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I feel weird about Stolas x Blitzo. First of all, they are technically not childhood friends. They hung out for one day and did not see each for more than twenty years. Blitzo probably didn’t think about Stolas for years. Stolas was the one who remembered Blitzo despite not seeing him for years.

Think about that!

Imagine hanging out with someone for a day as a kid and still thinking about them for more than twenty years. Isn’t that a little weird? Also, Stolas technically doesn’t have to be with Blitzo now. He is a gay man who is single, rich and young(people in their 30s are still young) . Even if it doesn’t work out with Blitzo, he can easily date someone else. No one is stopping him.

You're preaching to the choir. Stolitz never clicked with me and I always saw it as messed up, but I didn't mind it's presence since the show made me think that it being messed up was going to be addressed.

The childhood friendship was retconned in to make it seem more palatable, but, ironically only made it worse.

This is me with Mammon, he would still be my favorite Hellaverse character and one of my favorite characters in general no matter what. But him being a big fluffball spider easily puts him in my all time top 3 characters

Would Husk still be a comfort character for me if he wasn’t a cat? Yes

Has his comfort quality been improved by his fluffy, huggable cat status? Absolutely

It's important to note that when asked in an interview "How did the world of LN get this way?" Dave Mervik responded: "It's what you get when you spend hunders/thousands [can't remember which he said] of years ignoring that question."

I think the Nowhere is a more "primal" realm, one that is majorly effected by the minds and perceptions of those in it. This is why the residents are all named after what they are and/or what they do.

The Nowhere is a sentient, parasitic, almost colonial organism-like dimension that needs to force itself into being perceived to sustain itself, yet in doing so, it only becomes more and more horrific. It's horrors being accepted as a status quo only further warps it, that's why it wants children, they have yet to learn a status quo, it wants them to change it, but it's own corruption sabotages that.

I was thinking about the old LN1 character bios and remembered the line about the Twins being "born to be chefs". Assuming their not native to Nowhere, this would mean they had some violent tendencies before becoming residents, like it was their destiny.

This then made think about the end of tson ep 3 where Otto says the something like "Our world isn't the only world, let alone the predominant one".

All this made me realize that the worlds other than Nowhere may have been created by it (The Nowhere is implied to be sentient in it's own right) specifically to create concepts and injustices that could be used to warp and traumatize children, turning them into visitors and then into residents.

Thoughts?

Alright so this is a great question that I think leads to a much larger discussion about how the Nowhere operates. I would like to hear what other peeps think as well.

So, starting from the Chefs. Personally I always assumed that they are part of that group of characters who are from the Nowhere because of the way their description is worded (and also their baby pictures... this one is so cute lowkey...)

--- But following your train of thought: considering what we know of the Nowhere, it seems to amplify certain characteristics of a person, usually the bad ones. Two kids who are a bit propense to get into fights in the waking world may very well become blood thirsty maniacs in the Nowhere.

Interestingly, the modification of traits does not only apply to personality but also the body -- and usually, the physical changes are in relation back to said traits. For example, the Teacher - someone who is known to be controlling - can extend her neck infinitely to look everywhere and have the ability to blink removed to make sure she's always watching. The Doctor, a perfectionist with tons of authority, is always looking down on people while also growing enormous to match his ego. So on and so forth, you can follow this reasoning for a large number of the Residents we meet.

I think other timelines derivating from the Nowhere is definitely a possibility, as we don't know much of how the universes work there.

The general theory of a multiverse irl is that no timeline has any specific weight or importance over others; they are all parallel no matter how different, with no timeline being "the real one". This is if we view the Nowhere under the lens of it being a separate dimension. In TSON, the Nowhere is kind of implied to be sucking the people most vulnerable to it right in, so perhaps the idea Otto has of it the predominant world stems from the fact that he can't explain his fascination with it... or from a real, genuine desire to somehow "return" to the original land, if that's where the other timelines originated from.

