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I was rewatching hazbin and I got to the part where Charlie makes a deal with Alastor and he says something about not owning her soul, and that got me thinking, can Alastor even own Charlie’s soul? She’s way more powerful than him, if anything she can own his soul. Like how would that even work? He’s only an overlord, I would doubt he’d be able to own a Morningstar’s soul. Also isn’t it that hellborn don’t have souls, so would she technically not have one? She obviously wasn’t a human before and she’s not an angel, she’s hellborn. I could be over thinking this but I seriously can’t see that he’d be able to own her soul, if she even has one, in the first place.

Theory: if it happened to Sir Pentious then it could happen to Adam.

How funny would it be for him to show up on Charlie's doorsteps begging for help after realizing how bad he just fucked up

Is it just me or do the mouths on the exorcist masks look kinda...

....sewn shut??

I wonder what that's about

I think my first god theory was proven right.

God wants sinners to be redeemed.

Sir Pentious did not show up in front of the pearly gates for Saint Peter to read his name.

God threw him right in Sara's face.

The one who "knew better", who thought she could pass judgement on souls.

If that's not a fuck you, I don't know what is.

Alastor you are the one with daddy issues!

This is an old animatic but it deserves more views.

I don't think it's a stretch to assume Al is projecting his issues on other people. If it's father shaped he fights it.

Exhibit A >>>

Husk: Daddy issues?

(Drunk) Alastor: He can't be an issue. He is d̸̢̺̦͔͔̜̣̳̖͒̾̍͋̚ȩ̸̘̞͚̟̺̳̗̪͇͍͂̽̑͗̒̒̽͛̃̃͛͜͜͜â̵̛̠͚̊͑͐͑͐͑̔̌̓́͂́̓̌̓͂̕͘͝͝ḏ̵̡̱̬̘͖̠̦̩͔͉͔͚̤̩̭̩̝̼̙̱̎̾̓̐͂͂͊͜͠!

Husk: Daddy issues.

Hazbin theory.

Yall know how alastor in his demon form takes in a more wendigo pose?

Well funny thing. When someone is "turning into a wendigo" they tend to go crazy and fully transform when they "eat the flesh of human"

The only way to kill a wendigo is fire to melt their ice hearts.

Also. We know alastor is off putting and rather cold.

Wendigos tend to have " icy heart has led many to believe that burning the Wendigo could kill it."

There generally "cold and snarky"

Like alastor is.

Also I headcannon alastor only killed bad people.

"The Wendigo spirit may find particular individuals easier to possess than others. They favour traits such as selfishness, greed, gluttony, reckless/irresponsible treatment of the environment, or otherwise willingness to put one’s self ahead of others. Traditionally, these traits could be easily found in people who had already been isolated from society, or exiled, due to crimes against their people. Rapists, murderers, and thieves may be easy prey for a Wendigo spirit, and likely make for a smoother transition than someone who cares for their fellow human being, and respects life."

And when someone is turning into a wendigo in the lore. It's said that they get "Wendigo Fever" they lose it. And what I think?

I think alastor never ate humans generally only deer and bunnies and rabbits and stuff like that.

I think alastor only killed people that were bad.

And lost it after that.

And when he killed his victim I nthe woods. He was tempted to eat them this time.

And he did and while that happened? A hunter shot him confusing him for a deer. And dogs mauled him while blood was on his face and he was probably smiling. It'd made his character more creepy.

Maybe he made a deal with someone and In the contract he couldn't stop smiling.

Or maybe he was so insane when he died and first arrived he used a vodoo doll of him and stitched the mouth into a smile.

But im aware wendigos used to never be deerish animals, but seeing how vivzie (idk if I spelled that right) never actually changes the character or looks at something. She never digs deep in the lore. Like how alastor is a black man from Louisiana. And is supposed to look like a talkshow host in the 30s. But his design doesn't look like his backstory. So it's possible she looked into wendigo Lore but never digged deep.

The Price of Entertainment: An Episode-By-Episode Analysis of Alastor's Facade

I don’t think any character in Hazbin Hotel has been discussed as much as Alastor, and it’s a testament to how much the writers put in his character that the mystery of his intentions, past, and contract have been so debated on.

There are some takes I vehemently disagree with, but something a lot of people seem to have settled on is that Alastor is, behind his massive ego and cool-headed persona, insecure about his place in Hell after his long “sabbatical.” I want to do an episode-by-episode analysis of Alastor’s behavior and how Season 1 shifts our view of him from an unquestionably powerful Overlord to something with more depth, and while I won’t be speculating on who owns his soul and how he’ll break that contract in those post, I will take a guess at the future of his character in a narrative sense. I will also implicitly be addressing my issues with some of the conclusions others have made, or at least playing devil's advocate.

