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Hot take.

If people would stop hating on endos and trying to make them seem like a joke, and instead focused on education and sharing the differences between CDDs and other forms of plurality, then people would stop viewing plurality at large as a joke and claiming anything "cringe" is an "endo thing" when it's obviously not (looking at fictives heavy systems). By attacking plurality of any kind, you are damaging your own chances of acceptance and respect by others.

You pick on endos for having a lot of fictives and people turn around and then fakeclaim CDD systems with fictives.

You complain about endos not suffering or dealing with amnesia, and how this is proof they are faking, and guess what happens? People are going to fakeclaim CDD systems who have low amnesia or have reached functional multiplicity.

The list goes on. You are not helping CDD systems or yourselves when you target endos. The targets don't magically only stick to the people you think deserve them. They end up on everyone, including yourselves.

Yes, thank you for saying this. I agree with every word.

I really don’t like it when we see people bragging about locking up alters, because that’s usually a fairly unhealthy situation. However if it’s done properly and treated seriously, I have no problems with it. We’ve had to do this exact same thing with alters before. We put them in their own space, gave them their own room (was not the best place ever but our innerworld is fucked across the board anyway) and opened negotiations for what the “dangerous” alter wanted / needed. We then provided.

That alter has no remorse or regret for his actions and even debated his ideas with someone outside of the system which didn’t do much except make him upset. Fronting was what helped this alter change. I don’t know how he’s doing now, but he’s not locked away anymore.

People need to understand that survival is survival and not all parts are gonna be nice / easy enough to placate with the power of friendship and love. Just… no.

I saw a post that said locking alters away is never okay, and I wanted to talk about it but didn't want to derail, so I'm making my own post.

Tl;DR I don't 100% agree with it because there's nuance there.

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Broadly speaking, I agree. Locking up alters can be damaging in a lot of ways: it hurts them, and their relationships to other alters, and can hurt other alters if they disagree with the decision.

Broadly speaking, locking up alters is counterproductive to healing/functionality.

Broadly speaking.

There are also situations in which locking up an alter is the safest option. Times where you don't really get a choice.

I'm honestly glad that most systems never have to think about this, because you only really think about it if you (or someone you know) has lived it.

Alters can do really fucked up things, dangerous things, both in the innerworld and out.

Alters can hurt others.

Alters can kill each other or send each other dormant.

Alters can kill the body.

And yes, in many cases they're doing this because they're trying to help, or they think they deserve it, or because they were trained to do so, or any number of other perfectly understandable and 'healable' reasons.

But some also do it because they think its fun, or because it makes them feel powerful, or just because they can.

Speaking as a gatekeeper/protector, it's my job to keep the system safe. If an alter is not safe to be around, then I need to protect against that.

I think it's important to establish that keeping an alter away from the rest of the system doesn't inherently mean that we're keeping them somewhere inhumane.

We put people in their own area, with space, light, good food, pleasant living conditions, and the ability to choose how they spend their time. We give them access to their hobbies and their favourite medias and comforts. If it's safe, we give them non-physical access to social spaces, guidance, and support. If we think it's safe, we give them in person visits with people we know they cannot harm should they try something.

Locking alters away is not always cruel and violent and brutal, even though you may consider it immoral or unethical.

And quite frankly, even if it is done in ways that are cruel or violent or brutal, if that is what is required for the body to remain functional and alive, then so be it.

You can't do 'better' if you're dead.

What I will say, is that locking up alters should not be a fix all. It should not be what you jump to or immediately reach for when conflict occurs.

It is the final option or it is an emergency stop-gap.

We have a very long list of things to try before we start considering locking someone up. We work with them to understand why they are doing what they're doing, and whether they're open to changing.

If they are not open to change, we respect that and do the absolute bare minimum necessary to keep everyone safe.

A lot of times, they will not be open to changing, and then after some time of us respecting their autonomy and boundaries, they approach us requesting help to change.

I am scared of the response this may garner, but I'm saying it anyway.

If an alter reacts violently to something out of fear, keeping them to one area with none of that thing can be a kindness.

This is a paraphrasing of something said to me by an alter I had 'locked away' for safety.

She reacted badly to change/uncertainty, and said the predictability helped her to learn how to work through her fear and manage it without violence. The system proper was too overwhelming for her to be able to change.

She's now happily living in a quieter part of the innerworld and no longer expresses those fear responses as violence.