HOWEVER, I would like to offer an alternative perspective on this --- based on what I found out during my research on the Ladies. Yup we're going there again

Rather than the characters themselves, this time I'm going to refer to a symbolism that is very prominent in their lore: Buddhism. More specifically the references to the six planes of existance, and how those can be tied back to Little Nights in a loose way. As stated in this site:

" The six realms of rebirth are a schema in which beings are reborn according to the kind of life they lived. [...] The animal realm, in which inhabitants are driven by basic needs, is one of the three “lower” realms. The other two are the hell realm, a place of constant suffering and torment, and the realm of the hungry ghosts, grasping beings who are never satisfied. The three “higher” realms are the human realm [...] the demigod realm [...] and the god realm, where beings enjoy a life of pleasure. It’s important to note that some Buddhists view the realms as literally real, while others interpret them psychologically as metaphors for the emotional states of the human condition. "

(Click on the link to read the whole thing; I only highlighted the parts I think are relevant to this conversation :] )

What I believe specifically relates back to the Nowhere are the three lower realms, from which the place itself may be loosely inspired by because of how its inhabitants are described.

All of these are things we see in Little Nights from various Residents, depending on the social class and place. It is important to note that while these realms are placed in different hierarchies due to quality of life, they all cohexist together without necessarily being more important than each other as they all have the same purpose in the end.

If the worlds of Little Nights operate in a similar way, then what we're looking at is not really a case of dimension hopping, but rather a passage from a plane of existance to the next. A forced one at that, at least in the case of Noone.

Now, considering Otto's assumption, the idea of the Nowhere being a predominant realm only popped up because he was trying to wrap his head around it and how Noone felt, but to tell you the truth, it is a rather baseless assumption considering he's never been there and is only experiencing it in a very limited way. However... considering how many children from different places in time and space have experienced the Nowhere, sometimes even simultaneously, I wouldn't say that it's completely wrong to assume that the place might be the "original plane of existance".

Now. Reflecting on what you said at the very end, I would like to ask a question back: do you think the Nowhere is, hypothetically, only capable of bringing out the worst in people inherently? Or is it only acting this way because humanity itself is more easily conditioned to fall victim to their bad traits?

I've been recently thinking about it because of the Maw. The writer of Little Nightmares, Mr. Mervik, has stated multiple times over the years that the place has not always been the way that it is; at the same time, he also said that it was not man made, but rather created by collective hunger/desire to be fed. These two things don't make sense together unless you assume the Maw was not originally born for the Guests and the whole cannibal business, but rather from a desire of shelter. A need to be fed. Which is not inherently a bad thing -- and it would explain why the structure itself is so largely built to house so many people, and why children still feel relatively safe in it to this day.

So I find myself thinking that perhaps, the Maw degenerated overtime because the people inside of it (cough its leaders cough) did. And if this is the case for the Maw, who's to say it's not the same for other places? The Nest, for example? The School, the Hospital... etc. But. It is also true that the creatures who inhabit the Nowhere (the Ferryman, the North Wind, the Flesh...) all seem to have their own interests and destructive amusement more at heart than anything. If these creatures are what move the large of the Nowhere (which I guess they are considering the eye symbol is all over the goddman place), then the human will can't really do much.

That being said, I am wondering currently if it could be possible for the Nowhere to bring out something good from a person in the right situation. At the same time, the hopes are incredibly slim. Nonexistent, actually, but it's nice to think about hypothetics.

in your golden goose au, what does Stella think of the Morningstars?

I've yet to get around to seeing Hazbin in any real capacity, so I'm still not decided. But since they'll probably make Lilith a Stella clone, I might make them friends or at least include a scene where Stella and Lilith discuss their similar experiences.

I'm also trying to figure out what the other Sins would think of Mammon's relationship with Stella. Expect something on that in the relatively near future.

Hey, fellow Hatchetfield fans! You seen this magnificent bastard?

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He's named after the Hokey-Pokey.

THAT'S the pun in his name.

You're welcome.

I just had a big brain yet sad thought for Spookyville

Sooo what if Robert's delusions started because of the death of his little sister? Out of grief his mind made him believe he was haunted by her ghost, which ultimately lead him to jump off the roof like Psychoville!Robert did

Then in the present he believes her ghost is helping him, which in reality is just Susie getting Moloch to do things for her

Or: I thought a bit too hard about Robert's family, realized we hadn't touched upon his little sister, and thought "why not cut off the whole family line?"

I kid, but it's either that or the kid deals with the deaths of both of her older brothers

That's great and awful, great idea!