NOTE: I want to clarify that none of this is meant to depict Alastor as some poor woobie. He’s still awful. He’s in Hell for several reasons and being a serial killer is only one of them. Rather, I want to analyze what is shown to us about him, and how those story beats can be used to determine where he’ll end up by the finale of the series.

ALSO NOTE: I haven’t followed all of VivziePop’s comments outside of the show about the characters, and it’s possible that certain details have been changed between the release of the pilot and the show, so take any mentions of what hasn’t been explicitly depicted within the show with a grain of salt.

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Part 1: Recap Analysis

This section will consist of commentary regarding Alastor's appearance and behavior in the given episodes, with retrospection based on new information given in later episodes if needed.

“Overture”: Alastor is pretty one-to-one with his depiction in the pilot in the first episode. He’s snarky, open about his sadism, but helpful if begrudgingly so. Interestingly, he’s able to put together a well-edited, if tonally awful, commercial, and probably could have done better if he weren’t intentionally being an ass about it. From the finale we know that he and Vox likely used to have a more magnanimous relationship, and it’s likely that he picked up some tools of the digital trade in that time despite or before being turned off completely by it.

“Radio Killed the Video Star”: Vox effectively plays heel for Alastor this episode as we continue that first impression of the Radio Demon. We spend a good time showing off the former’s power and how far his roots have spread throughout Hell’s society, only for Alastor to effortlessly trounce him and steal from his audience, despite being gone for so long and his position in Hell less stable. This indicates that Alastor does still have pull, but at the same time that his position in the hierarchy of Hell is being contested due to the length of his absence. He deals with it easily here, but we’ll see in subsequent episodes that things aren’t as smooth as they first seem.

“Scrambled Eggs”: In terms of the eggs, there’s not much to talk about. He begrudgingly accepts Vaggie’s request to get rid of them “humanely,” but brings them back to the hotel after they prove to be useful spies.

More importantly, we get our first small hint that Alastor’s ego can be bruised when Carmilla doesn’t humor him during the meeting between Overlords. Now, I actually disagree with a lot of the takes on this episode in that I think it indicates that at least some of Alastor’s views and need to prove himself as a powerful Overlord are the result of self-delusion. Yes, he does need to reestablish himself as a person not to be messed with after being gone for so long, but I think it isn’t as bad as some are making it out to be, which makes his behavior in later episodes more strange and excessive if anything.

Carmilla, who mind you is a busy and stressed woman trying to hide the fact that she’s successfully murdered an angel, hits his ego by not caring where he’s been (something he wouldn’t have revealed in the first place), but she also welcomes him back, which is more than you could say to Velvette and by extension the Vees. And minutes before that, Zestial, who’s probably the highest on their totem pole, does go out of his way to meet with Alastor and inquire about where he’s been. Alastor himself gets over the slight pretty quickly and has no issue contributing to the meeting. Overall, he isn’t necessarily terrifying other overlords, but he still has an established place with them and they do seem to get along well enough. He’s “part of the group” unlike the Vees, who are treated more like upstart outsiders.

I also want to point out that despite Zestial likely outranking Alastor in power, they seem to be alright with each other. Alastor is cordial and does not demonstrate a desire to antagonize him like he does Lucifer in the next episode. Speaking of which…

“Dad Beat Dad”: This episode gives us a lot to chew on and is the first major indicator that Alastor’s issues go beyond wanting to be the center of the room. From the very moment Lucifer walks into the hotel*, his eye is twitching and he is visibly pissed. Lucifer undermining him (notably contrasting Zestial, who is polite despite his power) doesn’t help and makes Alastor let loose his first swear in the entire show. Being the petty bitch he is, Alastor, knowing he can’t intimidate Lucifer in any way, immediately goes for his weak point–Charlie–and plays up the role of a caretaker for her and the hotel. It’s a low blow, but it also feels like a defense–he’s signaling to Lucifer that this is his hotel, that things are taken care of already, and that they do not need his assistance, even though they ultimately do in order to get a meeting with Heaven.

