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Do you think/Feel Rafal or Rhian is a psychopath? Or they just flat out monsters.

No, I do not believe either of them are psychopaths (or completely cold-blooded monsters), even if Rafal did exhibit some psychopathic or ASPD-like traits during Rise. Both brothers have/had displayed consciences at times and seemed at least capable of affective empathy. Whenever I claim a character is "psychotic" or a "psychopath," I am usually using the colloquial meaning, not diagnosing them. Also, I'm not an expert and they are fictional, so I can't really confirm anything about them. Despite all this, there is a chance the Pen robbed Rhian of his humanity, which could mean he became a psychopath or an otherwise remorseless person in Fall.

btw shout out to people with disorders that are stigmatized as dangerous killers who actually have homicidal thoughts and urges. people with DID, ASPD, schizospec disorders and psychosis, ect. you're not perpetuating stereotypes or ableist by existing and having your personal experience and anyone who blames you for that is an asshole. take care.

Welcome to my Ted Talk about AsPD, or Antisocial Personality Disorder, which the internet likes to coin as sociopath 👌🏻 if you don’t like long infodumps about stigmatized mental disorders from someone who is diagnosed, move on.

Quick toxic rundown: People with AsPD are generally characterized as emotionless, violent, manipulative abusers who kill animals and like to make other people their bitches. The biggest pet peeve we have is the emotionless, sadistic and abusive generalization.

Personally, we are highly neurotic, with highs and lows of: depression, frantic drive, self abuse tactics, chronic fear, lapses of rejection, overwhelming over-analyzation, grey area thinking, false goods and false bads, ultimatums, obsessive compulsive behavior, harsh self demands, and irritability.

AsPD is a disorder that is caused primarily (according to current research) by trauma and abuse in childhood; most notably being emotional neglect and absent caregivers that cause a child to have emotional shutdowns and repression episodes in an attempt to self soothe. Primary caregivers who do not bond with their children are also a factor. Children learn how to behave from those around them. If a primary caregiver is emotionally distant and unavailable, children will learn that is normal behavior and that’s how people are. If a primary caregiver does not provide empathy and sympathy during moments of distress and fear, children will learn that aloofness and disregard of others feelings is normal behavior. If a primary caregiver does not keep a child safe, children will learn that they should not prioritize their own safety or the safety of others. You can find my follow up post regarding this here.

Neglected and abused children often act out trying to get attention and help, often acting out in bad ways because they lack the ability to articulate what they’re feeling and what is happening to them. The pipeline for AsPD typically is: Oppositional Defiance Disorder as a child, Conduct Disorder as a teen, AsPD as an adult. There are a lot of warning signs cueing that AsPD is becoming a risk for development, but often kids do not have a support system to help negate it as it’s their support system that is usually a factor in its creation.

Being AsPD is like being an emotional La Croix 70% of the time. If you’re depressed, then it’s like someone in the other room has depression and is telling you about it. The other 30% of the time, if you’re depressed, your brain doesn’t understand how to handle it so it’s an ultimatum between doing something drastic to remove the Trigger or ignoring and dissociating for days on end.

People with AsPD are very good at ignoring things. Honestly it’s problematic as fuck but it’s not hard to ignore major issues when you just, don’t care. It’s not in the terms of being cruel or making ourselves not care, but the fact that finding the emotional willpower is so far out of our feasible reach we don’t do it. This causes us to piss people off because we don’t have the capacity to care as much as they want us to, even if we can and do to an extent.

Think of it this way: empathy/sympathy is a deep tub of water that everyone has. They can easily fill their measuring cup for the needed amount of empathy without any issues and it’s easy for them. People with AsPD don’t have a tub of water. We have shallow skillet. When we try to dip our cup to fill it, we can’t, it always comes up short and it is difficult to get any water in it as there is no room for the cup to dive. Our ability to care is limited because we do not have the same emotional resources everyone else does.

❌ False Positives & False Negatives ❌

I operate on what I’ve learned are called false positives and false negatives. These are things that are trained into the brain from an early age based off of childhood trauma and other factors. False positives are a distorted version of why we do something to help ourself and for our own good, meanwhile a false negative is something we do because it’s a threat, or based out of fear.

