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Chat Noir uses humour (flirting, puns: ie: ladynoir banter) to deflect from talking about sacrificing himself and i have a feeling that's only going to progress during the rest of the season.

since he does it in Guiltrip (EP 11) as well after his suicide attempt.

which, yes, was a suicide attempt.

It was already established for them that the bubbles could be destroyed with their weapons far before he got touched by any of them, so why on earth would he active his cataclysm to use on one bubble. all that'd do is set off his detransformation timer and they already knew the bubbles were regenerating through the walls. it'd just be frankly dumb of him to active his power to destroy even a handful of the bubbles.

but this is about the moment in Lies not Guiltrip skfndmsk

it averts the conversation and it's easier for him to put on his clown mask and make her laugh than talk about his frankly suicidal tendencies.

(It was just earlier this day the Truth confession happened, he knows she appreciates his humor and clowning around.)

he did it in Lies after sacrificing himself. She's distraught afterwards, and before anyone's like well the suit protects them he wasn't that hurt y'all are just overreacting,, it doesn't protect them against just plain fucking gravity ????. He scaled up this building

and then went up farther on his baton before free falling down. the moment he passed through the dome he was paralyzed like the others, meaning that there was literally nothing, not even his hands, to catch him.

He either died on impact or he was stuck lying there in excruciating pain from the broken bones he'd have from hitting the ground at that speed.

and she's rightfully upset, she's scared and distraught and mad.

and he makes a flirty comment and diverts the conversation like he always does.

and what's she going to do? yell at him? tell him not to divert the conversation? and then what? they both know there isn't anything they can do to prevent this from happening and they both know it'll happen in the future. Where it be intentional or not, Chat's the more expendable one, he doesn't have the cure. Sometimes it's either him or Ladybug, and they both know he'll never let it be Ladybug.

He's putting her first emotionally, he doesn't want to cause her more stress than she's already under, and telling her idk how much pain he was in while stuck there paralyzed isn't gonna help. arguing with her about this, something they both know can't change, is just going to make things tense and uncomfortable.

He doesn't want to argue with her during the rare moments they have together.

He's said it before, and I think this episode made it clear with the BTS moments of his daily life as Adrien, the time he's got with her is the most fun he has outside of school. The only fun he has outside of school/schoolmates.

And he barely sees her anymore, she regularly misses their scheduled patrols and while he doesn't blame her for it, he's understanding of her role as the guardian and the stress that's come with it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, it doesn't mean it isn't a harsh reminder of a constant thing he deals with, being alone. It doesn't mean that it doesn't suck that the one positive thing he'd been getting through the day for, through the interviews, photoshoots and everything, and she didn't show up.

and she's visibly struggling emotionally throughout the first three episodes, he knows that and tries to be there for her, but doesn't want their time together to be wasted talking about him and this issue. He doesn't want to be another thing that's stressing her out, beyond the inevitable sacrifice that they both know sometimes is unavoidable. (Gamer 2.0, Timebreaker, Dark Cupid, esc.)

And I don't take her smiling as a "aw the writers are dumb and gross men and don't know how to write characters and here's my two cents on the ooc dynamic i've talked myself into believing is canon"

I take it as her accepting that there isn't anything they can do rn, and at least he's okay. He's joking and flirting and he's alive. That's good enough right now.

Because I can already hear them whining about it: the problem wasn't that Chat Noir didn't listen to Rena Rouge, the problem was that he wasn't told the plan.

That's why he listened to Marinette. Not because he likes her or something but because she informed him of what Rena Rouge was planning.

As I said before Ephemeral, the whole point of the episode was going to be a checkpoint…where are Marinette and Adrien in terms of their development?

We learned that Marinette is not at the point where she can see Chat Noir for who he really is, nor is she completely ready to be vulnerable with her partner. The “identity reveal” plan proves that, as well as her freakout upon learning his identity.

We learned that, while Adrien is starting to be more comfortable with himself, he’s still got a bit to go. He needs more confidence (and probably more information about potential senti-status) if he wants to stand up to his father for good.

Blind love walked them into Gabriel’s trap in Chat Blanc, but Ephemeral is the extra confirmation that it was never their love that destroyed the world. Ladybug is probably going to come out of it thinking that the identity reveal is the problem, but we still know the truth, especially now that it’s been hammered home again. The show is going to keep hammering it in. It’s always Gabe’s fault.

