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So I saw @hermesmyplatonicbeloved 's post and had some thoughts. I agree and disagree. I am a percabeth fan but I also know that some of it is screwy, and if you are familiar with my blog, you know this. I think RR screwed up and wrote out a LOT of trauma, I think he really should have dealt with that better. I think it's not good that he wrote trauma and mental issues and abuse into the foundation of many characters and then has ignored it when it became convenient for the plot.

I would love to see specific quotes and books for these because some of them I have no memory of and would like to revisit them.

I'm gonna talk my way through all of this so I'm gonna text break here

The first point is Percy scaring her to tears. I can only imagine in Tartarus? Like when they're both in their worst state? I don't know. I agree they should have talked about it, but I think they should have talked about all of HoH, which brings me back to saying: Rick really failed at dealing with trauma and processing and long term effects. Honestly, being scared *of* him, yeah I agree that's bad, but is that the situation? If she's scared by his power, then I'm not sure of where I stand on this, I don't know anyone with demigod powers, but I don't think I'd be scared simply because I know someone is capable of hurting me. Plenty of people are capable of hurting me. Like I don't know, what situation is this?

"Percy has been suicidal the whole time annabeth has known him, in BoO Percy attempts suicide and annabeth said nothing, noticed nothing" I'd really like a page or quote because i remember him being suicidal but never attempting. (Im rereading what i wrote, is this maybe referring to percy deciding it would be better if he drowned when hes with Jason? If so, I thought the book said annabeth wasn't told that he wanted to give up) But really my bigger issue with this statement is the fact that it's not necessarily a bad relationship just because a person doesn't realize someone is suicidal, or if their suicidal thoughts are fluctuating. If he's been suicidal the entire time she's known him, how should she know? And why is it the girlfriend's job to stop him from suicide? Like yeah she should care, but that's not her responsibility. No one should feel responsible for a significant other's suicide unless they encouraged the SO to do it.

The judo flip, I agree, annabeth should have been more sensitive to Percy's past and again, I blame Rick for conveniently forgetting that an abused kid is not going to laugh or even take well to being thrown on the ground. This also reminds me of a post I made a while back, because I was so frustrated by media portrayals of women getting upset (usually worried) about another character and shaking them or hitting them or using some form of violence, and that's portrayed as acceptable and normal and as a sign of love. I'm not a fan of that.

"Annabeth likes to keep percy on his toes" this point, I want specific quotes, cause I'd like to go over it again. I agree this is funky. Percy says he feels more comfortable with annabeth and feels like he can talk to her blah blah, but yeah, I think I remember him saying she makes him anxious and that's a problem for me. Like genuinely, to anyone who reads this: if your SO makes you feel uncomfortable, anxious, nervous, or unsafe, please reevaluate your relationship and be safe. That's not good. And back to percabeth, I'm really not sure why RR would say that.

Bringing up abusive stepfather. If annabeth didn't already know about Gabe...I don't know, that says to me that percy was too traumatized to talk about it, in which case, why can annabeth see it in his actions, his comments, his reactions? I don't know that either. But I do know that having met my fair share of traumatized kids, it's not at all uncommon for them to share trauma as a joke and for multiple kids to laugh it off, not to mention suicidal jokes or jokes about their own abuse. Now I want to be clear, I'm not saying that's healthy, I think that's bad, but I also think it's common. And if annabeth doesn't realize what he's really talking about, or is caught up in her own experience, or is uncomfortable, laughing is not an uncommon response. And I don't think that makes their relationship toxic. (And I'm saying it again: I think Rick wrote that so that people could say oh poor percy and feel strongly about how horrible the situation is, but he didn't want to get into the trauma, so by annabeth laughing it off, he can move on with the scene but include little details that show how bad tartarus is)

I don't remember any comments about poseiden, but I agree her interactions with Tyson are problematic. I have zero explanation or excuse, I really don't know what rick was thinking with that, unless it was maybe a way to signify how all halfbloods feel about monsters? (Now that I've said that, that kinda makes sense, if percy sees a monster who was his human friend, but everyone else just sees a monster who is just like the other monsters who have killed their siblings. But still. Annabeth saying he was gross was uncalled for, Rick could have said she was scared or concerned this was a trick or something, but disgust?)

I agree about Percy's unresolved trauma manifesting as fear of annabeth. I already commented on the judo flip, see comments above.

Percy absolutely has horrible self asteem. I'm not sure that's annabeths problem. Yeah she should support him in every way she can, but it's not her responsibility or anyone else's to make him feel better about himself. She should want to, and she should be positive and encouraging, but I don't think Percy's lack of growth is her problem or necessarily a sign of a toxic relationship. It can be, but I'm not certain it is in this case. I think, as I'm sure you know if you've read this much, Rick doesn't know how to write characters who are further along in their trauma- processing, healing, discussing- rick fails to deal with anything besides a currently traumatized kid and a unresolved but out of the directly abusive situation. (This is where I'd like to note, the whole seaweed brain thing, not funny to me, not cute. I'm not a fan because I do think that encourages negative self image. I am aware that that could be link to annabeths childhood, but again, I would expect her to be hyperaware of this sort of emotional abuse. And I blame Rick. Why does she never have her actual abuse mentioned?)