But then things get more complicated with the surprise appearance of Mimzy, who, to the surprise of several characters due to his solitary nature, was friends with Alastor all the way back when they were alive, and she carries a load of implications with her. She’s the only crack so far at what a “human” Alastor is like–apparently he’s a heavyweight drinker, a good dancer, and most notably, in Mimzy’s words, a “sweetheart.” This is a huge departure from the unflappable, egotistical Radio Demon we’ve known up to now, and I think it’s a purposeful choice that we’re hearing this information but not shown it like his early days in Hell just prior. It’s simultaneously left to the imagination but difficult to do so because it contrasts so heavily with everything that has been shown to us beforehand. Another thing is that Mimzy is sure that Alastor will clean up her mess–and apparently this isn’t the first time he has, if Husk is anything to go by. So many people seem to miss this, but Alastor, who hates being tied down or disrespected, has been allowing Mimzy to leech off of him, presumably due to their past friendship making him turn a blind eye.

Alastor is on edge for this entire episode and is already unusually snappy when Husk addresses Mimzy, and pushing the button that was his contract is what sends him over the edge. His temper exploding is a direct result of his feeling that his control over both the hotel (via Lucifer) and his personal life (via Husk’s “doubt” that he can handle everything and that his reputation is what it used to be, plus the reminder of his deal) is being taken away from him. Alastor’s threat to Husk, which seems to not be his usual behavior if Husk’s willingness to show concern and talk back in the first place is anything to go by, is an attempt to remind both of them that he holds the cards, that he’s a powerful Overlord that is not to be trifled with, and he explicitly says as much when he goes out to deal with what Mimzy’s dragged in.

It’s only after he lets his anger out on the mobsters and “proves himself” that he visibly calms down and makes the logical decision to tell Mimzy to leave with a serious attitude, and also doesn’t antagonize anyone for the rest of the episode. It seems like despite his fury earlier, he was listening to Husk, who’s rightfully smug about it. He’s even present when Charlie declares her desire to protect her people, and his smile seems just a tad bit more genuine.

*Note: it’s not impossible that Alastor has some sort of personal grudge against Lucifer which caused his hate-on-first-sight, depending on the circumstances of his disappearance and contract (i.e. if it’s with Lilith).

“Hello Rosie!”: As opposed to Dad Beat Dad, Hello Rosie is arguably where we see Alastor at his most in-his-element. He gives off a lot of conflicting vibes at the beginning, from mocking Charlie’s distress to, in a shockingly honest moment, lecturing her about the importance of a smile to portray strength, a card we’d only been shown due to comments outside of the show. He smugly holds his knowledge over Charlie’s head but is visibly impatient to have her make a blank check of a deal with him, solid enough to benefit him but vague enough so that Charlie won’t feel immediately threatened. He’s clearly been waiting for an opportunity like this since the events of the pilot.

After that, he puts back on his gentleman’s demeanor and introduces Charlie to Rosie, and from here on he’s arguably at his most comfortable in the entire show. He’s relaxed around Rosie and is actually willing to ask for her help (something I can’t see him doing with any other character), casually complains about Susan, is encouraging to and praises Charlie even behind her back, and most notably, gives her his radio cane unprompted. More on that later. He also mentioned wanting to guide Charlie to Rosie specifically, implying that he was being genuine about wanting to act as a mentor to her, though his intentions are probably self-beneficial.

“The Show Must Go On”: The finale is arguably the most revealing episode on what Alastor’s inner world is like, as we see him unmasked several times. For one, his private admission to Niffty, the closest thing he has to a friend within the hotel, that he’s enjoyed watching the other residents connect to each other. This is in direct opposition to his initial (stated) reason for helping the hotel in that he wanted to watch them all fail, and yet he seems content with his initial assumptions being proven wrong. There’s no malice or sarcasm in this moment, he’s relaxed and talking to someone he relatively trusts.

And so he goes into the battle swinging and confident. Then, of course, Adam.

I want to bring up something before we keep going. Yes, fighting Adam without angelic weaponry was a needless risk. Yes, Alastor fell victim to the very sloppiness and arrogance he accused Adam of, and it’s thematically appropriate that he was the only one to lose his battle in that he was fighting for his own ego more than “love.” But also, people seem to forget that Alastor is the only demon in the entire show with a precedent for permakilling without an explicit reliance on angelic weaponry, as the Overlords he toppled in his original rampage seem to have never returned. He’s egotistical, but not stupid. He may have genuinely believed that he had the means to kill Adam himself but didn’t get the chance/couldn’t due to his contract or absence possibly weakening him. But that's speculation for another day.