❌ Some of my false positives:

- It is good to be afraid of nothing

- It is good to adapt to someone’s personality if they are stronger than you

- It is good to isolate yourself

- It is good to be a silver tongue because you can get into any place you want

- It is good to become a social chameleon and shape yourself to whatever those around you need/want most, because then you have no chance of being abandoned

❌ Some of my false negatives, which can explain the false positives as well as core beliefs:

- it is bad to be afraid, if I am afraid then I am vulnerable and it can be used against me

- It is bad to be emotional or show concern for others emotions because they do not care for mine

- It is bad to be able to be exploited, because I believe it is everywhere

- It is bad to allow myself to be bored, because boredom begets bad thoughts and no one can or wants to help me when I spiral

- It is bad to not shape yourself to the social circle, because people quickly grow tired of those who do not match them perfectly and being discarded means I failed

My core beliefs can be viewed as the root for the false positives and negatives, because they are based on the core of trauma, abuse and neglect. They come from patterns and instances that make someone with AsPD become the opposite of what they experienced:

- eat or be eaten

- If I don’t show that my bite is worse than my bark, I will be taken advantage of and I must remain on top because the ones on top are safe

- I must look out for myself because nobody will do it for me

- It doesn’t matter what happens to me, therefore it doesn’t matter what people think of me

- If I cannot do something well, then I should not do it at all

- If you are dependent on others for emotional and mental well being, you are weak, therefore I must isolate myself to avoid becoming codependent and a burden and useless

- If I can handle the stress of a situation better than everyone else, therefore I will keep the problem (financial, emotional, mental, etc) to myself to reduce chances of being abandoned due to failure of perfection

People with AsPD are hard to get along with. We often:

- are always anticipating a fight

- lack respect for authority

- ignore social structures to an extent

- tendency to lie if it’ll lessen punishment or if we feel the lie is more acceptable than our actions

- limit social support because it’s wrong to be dependent on others

- have an inflated view of our own importance — which turns into a self ridicule for believing someome like me could be found important to others —

- can be rude and inconsiderate of others feelings somewhat unintentionally

- are unable to read the correct social cues in relation to empathy towards people and animals

- am constantly confused by others dependence upon empathy and inability to make desicions from logic based standpoints

We can’t speak for everyone who has AsPD, nor are we saying that no one with AsPD is capable of being a murderer/abuser etc. but we are saying that y’all need to stop automatically classifying someone as a certain “type” as soon as you know about their disorder.

One last thing I do want to point out is that it is not uncommon for people with AsPD to derive some sort of enjoyment in causing harm, doing something illegal, hurting someone or animals, etc. This entirely stems from lack of environmental control as a child. Being able to control what happens to others or being able to control the things you say or do that hurts someone else is a hefty high to get addicted to; it soothes the underlying itch of not being able to control your own trauma and abuse, so in turn you push these behaviors onto others and enjoy it because it gives you a sense of power and control. Some people with AsPD do genuinely love hurting others, and some enjoy hurting others when they believe it’s deserved or their ire has been stoked. Some enjoy causing pain to those they think deserve it, and others don’t care who they hurt as long as they feel like they’re in control of the situation.

Hope this have some insight into AsPD 🤙🏻 if y’all have any questions, shoot.

If you’re a stereotypically “good” person because of being abused then that’s great

If you’re a stereotypically “bad” person because of being abused then that’s great

Your response to trauma is valid, your response to abuse is valid and you don’t owe it to anyone to be inspirational.

Well I took this and yeah....

https://www.idrlabs.com/personality-style/test.php

Random (pop culture) psychology headcanon #3

Celestia Ludenberg(from Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc) has Antisocial personality disorder

I do a lot of research into personality and lately I’ve been wondering what the most diagnosed and under diagnosed personality disorder is. Some say the most diagnosed is either BPD or OCPD (OCPD is the most diagnosed in the USA apparently).

I’d like to know others opinion on this.

I'm diagnosed aspd/ non npd, autistic, ptsd, c-ptsd with extreme dissociation, dissociative amnesia and dissociative fugue, anxiety disorder, ocd ( chaotic) , mdd, depression inducuced agoraphobia.

I was dx a plethora of other things along the way, but everything else has been taken off the table the last year/ year and a half.

I'm open about everything except my aspd. Few people know about that because of the stigmatization and so many people just clumping it with npd? They are different disorders.

Like most cluster b disorders, they are trauma and environmentally induced. YOU CAN GET TREATMENT FOR THE SYMPTOMS.

- What it's like for me? I'm very emotionally flat. Or I definitely was a lot more before treatment. I didn't understand empathy, compassionate. I had to Google that one. It's very rare that I feel bad or remorseful for anything I do. I don't see the point. I made the choice to do it. It's very hard for me to connect to the emotions of other people. I mostly just do not care, though I've learned that is inappropriate. It's rare that I find interest in friendships, companionship, a partner. I do get bored easily. Becoming I don't understand emotions, I find life to be quite meaningless. Hence the MDD. I do have horrible intrusive thoughts, but again, I'm in treatment. I'm currently going through hormonally treatment to treat the dangerous symptoms that accompany aspd. With all cluster b, it's a reason but it is not an excuse. You have to put in major major work to undo what caused it to begin with.

