman is a Fox.

Though it Would be very cute to make Francois into a palisman/name a palisman after him. :3

Final results mewsings!

First place goes to Screech Owl! Woohoo! He matches his mama Eda. 😭🥰 So cute.

Second place went to Bat Queen's Kid. While it would be very cute story and lore wise, I can see how it wouldn't really fit his aesthetic. 🤔

Third place yellow duck! Birds are a great choice in general considering he's an official Clawthorne. (I also saw justapikachu1 suggest Vulture in the tags and omg I love that idea!! I wish I would have thought to include that option in the poll.)

Side note: I'm happy that Echo Mouse got so many votes/Fourth place since it's the one that I was secretly rooting for. >;3c

Last place with absolutely no votes goes to lion/tiger! While I agree they don't really fit King's aesthetic, the cat lover/crazy cat lady in me is sad that they got 0%. 🤣

Okay now it's King's turn...

And last but not least for the main TOH kids...

Final Results Mewsings!

First place Sea Bunny!!! 🎉 I'm so glad one of the sea slugs Won ahhh. I'm definitely biased but sea slugs are so cute and deserve more recognition fr fr.

Second place Snail. I had a hunch this one would be popular, and for good reason. Snail's are iconic. They're just such lil fellas. 💅 🐌

Third place Blue Sea Dragon and Fourth place Gecko. Another sea slug and iconic animal. Hell yeah.

I'm surprised Frog and Salamander didn't get more votes tbh. Especially Frogs, who are so beloved on Tumblr lol.

Last place Honey Fungus. Makes Sense, since most palisman or either animal or mythical creature based. There's very few "plant" palisman shown in the show.

Next to last place Sea Angel??? What??? But they're so pretty and they match Vee's color scheme to a T. Craziness smh. 😔

And last but not least for the main TOH kids...

Vee's Palisman Design Sketch

A little design idea for Vee's palisman based on the poll results! 🐌🐇🐰🌊🌿

What do you think their name should be? 🤔

I’m so prepared for how different Hunter will look now that he’s left the castle

He won’t have to wake up by 6am every morning! Since he’s getting sleep, the bags under his eyes won’t be as noticeable

Whole new outfit, he’s not the golden guard anymore. Considering how he’s worn a uniform his entire life I can imagine his fashion sense to be pretty atrocious

Probably new hairstyle/color as he becomes his own person (parallel to Amity dying her hair purple to separate herself from her mother’s expectations)

And I am so confident he’ll change his name from Hunter. Willow calling him Caleb was something that made him perk up and was the narrative reward for him standing up for his friends against the emperors Coven. So I assume he’ll take the name Caleb but who knows!

So…

The titan trappers worship The Collector and they want to kill all of the titans to give him power and Belos works with The Collector…

The Collector that wants every titan dead…

The Belos that claims to act on the will of the Titan and justifies his actions in the name of the Titan…

The Titan that is responsible for the magic on the Boiling Isles…

The Philip Wittebane that is The Belos that proposes the island was hiding magic from him…

…

Nah, Belos seems like a trustworthy titan-fearing man I’m sure he wouldn’t LIE and COMMIT GENOCIDE and JUSTIFY IT THROUGH A GOD HE ACTIVELY WANTS DEAD