So, he has to retreat before Adam double-taps his ass and is too injured to return until after the extermination. He makes a grand exit, but not before grabbing the broken pieces of his radio cane. The one he allowed Charlie to use just an episode prior, and presumably is a conduit for his powers, and he grabs it while a murderous angel is inches away from wiping him off the face of Hell.

His portion of “Finale” is the first time we see him singing alone and not playing off someone in a duet. It’s obvious that he’s trying to keep his composure, still speaking to himself in his artificial transatlantic accent (which we now know for a fact he doesn't need to do, seeing as he finally broke character when Adam wrecked his cane) and reassuring himself that he’ll come out on top next time. But here his front shatters and we openly see what the show has been hinting he is for the first time: a deeply paranoid, desperate, and unstable man.

Essentially the worst-case scenario has happened: after a season of interfering with every attempt to capture him on camera, Vox has footage of him at his lowest point for all of Hell to see, and he’ll have “died” a martyr, a weakling, and still in the chains of an unwanted contract. For Alastor, who is so deeply afraid of showing any sign of vulnerability, who wants to be seen as a monstrous Overlord, it’s understandable that this humiliation is enough to send him into a mental spiral and recant any fondness for the hotel in favor of accomplishing his own goals. Worse yet, when we next see him he gives zero indication of any of this even when Charlie and company are simply glad that he's alive, which leaves us to wonder: has he been like this behind the smile from the very beginning?

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Part 2: Closing Thoughts and Future Speculation

With everything we’ve taken note of above, we can start to piece together a picture of who this guy is, and what the writers are going to do with him.

Alastor is sentimental. It’s not just his attachment to older technology or his love for being the center of everyone's attention. He likes being around people, he has friends, one of which he continuously indulged despite her using him multiple times, and he ultimately was starting to enjoy his time at the hotel before his defeat spooked him. Despite him using her, the fact that he was even willing to let Charlie use his cane (and note that he takes it from her as soon as she’s given a substitute, so that is a significant gesture for him) is an implicit display of trust whose implications don’t become apparent until the finale.

But this is paired with deep insecurity. Alastor, despite being one of the most powerful people in the Pride Ring, has a crippling fear of being seen as vulnerable or “lesser” by others. There could be multiple overlapping reasons for this: the general climate of Hell, whatever happened to him seven years ago, his experiences as a mixed-race human living in Prohibition-era Louisiana, his original death, a natural predisposition, etc.

Regardless, this anxiety of his is so overwhelming that, when paired with the ever-present stress of not owning his own soul, it’s driving him insane. He made a splash in Hell upon entry and now he’s desperately trying to reinvoke that in order to defend himself both physically and mentally. He’s the gifted kid who’s slowly going nuts trying to keep up an impossible momentum as they grow older. He’s an ex-human denying his humanity because he doesn’t want to feel human. Everyone’s out to get him, and anyone who could be an enemy is an enemy unless he has total control over them via a contract, power, or the reassurance of years of close friendship. It’s why he’s cordial to Zestial but takes Carmilla (who wasn't even trying to spite him) and Lucifer’s comments personally, in the same way someone with low self-esteem might want to lash out against an authority figure who they feel is looking down on them.

Worse yet, he can’t/won’t let these feelings out and is bottling them up so that no one will know he feels this way (note how quickly he was able to relax in Dad Beat Dad when he was given an outlet for his stress), because that’s a sign of weakness too. It’s honestly kind of frightening that in his final scene he gives zero indication of being injured or of just having had a meltdown. By all outside accounts, he’s his usual chipper self, and no one at the hotel save for maybe Husk, who can’t say anything Alastor doesn’t want him to, would realize anything is amiss. The reason his part of “Finale” is chilling isn’t just because of the implications that he will become an antagonist in the future–it’s that his mental state is so poor that he is no longer acting rationally, which makes him unpredictable in the worst possible way.

I think Alastor’s character arc isn’t going to be redemption by way of going to Heaven, I don't think that place is his style anyway, but rather redemption of his own self-image. I don’t think the writers would make what is arguably the most popular and well-developed character in the show just to say that he’s hopelessly evil and simply end it at that. We’ve been exposed to multiple facets of his character, and while his deeds and probably his intentions are sinister, his underlying motivation for it all seems to be “freedom,” which decidedly isn’t (unless your name is Eren Jaeger).

I do believe that he’ll have his villain moment where he indulges in his worst impulses, but that ultimately it won’t do anything to fulfill him, because as we see in the official comics before the release of the show (which may no longer be canon but still give a viable “baseline” for the characters), when his desire to be feared and respected is granted, it only isolates him. Like the others, he’ll have to hit rock bottom before he can climb back up.