This is one example i picked at random, but i have many more stories of locking alters away while they are learning to manage themselves, and then releasing them once they are no longer deemed dangerous.

If you want to judge someone for what they do when they have both time and options when making a decision, then fine.

But judging people on split-second decisions when (potentially) their life is involved, or when they've exhausted all other options, just seems to me to be picking on the vulnerable target.

Hi, DID system who switches between parts and people ways of viewing our system (it’s complicated but yes we do understand your point of view). Yeah, that’s fair and your feelings on this make sense. I get it, and honestly I’m glad you don’t need to do this.

You are right, suppressing parts is not helpful and actually does invalidate them, correct. The thing is, sometimes we have no choice. We have a lot of compassion, at least a lot of us in our system do, to these alters. We know why they act the way they do, and that’s always the first thing we try to understand when we find a part who’s engaging in bad behavior. It helps us shrug off their words, and engage with them without hostility.

The problem is when that part has a lot of power / disruptive ability and also will not / cannot change & they will cause severe external problems. We have had to isolate alters for long periods of time, and since system discovery and therapy, we’ve slowly been uncovering these types of parts, and we’ve had to isolate them on multiple occasions due to trauma reenactment internally. The period where these alters had an increasing amount of access was the worst for our mental health. For us, this is taking responsibility for our alters by ensuring they don’t cause problems externally, our main concern. Every alter we’ve ever isolated / locked up has been a danger to our external life.

When we isolate these alters, and we have the ability to, we will force them to front when it’s safe and help pull them out of whatever time period they think they are. We will talk with them and validate their feelings, and try to figure out a compromise. Usually this ends well. If we can’t do it, then we talk about it in therapy, and if they don’t consent we watch them very carefully while keeping them in isolation. We are very lucky to be able to do so, and so sometimes suppression is again the best solution for other systems. Sometimes it’s dangerous to have certain parts around, depending on the system. Yes they exist for a reason, but that does not mean that any harm they cause should still occur, and safety for the system is more important, unfortunately.

Sometimes this is necessary for a system. It’s not ideal, no, but it’s necessary.

Also, as a note, we have a lot of internal control in our system which is why this is even possible. We have a power hierarchy and the higher ups can do a lot depending on how well the brain works with them. This includes inducing dormancy, controlling fronting, and increasing / decreasing amnesia barriers to an extent. They are like a government here.

I switched in just now— I’m an alter in our system who was mismanaged and locked up in a horrific way that traumatized me internally and later was slowly rehabilitated properly as we learned. I do agree with this message but I do urge people who do this to try to not mismanage your alters and to treat them with respect regardless.Thanks. — O

maybe it is because i view myself and my system as “parts of a whole” but i’ve never understood the idea of locking away alters who are doing bad actions.

i have at least one part whose whole identity at this moment in time is parroting abusive rhetoric from my parents. they can be cruel and mean and sometimes they go as far as to purposefully trigger us in hopes that we spiral and crash. but i know that this part is 1. a part of me as a whole and 2. a part that was created for a reason.

suppressing a part of myself wont help this part, one that is clearly hurting and still living in trauma times. if i lock this part away im just telling them that what they feel doesnt matter and that i dont care about their attempts to help. my brain couldnt contend with the things my parents said and did to me, so it made a part of me that believed them and told the rest of me the same things. if i believed what my parents said, it didnt hurt as much when they said it.

this part of me lives in trauma time still. they think that this belief is still necessary to keep me safe, as evident by them getting louder when my anxiety is already bad. approaching them with compassion and understanding has helped 1000x more than any attempts i did at suppressing them.

im not saying its easy, and im not saying theyre completely on board with therapy and change. but this part doesnt yell abuse at me anymore. this part isnt as cruel.

Yep, I agree that people should go to other options first. I do know that a lot of people do suppress their alters and ignore their pain, but not all systems do that. I appreciate you recognizing that this works for us. :)

At the end of the day what matters is that all alters are given a chance at a new perspective and are given understanding and a place to put their pain. All parts should be treated with respect, regardless of what they’ve done.

maybe it is because i view myself and my system as “parts of a whole” but i’ve never understood the idea of locking away alters who are doing bad actions.

i have at least one part whose whole identity at this moment in time is parroting abusive rhetoric from my parents. they can be cruel and mean and sometimes they go as far as to purposefully trigger us in hopes that we spiral and crash. but i know that this part is 1. a part of me as a whole and 2. a part that was created for a reason.

