Honestly The Show Lost Me On Ozzie X Fizz (as Well As Stolitz Had Everything From Circus Onwards Not

Honestly the show lost me on Ozzie x fizz (as well as stolitz had everything from circus onwards not killed it it for me) when bee and Tex were revealed to be a thing, not only that, but happily and proudly in a relationship, which means Ozzie (And by extension Stolas) should have nothing to fear from Mammon or Stella respectively

Honestly Both Stolas and Ozzie should sod off, Blitz and Fizz deserve to be together, as do Mammon and Stella

I think the thing with Ozzie is that as the Sin of Lust, he's supposed to stay out of formal relationships so being with Fizz might contradict his duties. Whilst Stolas is mostly (and rightfully) in trouble for cheating on his wife (yes, it does count as cheating even though you were arranged, you gangly, feathery jizz-rag) and loaning a goetic artifact out to an imp. Bee's relationship with Tex doesn't negatively impact her performance as Sin of Gluttony and their isn't any m'guffin loaning going on, so they shouldn't have any problems.

While there is some questionable stuff involved in Fizzrozzie, most of it is not that serious and Fizz has two hands.

Stolas on the other hand, deserves to have his balls cut off and blended and then he should be forced to drink his own ball smoothie.

Glad you've joined the Golden Goose bandwagon, they're both awesome and are even more awesome together. Definitely have plans for more Mam x Stella stuff.

Any thoughts on the revised version in comparison to the version we discussed, @pinkandpurple360?

I'd really appreciate any feedback. :)

The part of HRM I've had the most fun developing

There's a particular part of Helluva Rewritten Musical that I've been thinking about more than any other. That being the sequence that focuses on Stella and Octavia's relationship and personal issues while their hiding out in Wrath.

Some of this I've only previously shared with @pinkandpurple360 , whose insights about HB's writing and general willingness to help me develop these ideas has been invaluable to HRM as a whole, and especially to this scene.

Bare in mind this is just an early outline, though I plan to keep the specific lines of dialogue as I'm really proud of it.

The sequence begins with Stella, Octavia and Striker entering a hideout Striker had prepared for the Goetia women while they were in hiding with him as their bodyguard. Towards the back of the stage there's a door slightly to the left and a couch slightly to the right.

Stella is very anxious as she recognized Blitz in an earlier scene and decides that for the remainder of their "exile" that she and Via have to disguise themselves as lower rank hellborns, something Octavia says she doesn't know how to do.

This revelation infuriates Stella as she lashes out in indignation that Via can't manifest a disguise, she says she'll explain it to Via later but that in the meantime, Striker has to find a succubus and off them for their asmodean crystal.

Striker nods and exits the scene.

Here Octavia reveals that she tried to learn on her own but couldn't get the hang of it and, due to his self-absorbed and neglectful nature, Stolas never actually helped her manifest a disguise, something Stella herself only learnt by watching her brother practice, as typically only a Goetia's heir is taught the skill.

Stella yells at Via that she needs a moment to collect her thoughts and that they'll back to the disguise talk later.

Stella then goes into another room in the hideout, something depicted with Stella walking through the door at the back of the stage as Via exits stage right, then Stella re-enters through the same door, representing her entering another room and the scene changing.

Here the show arrives at Stella's solo number, wherein she vents her frustration that she's never been listened to despite being a noble, during the song she comes to the realization she isn't frustrated that she hasn't been listened to, but that she's never had meaningful agency over what matters to her (her status, the respect of the Ars Goetia, etc...), except for her relationship with Via.

I've yet to come up with any satisfactory titles for Stella's song, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

After the song ends Stella decides that she has to smooth things over with Via. The scene changes in the same way as before, this time, while Stella is behind the door Via enters stage right, sitting down on the couch, frustrated trying to manifest a disguise. Her attempts are represented by brief moments of purple lighting illuminating her corner of the stage, that's when Stella enters and sit down next to her. The lights only illuminate there half of the stage.