Pentious, who was successfully redeemed, needed to understand that people weren’t out to get him, which allowed him to make the decision to put his friends before himself and trigger his selfless sacrifice. Angel, who’s well on his way to redemption, needed to realize he wasn’t alone and could rely on others, and his confidence and self-love has grown enormously since then. I think these are both lessons Alastor will need to learn eventually as well. He’s the manager of the hotel, but also undoubtedly a patient. He’s hungry for freedom, but only when he learns these lessons will he be truly free.

Or maybe I’m thinking too much into it idk lmaooooo

Really liked that Alastor lost the fight in the finale, actually! A lot of people have been saying that they wished he went full power on Adam, but a theory i really enjoy is that he WAS, but he didn’t OUTPUT what he was expecting.

Alastor canonically rose to becoming an overlord INCREDIBLY quickly. a power no being in hell had ever seen before- I don’t think it’s an accident Lilith picked him, and i’m super curious what would have prompted him to EVER sell his soul as a DEAL DEMON. (And even if he didn’t sell his soul directly, making a deal that would restrict him so badly) Like he knows what that does he must have been DESPERATE. He says specifically both that his wings have been clipped, and also that once he figures his way OUT of his deal he will be pulling all the strings. I think his deal was something to do with his power, or whatever let him rise so quickly to overlord status. He’s not exactly used to being properly challenged.

So when his staff broke, it wasn’t even something he thought COULD happen. It’s not “Oh shit”, its “What just happened?” he holds it out in front of him like he expected it to withstand that attack. But he DOESN’T. It freaks him out so badly he drops everything but the smile for a second. You could say he miscalculated Adam’s power, which, sure, but Alastor is good at picking out weakness, i think he just assumed he could take him, or at least distract him for much longer- he doesn’t seem to have an angelic weapon with him so his job could have just been keeping him busy

when we see him in his studio he is downright hysterical. Because he DID almost die, FOR THIS DEAL. Whatever is tying him to the hotel, he let it almost KILL HIM. And the realization he is not as in control as he thought he was shakes him to his core- he goes back to the shattered radio tower just to feel like himself again, battered and bleeding.

TLDR: Alastor isn’t as in control as he thought he was, and i am very interested to know how he killed so many overlords so fast

Okay so something I've been thinking about is Husk's wings. They have the card patterns on it. He is a cat tho, and I don't think we see a lot of variation like that in other characters. They all seem to stick to one species or genre. But husk has wings? Nah it's giving "My first OC vibes." Then I was like duh!

Because Husk gambled in souls, is it possible for him to like, take their traits?

Man's wanted to fly, so he took someone's fucking wings. Gambled them away. Needed something to help him steer? How about that fucker's feathered tail? Like any trait he gambled to have will have the card patterns on it.

I like to think there is a reason he was an overlord, and it's hard to imagine that without him being fucked up a lil bit.

And remember that post where someone compared how husk used his wings to put out fire (or didn't) compared to how Valentino didn't hesitate to use his to fan it out. I was thinking it's because he hasn't had the wings all that long! It's not quite second nature to him. Especially if we go with the idea that someone gets the instincts of whatever animal they take after. He's a cat. Not a bird. It wont be his first instinct to use his wings, not to put out fire, not in the fight with angels. Man stays on the ground.

I don't really pay attention to anything so idk if this is real and I'm just stating the obvious "It's part of his backstory!" or the opposite like, "No! He spawned in Hell with his wings!"

Either way, I like this idea.

The whole voice cast of Hazbin Hotel is fantastic, like you’ve got Erika Henningson (Charlie) just absolutely nailing the fun upbeat ‘nothing wrong with me everything’s cool! (Please believe me)’ vibes. Then Stephanie Beatriz (Vaggie) killin’ it with the chill no nonsense vibes. And don’t even get me STARTED on Keith David and Blake Roman (Angel and Husk)!

But what I want to talk about today is Alastor and Vox’s voices. Obviously they’re both fantastic, but with Alastor and Vox being polar opposites (Tv/Radio, Red/Blue, etc.) I love how their voices are opposite too! Alastor’s is crackely, with the staticky sound effects but also sorta the reverb of his voice, while Vox’s voice is totally smooth and like… flowy? If that makes sense. I just think it’s really neat and adds another layer of juxtaposition between them, not to mention making ‘Stayed Gone’ sound even more freakin’ fantastic!