suppressing a part of myself wont help this part, one that is clearly hurting and still living in trauma times. if i lock this part away im just telling them that what they feel doesnt matter and that i dont care about their attempts to help. my brain couldnt contend with the things my parents said and did to me, so it made a part of me that believed them and told the rest of me the same things. if i believed what my parents said, it didnt hurt as much when they said it.

this part of me lives in trauma time still. they think that this belief is still necessary to keep me safe, as evident by them getting louder when my anxiety is already bad. approaching them with compassion and understanding has helped 1000x more than any attempts i did at suppressing them.

im not saying its easy, and im not saying theyre completely on board with therapy and change. but this part doesnt yell abuse at me anymore. this part isnt as cruel.

I’m trying to not get super into syscourse but people are turning Octocon into a much bigger deal than it actually is. I see discourse about it even on non syscourse related posts. It’s annoying and I have things to say.

So what if it excludes endos? It exists. It helps people. Pro endos and endos need to chill and just let it be. Let people have their spaces. Why is that so hard to accept? You like SP better? Good for you. Let other people have their things. It’s not hurting anybody, if endos feel excluded SP / PK is right there.

Very genuinely, I find it interesting that people find endo spaces more “welcoming” / “safe”, because we feel the opposite. We feel like anti endo spaces are safer to be in as opposed to spaces including endos / pro endos.

Am I missing something? I’m a little confused haha, even as someone with varied pro / anti / neu ideas in this system.

I just saw a thing that implied endos actually have research backing their existence? Does anyone have any resources on hand, or can someone point me in the direction of them? I was under the impression that most if not all sources endos use are not actual proof.

Some people: this place isn't a safe space because it doesn't include me!!!

hey, safe spaces are not meant to include every single person ever. If you are excluded you are not the target of that safe space, and that's okay.

~ Yae , it/they

I'm not saying that all anti-endos are in a high control environment but if you are being pressured by other people to not look at, read, or otherwise interact with someone who isn't a believer anti-endo, you may want to reevaluate whether or not you are being manipulated.

This goes for pro-endos too. I don't like anti-endos but I don't feel as though I can't talk to them or read their posts.

I saw a post where someone was scared that their friends with different syscourse opinions hated them for it, and then another person said for them to cut them out because of their discourse stance.

That kind of made me go "what the fuck", because really?

You don't need to agree with every single thing your friends believe. It's okay to be uncomfortable with those opinions but the world isn't a bubble and you're gonna meet and be friends with people with varying takes and ideas. This is why I hate how polarized the anti / pro sides of endo discourse are; you just see the stance and not the person.

Can I just say something quickly? I often stay out of syscourse for personal reasons but I have a bit to say. As someone out of the DID/OSDD community I can’t really say for that side, but I can try and speak for the endo community, or at least the part that is willing to look at these things and try to change for others sakes

What I do believe is that this is entirely possible. What I don’t is that this is all manipulation if said manipulation is on purpose. Some if not a bunch aren’t trying to mislead anyone, only help. That being said, maybe instead of just suggesting options on a base simple level like that or just trying to give a concrete example encourage them to talk to someone who knows what they’re doing about this, a professional or at least do their own research

We don’t really use the word “Sysmed” as we’re unsure about if it’s good to use or not, but do absolutely condemn “Traumascum”- that being both the word and implication that all systems that formed from trauma are bad, because honestly the last one is really mean and can potentially hurt a lot

Still under the interpretation that if people stay to their own spaces unless it’s a shared one things will work out, but there needs to be a place to talk about this too, discourse like this needs to be shared and commented on by both sides so we can have a great overall community for plurals, trauma formed systems who want their own space and endogenics where nobody gets harassed, gaslit or manipulated. Both sides have been wrong and done bad things before, as that’s just the case with people. There will always be a few bad eggs. But on a platform like this with not great if no moderation, we have to take it upon ourselves to make sure the people willing to change know what they have to and give the info to help them do so

Can’t say I agree with the wording of some of this, but I do agree things need to be addressed, misinformed people should be let known how and be helped with info to change for the better of everyone, and toxic people from both communities need to really do better, chill, and if not be blocked, there’s not much more I know that can be done

I hope this is understood, and I may have gotten some things wrong but this is all in good faith. Someday maybe the communities can work things out, and in the meanwhile, I’ll be trying my best to direct any systems in the endogenic tags to do research themselves to figure it out and keep their minds open to more possibilities than they may be told - 🦋

The Endogenic Manipulation Cycle

I’m going to cross-tag this because I think it is an important thing that some people may need to see, even if I get a fuck ton of hate for it. I’ve been noticing a pattern of manipulation and gaslighting within the endogenic community that I really want to point out. As someone who fell victim to this cycle, this is a super important post to me.