And the reason we see it again this time? Because we’re still peeling back the layers and trying to uncover all the little secrets Gabriel has, and the true depth of control he has over Adrien. We’re not done learning things about that yet.

Anyway, if anyone still thinks the reset made this episode pointless, I encourage you to rethink the way you view the storytelling in this show.

Was there ever an analysis or theory you have read for a fandom you are in and it is really good but some parts of it are inaccurate/incorrect/incomplete etc. but you press "like" on the whole thing anyway instead of spending time reblogging talking about how you mostly agree with them but then list the small ways you add/correct/disagree with them about their post . . .

*inhale* *exhale*

So now its saved in your "likes" and you just see it as a post you mostly agree with but not fully and you just want to take/remove certain parts of that analysis or theory (or mostly just inject some of your thoughts into a reblog, just adding your take, or at least part of it, on the analysis) but you just don't?

If I had done this I would have had a lot more posts on my page.

Maybe I should just so I could voice some of my thoughts on the matter instead of just letting it bounce around in my head.

Don't want to stay complacent anymore in my regrets and make my thoughts known and speak for myself!

I am one of them. I am a staunch sentimonster Adrien denier and I absolutely HATE the possibility of Adrien being sentimonster, and now I am scared for Felix too!

There is about only one specific theory that makes some sense where I'd probably be OK with Adrien being a sentimonster but even that has it problems when looked further into.

I say this because we might be getting something related to senitmonsters based on some of the clues others have pointed out but I feel its going to foreshadow a twist of a twist, like leading the audience and/or the character astray/one direction/to a red herring only for something to then be revealed as something else, like maybe a character thinking he is a sentimonster only to be revealed something else sentimonster etc.

Or maybe its going to be something like that not related to sentimonsters.

Like maybe foreshadowing/hinting at something else in the future that the audience may not understand yet and so they start developing these theories.

It is like one part of Felix and Gabriel's dialogue in "Gabriel Agreste," in front of the Emilie portrait. It suggests that Felix may be a sentimonster of some sort and that Gabriel is willing to end his existence if he doesn't comply with Gabriel, but simultaneously (maybe moreso) it suggests the same but without Gabriel "confirming" himself to be Shadow Moth [- some people thought it was suggesting this but I felt like it wasn't, but it could be taken as such] and implying Felix thinks he is a sentimonster. It would just be saying that Gabe is already powerful enough and doesn't have to be Shadow Moth in order to destroy Felix's life if he doesn't give him the twin ring (his wedding ring) back.

Its such well written, dubious and scary piece of dialogue!

And Gabriel got out of the whole ordeal thinking he got Felix of his case about Shadow Moth while Felix was one step ahead of him.

That piece of dialogue feels like it is written in way to heavily suggest that Felix is a sentimonster but not outright confirm it.

While I hate the theory of Felix being a sentimonster along with the senti Adrien, he has some convincing evidence for this compared to the senti Adrien theory.

I took a break from writing this post at the end of paragraph and came back to it later and now I am not quite in the same headspace as I was when I was when first writing this but this is pretty much everything what I wanted to say.

So to reiterate: I am a very firm denier of the senti Adrien theory as well as the senti Felix theory and I'd hate for both or either to happen, but for better or for worse I fear something is going to happen.

So, how many of you are out there that still simply deny the Sentimonster theory with all your being?

No, but seriously, that doesn't make any sense.

Sentimonsters don't have free will when someone is holding their amok. They can't resist or talk back or disobey the way Adrien has been doing since the literal canonical start of the series.

Hell, the first time Adrien tried to run away to school Gabriel explicitly told him not to do that again. And what did Adrien do? He disobeyed.

The only other sentimonster that even attempted to resist was Feast and it could only do that because it's amok was in it's stomach. Touching the damn thing wouldn't make a sentimonster more obedient when you're already holding their "free will" in the palm of your hand. Gabriel fiddles with the ring because it's a physical representation of his obsession with Emilie.

Why wouldn't Adrien follow Gabriel when called? He's Adrien's father sperm donor and this is probably the most Gabriel has talked to him since Glaciator 2.

And Adrien being a sentimonster is literally contradicted by Chat Blanc not listening to Gabriel when he ordered Adrien to ash Ladybug.

Also, I won't be acknowledging tweets from creators that have trolled the fandom for literal years.

(No, I will not be taking constructive criticism at this time.)