I Just Realized Some Things, And Bloody Hell It’s Huge!

With Adam Dead & Gone, Heaven Lost It’s Biggest Opposer To Letting Sinners Into Heaven. He’s One Of The Only Two Angels Who So Openly Opposed To Charlie’s Dream. Without Him There’s Only Lute Left. Which Let’s Face It, Lute Wouldn’t Openly Go Against Sara’s Word, Like Adam Did, Plus Lute’s Only One Angel, What’s Worse Is; She’s Not All That Special, She Doesn’t Even Have A Real Rank, She’s Just Some Random Angel Who Got In Good With Adam & So, Was “Allowed” To Do Things Others Couldn’t.

Adam’s A Fallen Angel Now, Think About It; Do You Really Think The Holy Dagger Was The Thing That Killed Him? I Certainly Don’t. But This Isn’t About His Death It’s About The Possibility That Adam’s A Fallen Angel. He Was A Angel And He Died In Sin, His Halo Is Broken, Lute Took It, Effectively Making Him Again; A Fallen Angel, This Also Keys Into The Hotel; If Charlie Can Redeem Him, I Think Heaven Would Be Even More Inclined To Help Her.

TLDR; Adam’s Dead + Lute’s Powerless = Sinner’s Go To Heaven!

If Val still abuses Vox like stated in the old lore, would he and Angel be able to relate? 

Tw: discussions of abuse

If you weren’t back in the early days of the fandom, back then we barely knew anything about Vox. All we knew was a few limited and obvious things like he was an entertainment overlord and one of the three Vees. 

However, one of the things we later learned about him in a livestream is that him and Val are in some sort of relationship and that Val is obviously abusive towards him. 

This was a part of the old lore and while I’m sure Val can get violent from time to time, it seems from episode two that this new idea of Vox has a lot of control over Val’s anger and wouldn’t really allow him to crack or break his screen.

But back then we didn’t know this. Remember when we thought Val would be the leader of the Vees? 

Considering that we also still thought the Voxtagram stories a were canon and Val is shown to break Vox’s screen often, we had a very different interpretation of him.

And with the popularity of amazing fan song ‘eyes on me’ from paranoid dj that also shows their relationship as abusive at the end of the video, this was all we thought their relationship would be like. (Ok but honestly eyes on me is amazing I listen to it like every week) 

Now, how did this relate to angeldust? 

We knew a lot more about Angeldust because he is part of the main cast, and when addict released the show was making it very obvious that Val was his boss, abuser, and that hurts and affects him daily.

When the show released we get a sneak peak of how manipulative Val is in episode 2 when he convinces Angel to come to the studio, but it is the worst in the infamous episode.

This episode’s entire theme is about Val and just how horrible he treats Angel and has no regards for his feelings, body, or well being.

I could go into more detail on just how bad Val is to Angel, but that’s a sensitive topic that’s been discussed to death already.

But as we see at the end of ‘poison,’ Vox gives Angel a look that I can only describe as smug jealousy. 

Which Vox, I love you, but that is disgusting.

In this frame it’s shown to us that Vox is jealous of Angel because Val focuses a lot of his time on Angel and not him, but… Angel is literally getting raped without his consent? 

Vox may be Val’s on and off boyfriend, but he’s very aware of what Val does to his employees, especially Angel. It’s part of why he works with him.

But comparing someone who youre partly letting get abused in your workplace by you’re friend and work partner to jealously because they are getting abused and beat by that person daily to be jealous of because Angel spends more time with Val than he gets to? 

I’m sorry Vox, but that sickens me to an extreme level.

Of course I could just be reading to far into that one frame, but in the context of the show Vox is an egotistical overlord who is already shown to not care for his own employees. So why would he care about what Val does to his?… except when they are the source of his anger and time.

Now, theoretically, let’s say that in the new lore Val is still abusive to Vox at times. Ignoring how close they were in the finale song in episode 8. 

Val is poison to everyone around him, even the people he’s the closest to.

Would Vox and Angel be able to bond over this? I say no.

Angel is a sinner, which is on the lower part of the class system in hell. It’s normalized that someone like him can be treated however it applies to a contract they signed.

There’s no sympathy for him by others except when they care for him and what it makes Angel do to himself (Husk) or when they know just what goes down in that studio (Charlie) 

But I highly doubt Angel and Vox are any sense of close.

Vox mainly works on his floor, and Angel works in the studio. They obviously have met and vox still has that.. *ew* resentment to Angel, but that’s really it.