For our purposes, let’s say we have a young DID or OSDD system who is questioning if they have one of these disorders. Let’s say they pose a question in a community that happens to be endo-friendly along the lines of “I think I am a system but I don’t remember my trauma.” The response of this community is usually along the lines of “You don’t need trauma to have a system!!”

That’s where the first red flag lies. This system has been told by implication that they have no trauma because they don’t remember it. This is gaslighting and it is not true. The reason DID and OSDD form is to protect a person from memories of their trauma. It is completely normal to not remember it.

So, our system takes this in, but is still a bit skeptical. However, they notice that they don’t present in an overt way that many systems are portrayed. Their system doesn’t show in the way that is popular. They ask the endo community about this, and the response is “You’re probably a median or [insert origin here] system!!”

DID and OSDD present in many different ways. It’s okay to not present in the way that DID YouTubers or TikTokers present. This disorder is diverse and your brain’s reaction to trauma will be different than someone else’s brain’s response because you are different people with different brains. But the endogenic community doesn’t want our system to believe that. Endogenics want to microlabel the traumatic experience that is being a system.

Our young system does some research and learns that individual members of systems don’t always remember their trauma. They also look at the DID community as a whole and observe the different ways that traumagenic systems can present. Most importantly, they learn that it is scientifically known that the only way to be a system is to have repeated childhood trauma. 

They pose this knowledge to the endo community that they’re now active in and are told to ignore the research they did because it’s not endo-friendly. They’re told that they’re being a gatekeeper, or a bully, or an oppressor. They’re told that they pose an active threat to the endogenic community, who they believe are just a bunch of harmless, vulnerable people.

This causes panic in our system. They don’t want to be a bigot and they certainly don’t want to hurt people. They adopt an attitude of radical inclusivity because they are told it is the morally right thing to do. They become steeped in endogenic rhetoric.

Now let’s say that we, the anti-endogenics, see this cycle in action. We post about having DID. We post to correct the misinformation that endos spread. We post that it is impossible to be a system without trauma. 

Our system sees what we’re saying and starts to panic because endogenics have primed them to believe that anti-endos are evil bigots, and now they have “proof” that it’s true. They are told, once again, that “sysmeds” and “traumascum” are out to get them. They are told that they are endogenic and that being endogenic is valid. They are told- sometimes by implication and sometimes outright- that their trauma didn’t happen. 

Now they have been stolen. A system that was once just trying to learn is now fully immersed in the endogenic community. They have become one of them. Their system communication is lost because of the intense trauma denial and members of their system might be retraumatized because of what’s happening to them, but they are so stuck within the endo community that they can’t recognize it. The cycle repeats. They identify as an endo and start to spread misinformation themself. They have been gaslit and manipulated to a point of no return.

But it’s not a point of no return. That’s why I’m making this post. This might seem dramatic, but it happens to people. It happened to me when I was younger. I’m going to get massively shit on for making this and posting it, but I don’t care. If people see this and it helps them reconsider just a little, then the post has done it’s job. If people see this and they relate because this happened to them, then the post has done its job.

I am not about hatred. I post syscourse because I want to correct misinformation. I want to help people and keep this from happening to them. We can prevent this together, DID community. This isn’t an impossible obstacle to overcome.

That’s fair. Sorry about the wording, I’m not always good with words. Replying to clear that up and sort of share a bit more. Not big ones but perhaps figuring out or at least encouraging people to be more careful with this who can change

I do agree accountability should be taken, and sometimes people just ignore it or worse deny they did anything wrong. That counts for this too with this part of the cycle. Admitting things is important, as well as an open mind

Once again sorry for the wording, could have picked that better. Earlier we weren’t in the best headspace and could have waited a bit, and made the mistake of rushing it somewhat. It may be better next time to save it to drafts till a time we’re more clear headed. I’m really sorry the origin confusion happened, and I hope to help any prevent similar experiences possible

That being said do you have any advice or good resources to recommend should they be needed? We can save them in our notes to recommend to questioning systems if that would help out - 🦋

The Endogenic Manipulation Cycle

I’m going to cross-tag this because I think it is an important thing that some people may need to see, even if I get a fuck ton of hate for it. I’ve been noticing a pattern of manipulation and gaslighting within the endogenic community that I really want to point out. As someone who fell victim to this cycle, this is a super important post to me.