I don't recall annabeth pushing percy to choose between them. I would have said she had doubts about him still wanting to go to CA and he said that he regretted not being there for Estelle but didn't want to be without annabeth (which is kinda cute, kinda codependent to me, and I agree, codependency is not cute)

I would argue the last point "Percy has no interest in going to New Rome or University" is clearly false. In SoN (2nd book of HOO) Percy discovers there are full families living in New Rome, and how it's safe there, and he says multiple times that he wants that, how he remembers he had a girlfriend named annabeth and he wants her to be there and wants to be able to settle down *there*. And in ChaliceotG he's torn, because he does want to stay in New York for his mom and sister, but he really wants to be with annabeth and he loves new Rome. He says multiple times how he wants to go to New Rome. Its true, if the only reason he wants to go is for annabeth, that's a bit funky. But new Rome is the safest place for demigods, and he's been in wars for years, of course he wants that. And wanting to be out of school- okay? New Rome isn't just about the university, not to mention the New Rome university is focused on kids with dyslexia and adhd, obviously. So it will be tailored to him, his struggles are understood, accepted, and aided. Who wouldn't see the appeal in that?

And finally, I agree, that if a character or couple is going to have broad reach, they should be healthy. That's a problem i have with Colleen hoover and all her toxic relationships that have a large audience and are so loved by that audience. And back to this, I hate that the pjo hoo couples are so focused on in the books because fans always pay attention to the couples, but the focus amplifies them, and I think having a relationship be the main focus of a kids/teen/ya book sets up horrible mindsets, and idolizes relationships and all in all is not good for kids. Percabeth or not, healthy or not, I don't think the emphasis on relationships is good.

I might link some of my other posts that I mentioned or that address similar issues in the reblogs

for some reason reading chalice of the gods made me think of this rlly dumb hc about like, kids of the big three being really "stating the obvious" bc they think its funny

the ground is literally shaking and Percy is like 'guys my dad was rlly angry i think there's going to be an earthquake'

Nico and Hazel looking at the skeleton of someone who's been gone for 200+ years like "Now, we are the experts, so don't be embarrassed for not noticing, but that guy is dead"

Thalia and Jason moments after a huge crack of lightning or when it's already pouring like "Call it child of Zeus intuition but I think it's going to storm"

I'm thinking about Percy passing out in EP 4, and like. To get to that point, the pain had not just kicked in. This boy was in pain for a while before he was no longer able to walk.

I'm reblogging myself to say, I was watching Gilmore girls a couple days ago, and I was watching episode 9 season 2, where they're reenacting Romeo and Juliet. And the only line you actually see besides the final act, is "but soft what light through yonder window breaks" and I got so excited I just

I'm waiting for the day when I'm scrolling tumblr and I see a post where someone was in class or smth and ended up quoting shakespeare like "but soft what light through yonder window breaks" and someone else is like what the heck i didnt know you memorized Shakespeare? And then the OP has to acknowledge the fact that the reason they know that is because of Percy Jackson.

I really appreciate this take. If Rick had explained Percy's absence in the kitchen this way, I wouldn't have thought twice.

I can't express the disappointment I felt when rick Riordan was like nah percy can't cook like ?? Cmon it would make sense that with Gabe gone, and percy at a local school, he could make dinner with Sally every night. Like we all know he's not doing homework, duh, he wants to be around his mom ?? And it would be a really good way to avoid the stereotypes around women cooking and men being helpless.

But on a slightly different topic, I did appreciate the explanation for annabeths cooking skills because there was no way she learned any food skills while she was homeless

Imagine Annabeth and Percy have a kid early, unplanned and it kinda fucks with their finances so Percy drops out of school to get a job so he can care for the kid and support Annabeth in school. At first he gets a job teaching kids sword fighting but then he hears about underwater welding which pays well because it’s dangerous but Percy is a child of the sea so it’s much less so for him. His boss is even willing to give him flexible hours which means Annabeth doesn’t have to take their kid to class anymore and they can actually afford daycare (why does is it the price of a mortgage nowadays???). A huge financial burden is lifted and Percy doesn’t mind the work so it’s good all the way around.

Fast forward to when Annabeth is done her masters in architecture and lands a job at a top firm. They’ve got savings and have Annabeth’s income to rely on. Percy heads back to school and finishes a degree in marine biology, going on to research some really niche topics like how underwater welding impacts the environment and shifting from there until he’s a well known expert in the field.