Now, vox on the other hand, is a powerful level who is on the same level, if not more powerful that Valentino because he’s the leader of the Vees. 

Even if Val abuses him sometimes, he’s probably… into that. 

Look at that waist and tell me that man isn’t a bottom, you get the point.

Val and Vox’s story hasn’t been told to us yet, but by using background information like a old picture of them from presumably the 70’s and how close they seem, I theorize they met a little after Val died and teamed up to become more powerful. They were a little attracted to one another, but it never did and still isn’t official, even if they look and act gay as hell. (Heh) 

So Vox is on the same level as Val and has been close to him for 50+ years. They’ve had plenty of good moments, even if they are both awful people.

Oh yeah, let’s talk about that.

Since Vox is also on the same level as Val, he still is a awful person as well see in episode 2,4, and 8. (His appearances) 

Even if he Dosent sexually assault his employees, he still treats them horribly, as does Velvette. I assume this is common practice for overlords to treat their souls poorly, but it’s still not a good practice. I feel bad for the fish guy who had to make angelic security on the spot, he looks as stressed as me.

He hypnotizes people into trusting him and buying his technology, which is just evil businessman behavior. Someone said he reminds them of lord business from the LEGO movie, and I see it.

He is also very petty towards Alastor in almost every way, immediately trying to brainwash his audience to not listen to him.

I’m not saying being petty is a sign of being a awful person, but for Vox it contributes.

There’s the… look in episode 4, which I’ve already discussed, but it’s important to note that Vox is in Val’s studio DURING Val shooting and mistreating his stars.

If he regularly does this is then he is more than aware of what Val does to his employees and only gives them disgusted stares back. Like all he sees in them is what Val sees, useless whores for content.

Which is obviously not good lmao

And then in episode 8 (and partly episode 6 if you look into it) 

Vox is shown to have spying technology all over the city which is how he regulates his users behavior. He uses this tech to spy on alastor and the others and make fun of them like he’s watching football. 

At the end of the episode, we see him happily dancing with Valentino and Tounge kissing him, showing us even more that they’re in love in their own sick twisted evil way.

Angel on the other hand, is shown to be better. 

He’s in a hotel for redemption and throughout the season we see him slowly kicking his old habits like self destruction, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, distancing himself, etc. 

(With the help of Husky ofc huskerdust for life) 

And by the end of the season we see Angel being a lot more genuine to the others in the hotel and I only imagine he gets better once they find out it’s possible to be redeemed.

Vox is not shown to want to be morally better in the slightest, if not worse. 

He wants to one up Alastor, he wants to take over hell with the other Vees, and he will do it however he wants because he’s a cartoon supervillain. 

I’m not going to touch on what I Think of Val and Vox as a ship in this but what I will say is that Vox is a cartoon supervillain, doing things that even though horrible in the universe are just seen as goofy to us viewers.

Val on the other hand is scarily realistic, a abuser who manipulates his victims and forces them to have sex for his own benefits. I think that’s the main thing that sets me off for them, even if they are evilly perfect for each other. (So I’m gonna steal vox from Val) 

Vox is in a much different position with Val than Angel is, equal to if not above him while Angel is very below him. We see Angel stand up to him in episode 6, but I just know he was beaten the hell out of the next day and broken even further.

Vox would belittle him, so the only way I see the two even talking genuinely is if Angel starts it.

This isn’t like Angel and Husk, where they’re both washed up losers who are going through situations similar enough to bond, there’s an extreme power imbalance that wouldn’t make it as meaningful as Angel and husk’s talk.

There’s an amazing comic, I’ll add it below, but it’s actually what got me thinking about this topic.

If Vox comes out with his screen cracked after Angel was also hurt just to yell at the other becuase he’s ruining their image, then I see this potentially working.

They could share a sweet line like Angel showing concern for Vox’s cracked screen considering that’s his face and it must feel like having you’re skull cracked open. Angel has probably been driven to that level before.

However I have this one image in my head.

If Vox and Angel are both slightly talking and then they both say, “Val can be… rough.” 

I think that perfectly shows how different the two’s situations are with him.

Vox would say it all horny with a tint of love to his voice, while Angel would say it actually despaired and quiet. They see Val’s actions differently because they are affected differently by it.

Vox isn’t scared of Val because he is on the same level as him, and I think that’s the main reason to why they wouldn’t kconnect.

Besides, both Vox and Angel are either too egotistical or have too many walls up to have a legit conversation about Val without knowing each other at all.