For our purposes, let’s say we have a young DID or OSDD system who is questioning if they have one of these disorders. Let’s say they pose a question in a community that happens to be endo-friendly along the lines of “I think I am a system but I don’t remember my trauma.” The response of this community is usually along the lines of “You don’t need trauma to have a system!!”

That’s where the first red flag lies. This system has been told by implication that they have no trauma because they don’t remember it. This is gaslighting and it is not true. The reason DID and OSDD form is to protect a person from memories of their trauma. It is completely normal to not remember it.

So, our system takes this in, but is still a bit skeptical. However, they notice that they don’t present in an overt way that many systems are portrayed. Their system doesn’t show in the way that is popular. They ask the endo community about this, and the response is “You’re probably a median or [insert origin here] system!!”

DID and OSDD present in many different ways. It’s okay to not present in the way that DID YouTubers or TikTokers present. This disorder is diverse and your brain’s reaction to trauma will be different than someone else’s brain’s response because you are different people with different brains. But the endogenic community doesn’t want our system to believe that. Endogenics want to microlabel the traumatic experience that is being a system.

Our young system does some research and learns that individual members of systems don’t always remember their trauma. They also look at the DID community as a whole and observe the different ways that traumagenic systems can present. Most importantly, they learn that it is scientifically known that the only way to be a system is to have repeated childhood trauma. 

They pose this knowledge to the endo community that they’re now active in and are told to ignore the research they did because it’s not endo-friendly. They’re told that they’re being a gatekeeper, or a bully, or an oppressor. They’re told that they pose an active threat to the endogenic community, who they believe are just a bunch of harmless, vulnerable people.

This causes panic in our system. They don’t want to be a bigot and they certainly don’t want to hurt people. They adopt an attitude of radical inclusivity because they are told it is the morally right thing to do. They become steeped in endogenic rhetoric.

Now let’s say that we, the anti-endogenics, see this cycle in action. We post about having DID. We post to correct the misinformation that endos spread. We post that it is impossible to be a system without trauma. 

Our system sees what we’re saying and starts to panic because endogenics have primed them to believe that anti-endos are evil bigots, and now they have “proof” that it’s true. They are told, once again, that “sysmeds” and “traumascum” are out to get them. They are told that they are endogenic and that being endogenic is valid. They are told- sometimes by implication and sometimes outright- that their trauma didn’t happen. 

Now they have been stolen. A system that was once just trying to learn is now fully immersed in the endogenic community. They have become one of them. Their system communication is lost because of the intense trauma denial and members of their system might be retraumatized because of what’s happening to them, but they are so stuck within the endo community that they can’t recognize it. The cycle repeats. They identify as an endo and start to spread misinformation themself. They have been gaslit and manipulated to a point of no return.

But it’s not a point of no return. That’s why I’m making this post. This might seem dramatic, but it happens to people. It happened to me when I was younger. I’m going to get massively shit on for making this and posting it, but I don’t care. If people see this and it helps them reconsider just a little, then the post has done it’s job. If people see this and they relate because this happened to them, then the post has done its job.

I am not about hatred. I post syscourse because I want to correct misinformation. I want to help people and keep this from happening to them. We can prevent this together, DID community. This isn’t an impossible obstacle to overcome.

This is a good take Mostly™️

My one qualm is I feel like maybe either I or OP don’t grasp the same concept of system accountability

To me this means taking account for when shit hits the fan

With singlets I imagine this to be like not being sober and saying something unintentionally hurtful or doing something and regretting it later after realizing you were just hungry/tired/depressed

With systems it’s “hey I know objectively *I* didn’t do a shitty thing but I know (or may not know but know it happened that) *alter* did and since we share a body it is still *my* responsibility to apologize/try and reconcile for hurting someone”

At least to us, again I could be wrong, but system accountability isn’t like, “CONTROL YOUR ALTERS!” “THAT ALTER SPECIFICALLY HAS TO APOLOGIZE!”

Because yeah like OP said it’s not always that clean cut.

Everything else though, 10/10

TLDR; agree with OP but want to add mental illness isn’t an excuse to be a shitty person/ not try and reconcile for the hurt the body may have caused

Here’s some possibly harsher truths about systems/trauma survivors that people need to think about (like, I’m begging you guys, holy hell)!