If you have other questions feel free.

A genuine question for people with ASPD or/and NPD

People with ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) or/and NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), I am genuinely curious about what you believe is the core part of aspd and npd, and how you see the world. How does it feel to have these disorders? How do people treat you? How do you treat people? How can one understand how it must be like for you?

These disorders are VERY stigmatised. Even actual medical journals and sites perpetuate this stigmatisation, and there's this whole thing of "narcissistic abuse" or that all people with antisocial personality disorder are serial killers. I simply refuse to believe this, it's not nuanced enough, and I genuinely seek to understand. And maybe other people may find this thread of posts and also understand.

So people with npd/aspd, add on, explain anything you wish people knew about your disorder.

Coming from a fellow person with a highly stigmatised disorder (schizophrenia) who wishes to understand.

This is so true! I love abnormal psychology because it dives into disorders that are not commonly talked about like schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, dissociative identity disorder, etc. but besides that class, the disorders were never talked about in other classes. So I take the time to read about them. I don’t study psychology for the heck of it. I am truly interested in these mental disorders and had no idea that the lack of courses that specialize in them has led to a lack of actual specialists that can really help people.

one of craziest things about the mental health industry is that while getting their education, counselors and psychiatrists spend about two minutes learning about the "rarer" psychiatric conditions, such as schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder. the justification behind not studying it is because so few people experience these conditions, and that mental health professionals who want to treat them have to specialize in them.

this is a problem because whether we like to believe it or not, mental health professionals are looking to make money, and there's not a lot of money in targeting a specific part of the population. additionally, people in rural or even a number of urban areas do not have access to specialist who need it. it's just like with any rare health diagnosis, unless you live in a a super densely populated area with a lot of resources, you're not going to get the help you need.

i can confirm this as someone who knows many mental health professionals, and they've been transparent for their lack of education (one even told me that they spent literally an hour in school learning about DID). i've never had the opportunity to meet with someone who specializes in my diagnosis (schizophrenia) due to where i live. and even if i did, i wouldn't have the money. specialists often do not cater to even the most basic insurance like medicaid or medicare, and the reality is that most people with rare mental diagnoses do not have the funds to pursue the help they need.

the point of this post is to bring awareness to some of the struggles that people with rarer psychiatric diagnoses face. we are quite frankly fucked over by the system, and moreover capitalism. please keep this in mind before judging us for "not seeking help" or telling us to "get therapy." we already have so much going against us, and face so much stigma.

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(the colors are picked from @npdsafe’s aspd flag!)

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And don't forget DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) "Normal" people won't like you if your disorder and or disability doesn't have an aesthetic they can use for their savior complex or if they can't coddle you. People with these disorders especially ones who are antisocial commonly known as (sociapaths/psychopaths, a term that should be used if the individual is okay with that description of themselves) are still demonized and thought as needing "fixing". Every person deserves to be supported in a way which bests suits their situation and that shouldn't be a polarizing stance.

A genuine question for people with ASPD or/and NPD

People with ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) or/and NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), I am genuinely curious about what you believe is the core part of aspd and npd, and how you see the world. How does it feel to have these disorders? How do people treat you? How do you treat people? How can one understand how it must be like for you?

These disorders are VERY stigmatised. Even actual medical journals and sites perpetuate this stigmatisation, and there's this whole thing of "narcissistic abuse" or that all people with antisocial personality disorder are serial killers. I simply refuse to believe this, it's not nuanced enough, and I genuinely seek to understand. And maybe other people may find this thread of posts and also understand.

So people with npd/aspd, add on, explain anything you wish people knew about your disorder.

Coming from a fellow person with a highly stigmatised disorder (schizophrenia) who wishes to understand.

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I get the whole “lacking empathy doesn’t make you a bad person as long as you show compassion to others” thing, but I don’t completely agree.

You don’t need to show compassion to others all the time in order to be a good person. I understand how hard it is for someone who lacks empathy to care about someone enough to be compassionate towards them, especially when you just don’t give a fuck.

I think people have this idea that you need to be kind and friendly and care about others all the time. Thats not something some people, especially with ASPD, can achieve all the time.

Sometimes the most you can do is just stop yourself from being argumentative asshole and thats fine. Whatever your coping mechanisms are to limit the damage is fine. You don’t need to extend compassion to people if you can’t. You’re not a bad person for being unable to do so.