Just them finding their way. Supporting each other and landing on their feet no matter what

would love it if the last god/goddess percy has to do a quest for is hestia. and all she only asks of him a simple, easy-to-do, done in two minutes task. and then that's it. no tricks or double meanings. and he just sobs into her shoulder at the end of it. and she just holds him and tells him that he's all done. he can go live his life now.

Just saw someone ask the question of why Nico has a black CHB shirt while everyone else gets orange and thinking about this has brought me to the following headcanon:

There's shirts of all and any colours at Camp, but they just hand you an orange one when they first give you one. The only thing you have to do to get a different colour is ask.

Most campers never find out, you can just ask to get a shirt in a different colour.

My Head Canons on the Pjo Character's Middle Names (bc every one of these is so fun to read) [Part 1]

Percy: HEAR ME OUT. I feel like Sally was kind of obliged by her love for Poseidon to name Percy a Greek name. But I feel like otherwise, she would have named him after a famous name in literature, since she loves lit so much. So I feel like his middle name would def be something related to literature. A character, an author, anything. Here are some random examples of names I have so far: Perseus Woolf Jackson, Percy Conan Jackson (bc of Arthur conan doyle AND conan gray cuz she's a livie)

Annabeth: I'm sorry. I can't get Annabeth Rose Chase out of my head. Rose is such a pretty yet such a strong name. It stands for strong feminity, cuz a rose has thorns too!

Hazel: The first thing that came to mind was Hazel Lorelai Levesque. Partly because I liked the name after listening to somebody talk about a show I didn't know about called gilmore girls. BUT it's very her imo. It sounds right

Grover: This was easy in terms of themes. After narrowing it down, I present to you; Grover Rowan Underwood

Leo: Leonidas Valentino Valdez has a nice flow to it ngl, but if someone has better names, please tell me because im not 100% on this

Riordanness is probably right. How much of percy's waterproofness is intentional vs used to be and is now second nature, bc he had to start that. Percy wasn't always 100% waterproof, you know? But also in what ways is Leo immune to fire? Can he get burns? Minor burns? Can he walk out of a burned down building with minor burns? Does he get sunburned? Is his skin flame resistant?

If it's an intentional thing, then yeah a wound could be cauterized. If he only gets minor burns from really high heat or whatever then, yeah it can be cauterized as long as it's extremely hot.

Weird question, if someone was immune to fire could you still cauterise their wounds? Asking for a friend.

there’s smth so sad abt watching percy go from being told he’s gonna die and learning to come to terms with that in pjo

to constantly surviving but wanting to die in hoo

also slightly unrelated but the fact that the one person percy told abt wanting to unalive is now dead is CRAZY

and makes me think that that moment they shared together has died with him

also also i recently saw someone on here say the reason percy no longer tells ppl his plans is bc the last time he did it got someone (bianca) killed and tbh i think this falls into that category as well

he finally tells someone abt wanting to die (bc lets be honest this has been going on since day one he just hasn’t actually acted on them till hoo) then the person he tells goes and dies like not even a year later

it’s definitely not the same like he doesn’t think if hw tells someone they will die but it’s the survivors guilt

the guilt that he wants to die while everyone else is fighting so hard not to and still dying anyway

Maybe he recovers from burns really quickly. So extremely high heat will give him mild burns and they'll be gone the next day sort of thing.

Is the not burning thing only skin deep? Can muscles and other tissues burn?

Also, this is only related because Leo and the extent of his abilities, not about burning, but does it make him unable to die from smoke inhalation? Are his lungs really healthy?? If he can just breathe through smoke, then maybe he can breathe through gases and stuff.

Weird question, if someone was immune to fire could you still cauterise their wounds? Asking for a friend.

Jay absolutely gives Demeter vibes, he seems pretty whole earthy, but so does Cole.

Zane maybe fits hephestus, just because like he could be built by hephestus i guess.

Lloyd as Hades is perfect. Kinda emo, rebels against his dark side (his dad) and his dad is seen as this villain but he's really just a chill dude who loves black and has a helmet.

Maybe Kai and or nya was adopted? Or both? They dont have to be biological siblings. Maybe a centaur adopted them.

I haven’t used tumblr in AGES so excuse my first post for being so messy

So because of my lovely partner here @tricogarfield I kind of got the thought pjo x ninjago (I do this with most fandom) so here’s a few ideas I have idk if I’ll take a deeper dive into it

( this is also more based on pjo and not OoO)

This will mainly be Cole,Jay,Nya,Zane,Lloyd and Kai

( yes I know they have canon elements but I tried to think of a good story too🙏)

Nya and Kai:

So for the siblings my first thought was that Kai should be a child of Hermes or Ares and have the whole Luke arc in a way? But to keep them siblings too but to bring angst I kind of got the idea that have the same mom but differently godly parents.