You know I think Chloé was so devastated because she just NOW understood what could've happened if her plan worked in Hawk Moth's advantage. She did betray Ladybug mostly to get back at her, not for evil to actually win. Now she's not just present during TWO apocalypses in one day but also powerless. Now she sees how it looked like from their points of view. Like Magneto when he lost his powers in X-Men 3 and only then realized how far he took the whole situation now that he is one of the people who can't do anything but witness the war HE started. I think this will be important for Chloé's character in the future. I'm not talking about character development but it might change her. She sees how much Paris appreciates Ladybug. She sees Ladybug and Chat Noir still standing "strong" even now when they barely have any chance to win. This will affect her character somehow.

The Lack of Adrien POV is a Problem

Storytelling, by its very nature, promotes an understanding of the protagonist. If not outright sympathy for their circumstances. Even in situations where they are very much at fault.

This can and does extend to any POV characters, whether they are antagonistic in the story or not. The result being that the more we, the audience, see things through a certain character's eyes the more we sympathize with them.

Meaning that the less we see of a character's, even a protagonist's, viewpoint the less the audience will understand said character. Let alone sympathize with them.

Let's take Puppeteer 2 as an example: We start off with Adrien having to do a tedious task that directly results from being a child celebrity. So with very little prompting he invites his friends to go with him in order to be less alone while doing it.

However, no one there prioritizes Adrien's loneliness. The very reason they were invited in the first place.

Instead the narrative focuses on Marinette's inability to accept Adrien's friendship in place of a romantic relationship. This in and of itself is not a bad plotline... Except that it completely subsumes Adrien's plotline about his friends prioritizing Marinette's romantic pursuits over, well, being his friends.

Marinette's embarrassment, resulting from her own actions, over the statue scene is resolved in the same episode.

But the fact that Adrien's friends left him alone is never addressed.

This prioritization of Marinette's POV actively alters the fandom's perception of Adrien.

As far back as Origins, Chloe allowed Adrien to take the fall for something she did. However, because Chloe and Adrien's relationship always takes a backseat to Chloe and Marinette's relationship, or just generally Chloe herself, the fandom takes years to acknowledge that Adrien is also one of her victims.

Adrien's friendship with Chloe is never given the spotlight. Even in episodes such as Despair Bear and Queen Banana the focus is on Chloe's relationship to everyone else.

This lack of priority that Adrien's character suffers from came to a head in Chameleon. While Lila's threat to Marinette was given due gravitas, Lila impersonating Adrien and attempting to ruin his friendships was treated as a joke.

Lila posses just as much of a threat to Adrien as she does to Marinette. If not more so! But because we only see glimpses of Adrien's thought process the fandom is less inclined to empathize with his own struggles against her.

Then there is Felix.

Throughout season four Adrien was isolated and sidelined. Not only in regards to the heroes' changing dynamics but also in regards to his own relationships. We do not see Adrien's reaction to his breakup with Kagami, indeed we barely see them interact at all. We do not see Adrien's reaction to Nino's intentionally hurtful words. When they finally interact there is no reference to it at all.

Even when Adrien's emotions DO take the spotlight the narrative minimizes his feelings in order to prioritize Ladybug. Something that, supposedly, was being built up as a character flaw he would grow out of.

The entire season was building on some grand catharsis for Adrien's character. Some great revelation... And instead the spotlight is almost exclusively on Felix. A character that only showed up for one episode before the two part finale. Giving Felix more focus in three episodes than Adrien had all season despite the buildup. In spite of the buildup. Ignoring the buildup.

And this isn't new. The narrative has basically always prioritized antagonist POVs over Adrien's. Therefore minimizing his impact on the story even when he is at the center of it. Even when it supposedly brings him into focus.

Yes this exactly! They didn’t lose feelings for the other, but because of everything they went through, both believe that being with the other’s alter ego is just not meant to be and thus began showing more attention to the other and their growing feelings for them!

Oh wait are people non-ironically saying that the love square is reversed?

I mean, sure, it may seem like it. Marinette and Adrien may think it is. But let's get real:

Chat Noir didn't reject Ladybug intentionally; he literally misunderstood her

When Marinette says to Luka that "she doesn't hear any melody" for Adrien, Luka replies that "maybe there is too much noise around her to hear it properly." Which, very much is the case. Between her guilt for losing the Miracle Box and her growing feelings for Chat Noir, of course Marinette may think that she isn't in love with Adrien anymore. But she still acts as weird and clumsy as usual around him (totally not the way she is with Luka), which likely means that she still has feelings for him.