The two talk about the frustration they've been suppressing for as long as they've been living with Stolas, which unfortunately for Via, includes her whole life up to that point, she also expresses anger at her mother and how distant she's been during the affair drama. This gets Stella emotional and prompts this exchange between them:

Stella: I just hope you can understand, Dear. All I've ever had is my place in the world, and now-now I've lost my own and cost you yours. * Stella rests her head in one of her hands as the other stays between her and Via on the couch* What could I ever have now? *Stella's voice is shaky and she clearly feels she's lost everything, she's on the verge of tears*

There's a moment of silence between the two

Octavia: *Takes hold of Stella's free hand and gently moves it over her chest* A place in my heart, mom. You'll always have that. *She lets go of her mother's hand but Stella holds in there for a moment before she slowly pulls it back*

Octavia starts leaning in for a hug but Stella quickly hugs her first, Via is surprised but than happy to finally see her mom feel something positive again.

The lights over the other half of the stage light up showing Striker holding the crystal he was sent to get, he's seen at least part of their exchange, and though he tries to hide it, has obviously been emotionally impacted by it himself.

Striker: I-uh-I ha- *His voice is noticeably warbly before he clears his throat* I have the crystal, ma'am. *He holds it up and pauses for a moment while processing the emotions brought on from seeing such a loving moment from people he'd dismissed as emotionally vacant and vapid husks up until that point* Jus' thought ya should know.

Stella thanks him but also makes a comment about how Via likely won't be using it very long. She than asks Via to remind her of what part of the disguise spell she was having trouble with.

The stage goes dark as everyone and everything is prepared for the next scene.

And that's where the scene stands for now. Really hope someone enjoys reading this as much as I did writing it, there's more HRM to come so keep your eyes peeled! And remember that I'm accepting asks about the project!

I have a theory that the plot of the episode will have another demon come to town looking for Moloch, explaining how both Patty and Gregor get possessed and also prevent Pelo from breaking his rule about not having a character (Moloch) be the big bad of more than one episode.

In case you haven't figured it out, I think Elusive will voice the new demon. (This also might explain his post about Pelo knowing that the new episode is going to cause a lot of shipping, since they both knew Moloch x new demon would be popular).

ELUSIVEVA (JACK, ROSS AND KEVIN'S VA) RETWEETED THIS POST ABOUT THE MANNEQUIN MOVING

LOWKEY THINK HE KNOWS SOMETHING + MIGHT VOICE SKIDDAD

Me again, before you yell at me, read to the end of the sentence I had nothing against Stolitz when it was simply a CRACKSHIP.

Realistically, Stolitz could never have worked, but it was interesting to see how it could, the problems only started when the entire show began revolving around it, and it only got worse from there.

Now Golden Goose I can see genuine reasons why, especially with Octavia:

The main reason being Mammon genuinely treats her like a daughter, where as Stolas only really does when she's at risk of abandoning her lineage and going on her own path, thus incurring Paimons wrath.

(I'd also like to point out he's just flat out a coward, he's the 5th prince of the ars Goetia)

It was inevitable that some fans would ship Stolitz even from the pilot, what shocked me was Viv literally derailing her show to appease said fans.

Stolas is truly an awful father, I understand both he and Stella were forced to have a child, but that doesn't change the facts.

He's an even worse father than Paimon, at least Paimon tried, his attempts were misguided and shallow due to his worldview, but he genuinely tried and took pride in being a good dad, at least in his own eyes.

Stolas is only seen ignoring his daughter or making excuses and empty promises to change. We never even get concreate confirmation that Stolas wants to be a good dad, just that he's willing to do the bare minimum when Via snaps from how miserable her life is now. Said instances of snapping being her only appearances in the show thus far btw.

Mammon and Stella are both such fascinating characters that deserve better, especially with each other :)

See that's the difference between us, you love to hate him, I rabidly adore him, I NEED him to get a happy ending. His one appearance was enough to turn me against Fizz and Ozzie, not that I cared for them that much in the first place, they were never my cup of tea.

I'm proud to say I've been a Mammon for as long as I can remember, and I'm certain I'm better off in life for it!

I just had and epiphany, the only narrative function that Fizz working for Mammon had was giving the audience a reason to dislike Mammon. allow me to explain.

Mam is written in a way relatively similar to Blitz, especially season 1 Blitz, but Viv knew that since most of her viewers are far-left enough that they'd turn on the show if she showed greed as anything but pure evil, so she had to make him "hateable".