If anything Vox is only a contribute to why Val focuses on Angel so much, their relationship is toxic af and we see in ep 2 that Val likes to get a reaction out of Vox. It’s sick and twisted but I wouldn’t put it against him to do something like that.

So, in conclusion I don’t think Angel and Vox would be able to relate to each other because their situations and relationships with Val are so different, even if Val lets it out on Vox time to time his main target is Angel. Angel gets hurt almost every day and I’d say Vox only gets hurt every couple months on a really bad day.

We know a lot of the lore has changed since the pilot and the Voxtahram stories most of these claims come from arent even canon, so I probably just ranted about nothing.

Regardless Thank you for reading, and goodnight. If you have any genuine thoughts about this feel free to share in the comments and reblogs, I’m curious.

Vees birthdays Roman numerals

What if one of the Vee’s birthday’s (or maybe death days) was May 5th. 5 in Roman numerals is V, so it would be VV. To be VVV, they would have to die on a year ending in V. My idea is that they each died on the 5th of their decades.

Vox died in 1955, Valentino died in 1975, and we aren’t sure what decade Velvette died yet, but since Vox and Val are 20 years apart I’m gonna say Vel died in 1995. Even funnier? They all died on the same day, just in different years.

Death dates 💀

Vox: May 5th, 1955 (Mid-fourties: 48 y/o) Valentino: May 5th, 1975 (Mid-fifties: 56 y/o) Velvette: May 5th, 1995 (Early thirties- 33 y/o) •The ages are my headcanons but the ranges are canon :P

So they all died on V/V/V. That would just be great. If sinners celebrate their death dates instead of their birthdays, then that means they would all have the same birthday. Which would be even better. Just think about how much money would be spent spoiling each other…

I dunno, I just want to learn more death dates in Hazbin and I think this would be hilarious.

Okay hear me out on this Hazbin Hotel theory of mine and so far i haven't seen anyone make this theory

If they are both Adam as in the fairly biblically correct Adam then technically didn't he eat the forbidden fruit too so technically hes also a demon and there for evil by heavens standards but he could be hiding that fact somehow and we technically haven't seen anyone with an Adams apple but im sure it exists in the world of Hazbin & Helluva boss but it would also explain his sexist, rude, and lustful behavior so i think thats going to be reviled at either the end of this season or the end of the show itself

Its just a theory so take my word with a grain of salt it was just a thought i had and i wanted to share it ♡

Funny thing, while I watched episode 5 I joked with my sibling that Alastor hated green and that was why Vaggie was colored with green, after clearing up Vivzie did not say that Alastor hated green I believe I mentioned how it is his fire/'magic' power color...

So, basically, hilarious thing, Vaggie is probably green while the others are shades of blue because she made a deal with Alastor regarding not appearing on cameras anymore to get the comercial.

You know what the ultimately irony of the Alastor-Vox dynamic is?

I’m pretty sure we’re eventually going to find out that it’s actually Alastor who is truly jealous of VOX. Because Vox actually HAS what Alastor is simply pretending to be.

See, as I’ve discussed in previous posts, at this point I think it’s a pretty safe bet that NONE of Alastor’s power is truly his, instead coming from and being bound to the ‘leash’ that he’s on. We hear from Mimzie in the same episode that Alastor somehow was ALWAYS this freakishly powerful. That whereas other Overlords had to build up their power, Alastor somehow already had all this power the moment he appeared in Hell.

Which combined with the whole ‘leash’ reveal and Alastor’s fixation on making deals makes for a pretty easily conclusion to draw: That Alastor actually cheated the system by making a deal with someone MUCH more powerful (Lilith, or someone similar), likely before he even died. And in turn, all of his power is bound TO that deal and whoever his benefactor is.

Which in turn means that literally all of the other Overlords, INCLUDING VOX, have something that Alastor doesn’t: Their power, their respect, their influence, it’s all truly theirs. While Alastor is a FRAUD.

Something that Alastor is very much aware of.

And this is the real reason why Alastor loves messing with Vox:

It’s a power-trip.

Vox, this overlord who has all the things Alastor secretly craves and is likely so jealous of, is actually jealous of him! Vox is obsessed with him, is intimidated by him, actually sees him as an equal if not better. And Alastor LOVES this attention.

Bullying Vox like he does and the attention Vox gives him in return is the ULTIMATE ego-stroking for Alastor. Because he makes Alastor feel like he really is one of these great players with the power, respect and freedom to do whatever they want.

Even though he most certainly is NOT.