So if anything, the love square is disintegrating, or becoming a line or a circle or whatever you want to call it. But the reversing is not permanent.

I LIVE for the contrast between Adrien realising he is in love with Marinette and Marinette realising she is in love with Chat Noir.

Adrien: I think I am in love.

Literally the next scene, Marinette:

Marinette: It's a disaster, I think I am falling in love.

For Adrien, realising that he loves Marinette is wonderful! Of course he loves his very good friend Marinette, who else would he??!

But Marinette is absolutely devasted by the realisation that she loves Chat Noir. Maybe she feels like she has failed on her duty as Ladybug to not let her emotions impact her work. Maybe she feels guilty for rejecting Adrien's love just to realise that she is in love with Chat Noir. In any case, it really pains her.

If we take a step back; in the last four seasons, it was Adrien who was suffering of his love for Ladybug. He cried over her in Glaciator 2. Loving Ladybug pained him, while Marinette, albeit somewhat disturbed by her fear of rejection, hadn't suffered as much so far. Maybe she was repressing it, but that's not the point.

The point is, seems like whoever likes the superhero gets their heart crushed: their duties prevent them from knowing the identity of the person they love (hence causing the whole love square schenanigans) or from loving them freely due to distraction, or worse, risk of destroying the world.

I feel like a broken record since I keep repeating that it is their superhero duties that cause them all the pain, but it seriously is. I think the writers are preparing the base for the Kwamiis Choice, where Tikki and Plagg also realise that and decide to free them from the burden of being superheroes.

This makes sense, but I don’t understand was how Marinette’s trauma of Chat Blanc that was affecting her in season 4 isn’t showing up again in any way when she realizes she’s falling in love with Chat Noir.

I can’t get over how complicated their relationship is and how they described in this season.

Marinette is struggling to cope with having the miracle box stolen from her. Sadly, she sees that her love for Adrien caused her to make a devastating mistake. However, can she be blamed for putting trust into somebody who was convincingly coming off as Adrien? So when she was at her lowest point her partner Chat Noir gave her comfort and devotion after she believed nobody owes it to her. This is the first time she was truly emotionally vulnerable to Chat Noir, opening herself up to Chat Noir in a way she never had before. This complicates her feelings for Chat Noir and Adrien.

Chat Noir now makes sense! He will always be there to help her and wouldn’t judge her. He also has been expressing his love for her since they met. He is the easier choice for her.

However, just as Ladybug feel in love with Chat Noir for being there at her lowest, Adrien has done the same with Marinette. Adrien spent his whole life having his opinion be unimportant and unheard, when he is affected by Risk he did the unthinkable: express his true feelings about his life to Marinette. Marinette uplifts his voice and gave him the encouragement he so desperately needed. This ends up complicating his feelings for Marinette and Ladybug.

How could he have not seen Marinette in that way before! He had felt a change in their relationship after a shared kissed, but was never able to process it without his newfound realization! Marinette brings a lot of comfort to Adrien as he struggles with an abusive and ever changing household.

So now Adrien and Marinette move on from their old loves and indulge in the possibility of new romance. Both feeling comfort and security from their new respective crush. However, now Chat Noir is exclaiming how much he loves his friendship with Ladybug and Marinette is avoiding/dismissing Adrien’s advances.

So when they struggled with bringing a new light to their previous relationship the solution seemed obvious! Why doesn’t Chat Noir and Marinette date? They are both elated and act on the bliss they craved for so long.

But Chat Noir is reminded of his role and power dynamic he could have over Marinette. He is frightened to take advantage of it. We see how people throw themselves at him both as Chat Noir and Adrien. He also is reaffirmed in this fear after Marinette declared to stop having feelings for Adrien. It would be wrong for him to do this to her so he tells her just that.

Marinette who never can catch a break just wants the boy she likes to like her back! She finally had it and it was immediately taken from her. Unbeknownst to Chat Noir, there is no power dynamic that he is taking advantage because she is Ladybug! They are at equal levels and she knows what she wants and him doubting her hurts and angers her.

While we end with them understanding each’s perspective, they are both left hurt of loosing the opportunity to be happy together. And now Monarch knows Chat Noir and Marinette have feelings for one another and will use that to hurt them to get to Ladybug.