From the perspective of Fizz's arc, Mammon's involvement is completely pointless, we already have a villain in Cash and a way for Fizz to end up with Ozzie. Have Ozzie see Fizz at some performance, want to hire him, discover what happened to Fizz in the fire and make his prosthetics, then have them naturally bond from equals and business partners to actual partners.

To make Mammon seem worse, he was introduced in an episode staring an established character he's very toxic to, and we know this is the case because all of Mam's shittyness towards people other than Fizz is played up as endearingly asshole-ish in the classic HB manner.

And the best part? It didn't even work, Mam instantly became a fan favorite, with even hardcore Fizz fans saying "What Mammon did to Fizz was awful, BUT he's amazing and I can't help but adore him."

I can just imagine Viv seeing the community's reaction to the episode and silently fuming, like a preteen bitter that no one wants to sit with her at lunchtime.

Mammon is completely perfect as a villain you love to hate, and like you said he is both evil AND cute. Viv was trying to do a self insert moment here with Fizz, so this theory definitely has some truth.

BUT—

Everyone collectively saw this episode and realised 😅😅😅 holy shit Mammon is just like Stolas and he’s just like Vivziepop!! Mammon broke the fourth wall in the most meta way I’ve ever seen. And he introduced a much needed new meme culture for HBoss that anybody can enjoy.

I guess you can say you either die a Fizzarolli or live long enough to see yourself become a Mammon.

You fool! You released my brainrot about them! Now you must bare all these cute ideas!

Stella spent two and a half decades with a man she can't stand and who can't stand her, this combined with her daughter becoming closed off means it's been a long while since Stella felt genuine affection. Why am I bringing this up? Because we all know that Mam is touch-starved, there is no way in Heaven he is not spending every available moment reminding his swan that she's the most perfect demon ever, this would be doubly significant for them since Mammon's primary love language is 100% touch. Hugs, kisses, nuzzles, gently stroking her hair, every imaginable way someone could appreciate Stella's body and general presence is something Mammon does. Including in the bedroom ;)

Matching. Outfits. So many of them! Stella gets at least as many as Mammon has, same shade of green but with her white and pink accenting it, instead of Mam's black and yellow. If she complains about a given outfit even once the finest tailors Greed has to offer are already at the palace doors and the ones who originally made it just so happen to get dead in an accident with some "faulty wiring".

Since the Sins generally have a less formal and up-tight life style than the Goetic nobility it takes some time for Via and especially Stella to adjust, this actually helps the two bond more as Stella finally feels comfortable enough to let herself actually explore those slight "peasant" interests that have been piling up in the back of her mind her whole life.

Mammon becomes an honorary member of The Gossip Girls(tm) with Stella and her two besties. (Wish someone would make some fan content that expands on those two BTW) Because you just know he has tea to spill.

Via is pleasantly surprised when Mammon first tries to bond with her because, unlike Stol-ass, he comes clean that he doesn't really understand teens and is willing to let her explore her interests and join in on any they happen to share. Initially, as part of his father complex denial, Mam tells himself he's doing it for Stella's sake, but eventually finds himself genuinely having fun with Octavia and soon he's as protective of her as he is of Stella. And yes, he does teach Via how to FUCKING SHRED!

When Mam and Stella eventually get married it's Hell's biggest event in well over two centuries. All of Greed turns into a massive parade celebrating their new queen for at least two full days. No sounds of gunfire, no one getting mugged in allies over 5 souls, no one typing away at new adds for their pyramid schemes, just a celebration of seemingly impossible love.

The actual wedding itself ends up being the biggest non-business expense in Greed's history, every single person involved in the reception is handpicked by Mammon to make sure every single aspect is perfect.

And closing off with some Stol-ass hate: He basically becomes a hermit for a week after the wedding, trying to act like he doesn't care. He does, he so fucking does. To his surprise, he gets a card a few days later, It's a photo of Stella and Mammon kissing at the altar, Mam is holding her in his lower arms while one of his upper arms strokes her hair, she's caressing his cheek. They're both flipping the camera off with their free hand. Stolas turns the card around to see this message written on the back:" I would say sorry, but you don't deserve it. -O".

Mammon x Stella is so fuckin cute, neither of them have to budge even a little from how evil and despicable they are. But they can just be cute together and evil in their own little world

Plus the stepdad thing and Vias rant about corporate shame I saw in one of Chai’s anons makes it even better