System accountability is actually not the most important concern that it’s being made out to be. And, lack of system accountability is not a red flag or indicator of someone being a generally bad person (as parts or as a “whole”). I know this seems to be hard for a lot of people to grasp, but it’s true. A system is a system due to barriers and lack of cohesion between parts.

Not being able to control all your parts and do things such as fully grasp system accountability is much more normal than people here will have you believe. As is it having different meaning to different people.

Seriously, go learn about some DID/OSDD systems away from tumblr. Go spend some time with another really traumatized person in real life. Go read about systems who didn’t learn about themselves until later on in life. Anything that will help you understand how much more complicated it is.

There are people who don’t fully understand being “parts of a whole” and still view themselves as multiple/separate people. This also is not inherently bad, a red flag, a sign of not wanting to get better, etc. This is normal of a covert mental illness that is literally meant to hide things from you.

It’s very unrealistic to expect anyone to know and/or understand enough about their system to truly understand all their parts, why they behave the way they do, and how to handle it. Especially if you are young, newly discovered, have a very large system, have “more severe” trauma, etc.

It is very unrealistic to expect people with brains damaged by childhood trauma to be able to show up to some of the standards people try to enforce here. It is called a mental disability for a reason - your brain is literally disabled and incorrectly developed.

People showing their less palatable symptoms needs to be more accepted. I don’t care if it’s not pretty, or hard to see, it’s the fucking truth of being a trauma survivor. Trauma is not pretty, and neither is what comes out of it. It is ugly, chaotic, harsh, painful, etc. And being able to show and embrace that fact is not only okay, but honestly even healthy.

Sometimes it’s not only about healing and recovery. Sometimes it’s about the bad days, alters with negative thoughts and views, mistakes and flaws and accepting that you went through trauma and it did indeed fuck you up.

Stop trying to make fucking trauma survivors hide themselves and their flaws even in the one safe space they have.

endos when u block them even tho u said endos dni

endos arent real.we just love when theyre like "uR ableist!!1!1!1!1!1" idk... spreading false info on a traumatic disorder just so u can feel special seems kinda abliest to me...

⚠️Possible Trigger Warning: system exclusion mention, possibly syscourse ⚠️

I saw a post that I was vibing with like 'oh, I can see that there are disorders that maybe shouldn't be self diagnosed!' and then the good ol' 'ENDOS DON'T EXIST!1!1!' came out of nowhere and I'm like 'woah, okay.' 💀

The thing that gets me is that I saw this on the ENDOGENIC TAG. I swear to God, browsing that tag is like a grab bag gamble where you either get people who are vibing or people who are foaming at the mouth over a system calling themselves endogenic-

I swear if I see an anti-endo say endogenic systems are claiming a trauma disorder when they're not, I'm going to scream. Like, yes, some endogenic systems do, but that's because they also have trauma?? Nobody is claiming you can have a trauma-based disorder without trauma, they're claiming plurality without a disorder.

I'll always say this:

Every disorder has a non-disordered counterpart. If it doesn't cause distress or affect at least one major area in functioning, it's not a disorder. This includes stuff like DID. Plurality is not a disorder, but DID is.

-Vito

Some people seem to struggle with that fact that you cannot be the arbiter of consciousness.

If a brain can form a single consciousness. It can form multiple. For no reason.

Having a single consciousness is already it forming one for no reason.

- Sky

Some people are so afraid of not being accepted that they, sadly, take it out on others to make themselves look more presentable, more "valid".

They think the world is a zero sum game, that there is only a limited amount of acceptance in the world.

Uplift the community you are part of, don't push it down. We are stronger together. There is no limited amount of acceptance.

genuinely dont understand syscourse at all 🙃

why are we spending time arguing between ourselves instead of collectively putting energy into building a better world for all of us?

i dont get in what way discourse benefits anyone

haven't we learnt from queer discourse that people who hate us will hate us regardless of how palatable we make ourselves?

Seeing hateful people with anti endo DNIs reblog our posts is so funny, like you specifically specified that pro endo people shouldn't interact with you. You don't get to see our funny tumbles, you opted out of that by being hateful.

Our pfp is the plural journey flag. The flag specifically made to support EVERYONE who is plural, regardless of origin or how they work.

We love all y'all plural peeps out there (biased, I know) We're rooting for all of you. Stay safe and stay strong. - Quasar