Look idk how that would fully work out but Nya would be a child of Poseidon mostly because I can see her being a badass woman who starts to argue with the gods

My second thought for her was one of Artemis followers? Mostly because I feel like Kai and her would have gotten into an argument which resulted in a split and each of them going their own ways while Kai gets to deal with Cronos Nya joins Artemis

I don’t know yet so bare with me😞

So for Jay

I know everyone would go for Zeus due to lightning but I kind of can see him more in either Demeter;Apollo or Aphrodite similar to piper? Idk but these were my first thoughts( potentially can also see him as a a child of iris)

I don’t know why these first came into my head but again bare with me it’s only my first thought 😭

As for Cole

Genuinely like the idea of a hephaistos kid because I feel like it would fit however I’m not denying the thought of a Hecate kid as well? Maybe? Idk just thoughts again😖

Lloyd definitely is a Hades kid for me who acts like a Apollo kid. Look I know he’s not dark and gloomy but I feel like it would be so interesting to people if they saw him thought oh yeah Apollo and it’s just a Hades kid 😭

Im kind of stuck on Zane but atm I feel like Demeter or Zeus would fit him? If we’re going by bigger gods but I can also see Hebe maybe?Iris could be interesting too..

Like I said these are just thoughts so I would be very interested if anyone else thought of this

Anyways maybe I’ll talk/think/do more about/for it if people want to?😭maybe designs etc..

If you make content about this ily/p

I just remembered something, so annabeths ankle was still broken when she went into Tartarus right? Like yes it was healing but it still hurt a lot and Arachne being attached to it + falling into Tartarus definitely didn’t help, and we see in house of hades that she occasionally feels ankle pain even with her ankle healed, so that means the ankle probably didn’t heal completely/properly causing her to still suffer from ankle pain long after leaving Tartarus, idrk how to transition from that into what I was gonna say but basically I was thinking that since she has ankle pain and probably will for a while if not the rest of her life I propose: cane user annabeth, I think it’d be cool to kinda show how the mark of Athena quest + falling into Tartarus affected her in the long run by having her use a cane to alleviate some of the pain in her ankle

Sorry if this is kinda rambly I’m tired

Round 378 of things I don't like about pjo. I love these books, I want to be clear about that. But it's gets on my nerves how Rick uses romance. Why does every girl show appreciation by kissing guys on the cheek? I've literally never once seen a girl do that. But Rick LOVES using that as "connection" between characters. Why are there so few characters who aren't in relationships?? Off the top of my head, Chiron and Reyna are the only two I can think of who aren't in relationships and I might be wrong about Reyna. Why did the 7 not bond more with each other? Why did they just separate into couples?? Low-key I feel like Jason and Nico are the only 2 who seemed to have a relationship, and that was mostly later later, AND Jason died, so. Proof that having non romantic relationships kills you I guess.

Closely related to his use of romance is his use of jealousy. If someone knows why every girl is jealous, please let me know because again, because I've known a lot of girls, and jealousy is done poorly imo in pjo. Why is every girl jealous? Are they all that insecure? Why can't he use jealousy as a trait of a couple characters and not give it to ALL of the girls??

Friendly reminder that in The Son Of Neptune, Frank says a HARPY did something that was smart and Hazel glares at him and avoids interacting with him. Like what?? Did Hazel have to get MAD at that?? Where are the girls girls? And what about acknowledging other people/beings' strengths??

leo shouldve learned how to cope with his trauma and his need for validation instead of rick slapping a girlfriend on him and calling it a day. in this essay i will-

We can legally change our names to whatever we want. And our last names really just track our dad's lineage in most cases, and even if we change our names to our mother's maiden names, it's still her dad's name. And more and more people are realizing this.

So are we about to have a wave of Brekkers, Ghafas, Jacksons, ??

This this this THIS!

Really shows how fandoms are welcome to change, as long as it's GOOD change, considering how different the amusement park scene was in the show vs the books. It's nowhere close to the book scene but we are all FOAMING at the mouth over it. It's not change that makes a movie adaptation bad, it's the way you handle it and the way you show complex character arcs that can't be shown on a screen the way it can be on a page

We got so many amazing Grover moments this episode, my heart is WEAK 😭 Plus “Wise Girl”???? “We weren’t alone. It’s easier to forget what’s important when you’re alone.” The cab scene??? The “old married couple” comment???? Guys, we’re dying over here. I swear to the gods, if this show doesn’t get another season…

Percy driving the cab is infinitely funnier than Annabeth telling the cab driver to “keep the change” on the ♾️ Lotus Hotel & Casino card in the books, are you KIDDING me. I can’t actually. This show is too good, I can’t wait for our Underworld scenes next week!!

‘unreliable narrator’ but it’s ’narrator is deeply in love with the person they are narrating’